RCs 4-FA and Methiopropamine. The most underrated RC stimulants.

[rc_benzo]

I was reading people's experiences on Bluelight of 4-fluoro-amphetamine and Methiopropamine, and ALL opinions were mixed, some said that MPA is way too strong and has great euphoria, while others claimed that it had "no effect on them". A lot of people also claim that 4-FA is a weak stimulant.

I will try to break down all of this bullshit with some facts.

First of all, 4-FA is a very potent Norepinephrine-Dopamine releasing agent. In fact, it's x2.5 more potent than d-amphetamine, which makes it x5 more potent than racemic street amphetamine. It's also less selective for Norepinephrine than amphetamine, which makes it smoother and reduces side effects. The half-life is not confirmed but is around 8-10h.

Methiopropamine, is also a Norepinephrine-Dopamine releasing agent, AND it's also a bit more (30 % more potent) than amphetamine itself. Of course, when it comes to things like opioids "more potent doesn't mean better", but when we're talking about stimulants, more potent DOES mean a better high.
Methiopropamine is also rumored to have a very long half life, around 30hours. It also has extremely high selectivity for Norepinephrine, which makes the experience pretty rough.

Honestly, if you tried either of these RC stimulants and you think that "nah, good old speed is better", then you got fake shit from some unknown Chinese vendor.

The only stimulant that is better than these RCs is Methamphetamine, and this is ALSO a fact.

Source: The selectivity table on this wiki page: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_releasing_agent
MPA info: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methiopropamine

I have tried Methipropamine yesterday, and I haven't slept this night at all, and I can still feel stimulation and energy although the euphoria has completely faded away. The initial high lasted for about 6-hours, but like I said, the norepinephrine flooding my system ruined a lot of things. It's like a more potent, rough version of Amphetamine.

 

[musicheals]

I completely agree. MPA is the shiznit

 

[rc_benzo]

also i thought 4-fa releases mostly serotonine?

Nope, it's even less selective for serotonin than methamphetamine. The people that have irregular experiences with it got some shitty RC like MDAI or something of that origin. It is a strong stimulant, only affects norepinephrine and dopamine.

 

[Drum]

A warning to fellow forum members regarding 4FA

**IT HAS A VERY LONG HALF LIFE*****

I dosed it like a cathoine, and re-dosed multiple times like a cathoine without realizing its half life. Also on other occasions I felt that 4-FA was very chemically 'strong' and I felt almost poisoned.

Small dosages and only once or twice is my advice.

 

[nasir~]

Eventhough some of the statements are quite tendentious or even downright inaccurate, I can attest that the OP has indeed a point.

The 'best' straight RC stimulant I've tried so far is 2-FMA, which feels like it's somewhere between dexamph. and dexmethamph. but a lot smoother and very long lasting. Dosing this compound too often and /or in high doses feels quite toxic. possibly because of accumulating metabolites. When taken 1-3 times a week in doses not exceeding 40-60mg/day it felt non-toxic and is a great functional stimulant.- for me

Regarding 4-FA: It's a nice substance, but most definitely has significant 5-HT releasing traits.- which makes this compound somewhat of an empathogen.

MPA: Used this one just a couple of times. While I don't agree on the potency the OP is claiming, I agree that this is indeed a useful stimulant reminiscent of racemic amphetamine. I'd say it's roughly equipotent to d,l-amphetamine, maybe somewhat weaker by weight and -yes- indeed more selective for NA.

 

[DrGreenthumb]

You should read your wiki link for methiopropamine...

It is approximately one third as potent as dextroamphetamine as a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor and one fifth as much as a dopamine reuptake inhibitor.

In other words it sucks & if you think it's better than good old speed then your speed dealer is ripping you off.

 

[rc_benzo]

You should read your wiki link for methiopropamine...



In other words it sucks & if you think it's better than good old speed then your speed dealer is ripping you off.

Oh I see, I though it was 1/3 more potent, but it's actually 1/3 of the potency of dexamph and only 1/5 of the potency as a DA releasing agent. I read it wrong, apologies. I took 200mg, because I thought it had low bio-availability, but it actually has low potency.

I'm not saying that it was a better experience than with Amphetamine, but with the dose I took, it felt like a more rough (Norepinephrine intensity was higher), stronger and longer lasting version of Amphetamine, but on a mg to mg basis, amphetamine is indeed stronger.

 

[Ozle]

You should read your wiki link for methiopropamine...



In other words it sucks & if you think it's better than good old speed then your speed dealer is ripping you off.

That's 90% of speed dealers out there. Assuming you're even getting amphetamine in the first place; most people will sell you any old shit and call it speed.

 

[Grinders Kiefers]

On what basis is Methiopropamine underrated? It has one of the biggest threads in the Other Drugs section and seems to have amassed quite a few glowing reports despite its relatively short history of use. That, and your tendency to espouse "facts" which you didn't properly research leads me to believe otherwise. What is the point of this thread anyway? It just seems like, "my drug is better than your drug and if you think otherwise you're wrong".