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SPICE..! 5 Hospitalised, 2 Seriously Ill in Lancaster

That adds a whole new level of irresponsibility / douchebaggery to the bellends manufacturing this crap...:\

wikipedia said:
Other non-cannabinoid ingredients have also been found in synthetic cannabis blends around the world, but they do not produce classical cannabis intoxication effects. This includes substituted cathinone derived stimulant drugs such as 4-methylbuphedrone and 4-methyl-alpha-PPP, and psychedelic tryptamine derivatives such as 4-HO-DET.[21][22] In 2013 a designer opioid drug AH-7921 was detected in smoking blends in Japan, along with several novel cannabinoids and a cathinone analogue.[23]
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Another reason to stay the fuck away from branded products!
 
I doubt it - the report was about 18 months ago b4 they banned the AH but it makes you wonder. One of the unique properties of herbal cannabis among street drugs is that its almost impossible to adulterate - i was lucky enough to have never come across that 'sand-weed' that was rife across wales and the midlands a few years ago so i stand by my assumption 8)
 
Don't know if trichomes were the intended outcome so much as just adding weight (the pricks).

You'd hear it crunch in your teeth after a toke. The test you had to do was lick your finger/smear it on a bud/lick finger and start chewing to check for loud crunching glass sounds...

Then you'd still smoke it anyway seeing as it was all you had.
 
Ceres said:
whereas smoking weed is perfectly safe for your lungs and so on :sus:
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The jury is still out on whether or not low & moderate use of cannabis is or is not good for the respiratory health. Those studies that show cannabis to be bad for health rarely if ever differentiate between a cannabis smoker & a cannabis smoker who mixes herb with tobacco. So, if you look at this here -

"A number of animal studies have revealed respiratory tract changes and diseases assoicated with marijuana smoking, but others have not. Extensive damage to the smaller airways, which are the major site of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), and acute and chronic pneumonia have been observed in various species exposed to different doses of marijuana smoke. In contrast, rats exposed to increasing doses of marijuana smoke for one year did not show any signs of COPD, whereas rats exposed to tobacco did."
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from here - http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000132

you'll find my personal take on the matter.

I've had asthma all my life. My parents were heavy tobacco smokers who eventually each died from different tobacco related illness, but not cancer. Once I moved out of home in my teens, my asthma began to improve. I used to club alot, once tobacco was banned in clubs, I continued to improve further. Through-out this time I have been smoking cannabis in low to moderate amounts, daily. I've been smoking cannabis daily since the 80's & my lungs are better now than they were a decade ago.

This is not some weird stoner delusion. I've had numerous opportunities to discuss this with doctors, even respiratory specialists & once they have ascertained that I do not & have never smoked tobacco, they are fine about me smoking controlled amounts of cannabis.

So, just for the record here, although I am well aware of the danger of smoking tobacco & am often reminded of it if the subject of cannabis comes up, I have never been warned, as an asthmatic, to stop smoking cannabis, by a doctor. I trust that is 100% clear!
 
Si Dread said:
If herb were legal it would crash in price, I'd expect to be a quarter of it's illegal cost. If it were legal an awful lot more people would grow it & the market would flood, probably reducing costs further. If one were to smoke imported outdoor sensi from Jamaica or Africa, the costs would drop still further.
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If the Dutch model is anything to go by, prices would be much the same as when illegal, or a little higher, as somebody (the government/taxman) would be replacing the cuts taken by middlemen in the illegal market with their own.
 
NSFW:
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Oregon @ £130 / oz.

nomnomnom...
 
jude101 said:
If the Dutch model is anything to go by, prices would be much the same as when illegal, or a little higher, as somebody (the government/taxman) would be replacing the cuts taken by middlemen in the illegal market with their own.
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Cannabis is illegal in the Netherlands, but it is tolerated, which means it can be sold in coffeeshops and that possession (of small qty) is not punished, but paradoxically it is still very much illegal to sell large amounts at once (for example to a coffeeshop) or to actually grow weed (400+ grow ops busted in Amsterdam alone in 2014). Many politicians are lobbying for changing it into a fully legal model where the cannabis is taxed and regulated, as in Colorado, but still the "tolerated/illegal" model seems to stick :/
 
steewith2ees said:
I doubt it - the report was about 18 months ago b4 they banned the AH but it makes you wonder. One of the unique properties of herbal cannabis among street drugs is that its almost impossible to adulterate - i was lucky enough to have never come across that 'sand-weed' that was rife across wales and the midlands a few years ago so i stand by my assumption 8)
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Oh trust me you probably did smoke a fair bit of grit, it went on for years they just got stealthy as fuck with it 90 percent of stoners wouldn't even realize. The proper visible grit didn't last too long. But everyone in my town had sprayed shit most of them just didn't want to believe it, utter denial. even around 2009 - 2012 it was still about, when it started it in 2006.

