Weird AL-LAD trip, almost make me psychotic. Answers needed

[Kishka]

Hi everyone,

Yesterday I had a really weird AL-LAD trip and I don't know if it's common for AL-LAD to do that kind of reaction.

I wonder why:

- AL-LAD took 2 hours to kick.
- Only had the first visuals at T+ 04:00
- 3 hours only of plateau phase with very slight visuals.
- Scary comedown (paranoia and couldn't think straight and my short term memory was screwed), feel agitated, body exhausted and can't sleep till T+ 13:00.

Is my AL-LAD wrong or badly synth?

My first time with AL-LAD was nicer, only took 30 min to kick, moderate visuals and slight to no comedown.

All of this with a 150µg dose and a 2 week break from psychedelics.

What's wrong? It was pretty scary especially at the end... I feel like psychotic or going insane during the comedown I had to drink scotch and vodka to sleep..

 

[Goddess Mode]

I cannot speak for AL-LAD personally, but in my experience and observations a randomly more psychotic trip is not entirely uncommon on LSD. It seems to become more of a possibility the more you trip in general, I've seen a lot of people be completely in control and euphoric on LSD trips of 1500+ mcg only to go completely delirious and agitated to the point of screaming or thrashing around in thorn bushes on around 500 mcg at most. I actually have noticed that most people become more sensitive to psychedelics over time anyway if they use them enough, but LSD is the only one I've seen have this severe of a change.

For me, it happened once with seven hits of LSD. That was a high enough dose that of course it still kicked in quickly and peaked pretty hard, so I can't speak to your altered onset and duration and everything, but the other things you mentioned match up quite well. I was getting lots of delirious and dissociative visuals like imagination overtaking reality but it was all very dark and grainy rather than bursting with color and shapes like normal. My memory was so inhibited that the first hour or two is just a blur, and the rest only comes back in short patches of confusion. I've taken up to fourteen hits from this same batch and been amazingly clearheaded, but this time I never stopped rambling nonsense to no one. Normally LSD also makes me feel highly euphoric and sexual and this time I had a crazy headache and weakness and I kept seeing myself as these demented caricatures or stereotypes. It was quite bizarre.... The next time I took some it was the exact same dose but combined with 4-HO-DET and it was back to normal, and the combination was beautiful.

Maybe you just need to take a breather and evaluate your set and setting in retrospect and give it another shot when you're ready. I know people who have stopped tripping after getting these kinds of experiences too much but I personally think that they just represent something new within yourself to overcome.... I may be wrong in this case though, I just thought it was worth mentioning. Hopefully someone who knows more about AL-LAD itself can say more!

 

[CrypticArc]

To me that sounds a bit more like a synthetic phenethylamine. Get it tested if you can. There's no reason the onset should be so drastically different from your first experience.

 

[Kishka]

It's the same batch, I can guarantee 100% it's AL-LAD.

Mine are the same as those one:

 

[Subtilitas]

I've gone into a full psychotic break twice after i took AL-LAD.
I am not sure if it's batch related, but i had the same blotters as you and i bought them from a well known vendor.

The first time i took 300 micrograms together with my brother and a tripsitter.
It was really overwhelming for me and after T+3 or something i went into a catatonic phase.
I didn't really react on anything and i basicly sat on the couch for the rest of the trip.
During the trip I started hearing voices and ambulances, which freaked me out.
After i started hearing voices i can barely remember the rest of the trip, exept for some moments of clarity.
Some really intense stuff happend, like i thought that i died and was to float in space for eternity.

The second time i did 225 micrograms of the same batch on my own and that trip went almost exactly as the same one, but as i did not have a tripsitter i paniced completely and ran out on the street.
Luckily some neighbors called an ambulance, which might have prevented me from being run over by a car.
during the part where i was blacked out i had no control over my actions and i was not aware of my surroundings.
In the hospital they said that it was a psychotic break and that i could go home the next day.

I don't know if this is similar to your experience, but i would be interested to hear some more details about your trip!
I am still not sure what caused this reaction, maybe it was a bad batch or maybe i just became overwhelmed.
hope this helped getting you some answers!

 

[veodo]

I think 2 week break from psychedelics is not enough. Chek your Set.

 

[Si Dread]

To me that sounds a bit more like a synthetic phenethylamine. .

yeah me too, sounded like a mild but obviously unexpected & unpleasant DOC trip. Kishka, have you tried DOC?

Perhaps you might perform an Ehrilich test on the tabs that produced a wierd effect..? Unless someone very clever is involved, I doubt it will be difficult to tell with Ehrlich if something active other than Al-Lad is present.

 

[Kishka]

No It's AL-LAD 100% positive from my source.

 

[Si Dread]

... well then, if I had that experience, & I was 100% positive that it was genuine Al-Lad, I would just assume that my head was not as straight as I thought it was before the trip, & assume that the onset delay was something to do with diet, other medication or some other unknown cause.

Psychedelics are not predictable, that much you can predict!

 

[FlawedByDesign]

This one is so unpredictable. Yesterday I dropped 600mics(my doses are high because I take 5mgs of diclazepam twcie a day) and it destroyed me in a good way while the last time I dropped 600ugs I took 60mgs of 4-ho-met and didn't trip half as hard.it looks like I have the same tabs as you and I shppose hotspots are possible but I doubt it.

 

[Boupstarnm]

Maybe you traveled to another realm and you couldn't handle what you saw. It happens a lot. Time will feel like it slows to a crawl, worlds/beings will reveal themselves but if you don't believe it or if the truth is too uncomfortable you will not recall it. All you'll be left with is the paranoia and shock of having your socks knocked off. It's a very unnerving thing.

I've had out of body experiences on AL-LAD. They're pretty intense, even at 300-450mcg.

 

[atara]

My first time with AL-LAD was nicer, only took 30 min to kick, moderate visuals and slight to no comedown.

Same batch both times? People, pay attention. It doesn't matter if it is DOC; DOC shouldn't do this either.

I had to drink scotch and vodka to sleep..

Wasn't a bad idea. Alcohol sleep is still better than no sleep.