Its not just a UK problem, its a world wide problem you can even end up with sprayed shite in Canada.
 
BecomingJulie said:
Better than an outright ban on artificial cannabinoids would be a requirement for them to be properly labelled as to compositon and strength.

They would of course lose their "research compound" status anyway, once they were recognised as recreational drugs.
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This makes sense. Banning will never stop people from taking them but labelling them in composition n strength is a way of possibly reducing harm. People are going to go for cheap alternatives especially as we're under Cameron again.

Evey

Evey
 
During my particular role with my current employer, I am finding these synthetics carry a fast increase in tolerance and an even greater addiction rate, (particularly among young people aging from 14 years +) they swap from weed to legals to avoid getting arrested but offend to fund their habits as they become anxious of the withdrawals. Most common in my area are 5f pb and the AK 47 blends. Seriously messing these young people up. Many hospitalisations, fits, paranoia, vomiting blood, and horrific cramps and sweats. They continue to use to feel "normal" and to function on a daily basis. A 1g blend can be purchased for £2.50 from street dealers, so when weed is £10 a gram you can see the temptation. Scary!!
 
tMost of the cost of weed is not getting caught.

You can grow a plant from a cutting to ready-to-harvest in as little as 6 weeks, for some strains. Each plant needs 75 watts of sodium light (LEDs will make this nearer 25 watts, when the technology matures) on a 12:12 cycle, which for four plants under a 300W light over one week is 0.3 kW * 12 hours on per day * 7 days = 25.2 kWh * 13.87p per kWh (as displayed on my electricity meter) = £3.50. Best case, you're looking at a yield of 40 grams directly-smokable product per plant in 8 weeks; so that's 160 g for £28, or 17.5p a gram in juice.

If I lived somewhere rural where the neighbours were unlikely to complain too much about the noise of an engine running all the time, I'd build myself a combined heating and power installation that would burn waste cooking oil, and use the electricity I was generating (cheaper than free; used cooking oil is a pollutant and people will pay good money to get rid of it) to grow plants. It would be a sort of conveyor belt system, where you put in fresh cuttings one end and mature plants came out the other end, ready for harvesting.
 
Dark Side said:
Oh trust me you probably did smoke a fair bit of grit, it went on for years they just got stealthy as fuck with it 90 percent of stoners wouldn't even realize. The proper visible grit didn't last too long. But everyone in my town had sprayed shit most of them just didn't want to believe it, utter denial. even around 2009 - 2012 it was still about, when it started it in 2006.

Its not just a UK problem, its a world wide problem you can even end up with sprayed shite in Canada.
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trust, i didnt, all the weed i smoke comes from local grows with a bona fide chain of custody from plant to pipe. From what i can gather the contaminants were added to a welsh grow that for various reasons, didnt get into the market. The glass / sand / grit was added to the remainder of the weed to make up for the shortfall in weight / money / both. I made a small fortune over that period as all my aquaintances from shrewsbury and the border regions would head into the west midlands on a friday afternoon for some 'real' bud.
 
Dark Side said:
it went on for years they just got stealthy as fuck with it 90 percent of stoners wouldn't even realize. The proper visible grit didn't last too long. But everyone in my town had sprayed shit most of them just didn't want to believe it, utter denial. even around 2009 - 2012 it was still about, when it started it in 2006.

Its not just a UK problem, its a world wide problem you can even end up with sprayed shite in Canada.
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This is correct. Grit weed even found its way into the Netherlands.

steewith2ees said:
From what i can gather the contaminants were added to a welsh grow that for various reasons, didnt get into the market. The glass / sand / grit was added to the remainder of the weed to make up for the shortfall in weight / money / both.
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This is less than 1% of the story if at all true. Grit weed was a major tactic for years, not just from 'one Welsh grow'.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
This is correct. Grit weed even found its way into the Netherlands.



This is less than 1% of the story if at all true. Grit weed was a major tactic for years, not just from 'one Welsh grow'.
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Call me the luckiest smoker on the planet then, never came across it in holland, never came across it at home. I mention the welsh explanation as it seemed to make sense as the 'grit' became the only weed available in that locale for about 18 months.
 
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