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Don Luigi said:
That does sound terrifying. I know what you mean when you say how clear it was. Auditory hallucinations, including voices, are the norm for me during stim psychosis but the voices were always in a different room...
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To be clear, I've had those kinda "voices" for years and, whilst acutely disconcerting, they are not what I am talking about at all. This was voices inside my head. They blocked out my own thoughts and internal monologue completely. This is what the big difference was. Whilst "voices" in the bogstandard stim psychosis sense are freaky and can get a person into some bad places this was of an entirely different order. Until you've had your ability to think completely obliterated by "voices" that "know" what you are saying before you can even try to think of - and response and actively prevent you from thinking ful stop - you really cannot know just how debilitating and downright terrifying it is. I'd never understood how or why anybody would ever feel they had to go along with whatever voices were telling them until I experienced it and discovered there really is no alternative. Anything to make it end. It's the ultimate form of rape in my opinion. Not even your own mind is your own private space anymore. You really don't want to find out for yourself I can promise you :|
 
Ah, I see the difference now. Your internal monologue being replaced by an internal dialogue, out of your control, sounds rather more debilitating. I've never experienced anything like that, thankfully!

I just did a search on 5f-AKB48 and there seems to be quite a few people reporting similar effects, usually when overdoing it. I'll maybe give it a miss - as I say, the only noid I got pleasant effects from was JWH018. I flushed the AM-2201 and UR-144 so there's nothing really telling me that I'll enjoy this anymore. I also realise that I no longer possess scales accurate enough to measure the doses anyway.
 
yikes shambles that does sound horrifying.

a similar thing happened to me when I for some reason thought vaping some jwh-018 would 'calm me down' when I was properly psychotic from being on an extend MDPV binge. It turned out to be the worst thing I could have possibly done, made the auditory and visual hallucinations worse, more intense, and more frightening.

I think coz these noids are in powder form they are just far too easy to overdo even in a single dose, which is why I think using them in an ecig is the only way to deliver a controlled amount. Even then, it can creep up on you, so you might puff away for 5 mins when really you only needed a couple of inhales, and end up freaking out anyway.

synthetic cannabinoids + stimulants + dissociatives really is a recipe for ending up detained in a psychiatric ward.
 
That sounds truly horrific, Shambles.

The only cannabinoids that I've ever enjoyed were the Spice series back when the whole thing first started. Spice Diamond I enjoyed even more than weed as it was absolutely fantastic for music appreciation (from the perspective of someone who's never tried MDMA/psychedelics, etc.). I'd put on some music, lay down, close my eyes and let the journey begin.
 
Ceres said:
I think coz these noids are in powder form they are just far too easy to overdo even in a single dose, which is why I think using them in an ecig is the only way to deliver a controlled amount. Even then, it can creep up on you, so you might puff away for 5 mins when really you only needed a couple of inhales, and end up freaking out anyway.

synthetic cannabinoids + stimulants + dissociatives really is a recipe for ending up detained in a psychiatric ward.
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That's it, I think.

Similar freakouts would probably happen with very heavy use of hash oil or other strong (natural) cannabis concentrates. These concentrates cost at least 3 or 4x as much as synthetics though, and are obviously harder to get your hands on.


But yeah, these newer cannabinoids are, like most other RCs nowadays, scrapings of the bottom of the barrel.

At least JWH-018 had SOME clinical research data available on it, but these newer 5F-CHIMCHURRI creations with complex effects are just totally unknown and untested, and these are not simple stimulants where much about the psychoactive activity can be sketched by structure-activity research, these cannabinoids are pharmacologically far more multifacetted and unpredictable.

FFS, Shambles good to hear you are over that now, that does sound disturbing and must've taken some effort to process, another good show of resilience man. I only know those crystal-clear voices from the last days of a speed & ketamine binge, and had it on MXE too but only after overdoing it, 0.2g doses every couple of hours for days on end. Indeed it was disturbing how these voices seem autonomous, and even though I distinctly remember thinking that they didn't sound real (acoustically) they still FELT completely real and got my undivided attention.
 
Yeah jesus Shambles 8(

Well I will still smoke weed occasionally but I don't like it THAT much. I have had a panic attack just from weed when i was 18 in front of my mum and dad... also from 5f-akb-48 a couple times when i first started vaping it/using it. Now I just take valium or a 2mg diclazepam pill before I smoke.

Some might say it's simpler to stop smoking :|

In any case I'm off the noids for good BUT during that period I was taking 8mg diclaz a day.... I'm down to 4mg now and have been for a week or so. I don't really know how to taper effectively so I'm just guessing and if i feel too shit to take it, I'll take some more and assume I tapered too fast.

Cutting it in half was a bit quick maybe (8mg to 4mg) as I was more anxious than normal for days, but I put up with it. I intend to get down to 2mg a day soon... then come off them and only use if I'm with mates smoking actual weed or hash.
 
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Shambles said:
I was very much of this opinion and was greatly enamoured of the stuff initially. So I started using it regularly which resulted in the first ever incident of me "hearing voices". Since that first incident I've had intermittent issues regarding "voices" when using synthetic cannabinoids (a complete no-no for me now,) strong weed (to a greatly lesser extent than synth noids but still enough of a concern for me to need to be very cautious with the stuff,) strong stimulants (I'd had prior issues regarding acute paranoia and stim psychosis with these too, of course, but greatly exacerbated since that first "voices" incident with 5f-AKB-48,) and also some of the shonkier dissociatives (MXP specifically).

For me, synth noids are cheap, efffective and honestly perfectly pleasant... right up until they suddenly weren't and nothing has been the same since. I honestly think synth noids - especially the more potent ones - present waaaaaaaaaaay too big a risk for the initial rewards. If I'd stuck to occasional use of weed - even highly potent strains - I honestly don't think I'd've gotten into the states I did - states including being essentially sectioned. I went willingly but in a state of extreme fear and paranoia whilst in full-blown psychotic state... truth be told I was found running up and down the high street naked and banging on church doors screaming and grovelling to supernatural entities I do not believe in but were so deeply entrenched in my head I had no choice but to believe in them at the time. Noids were not the only substance involved but they were the one that initially triggered incidents of hearing voices and much like Pandora's Box... :\
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yeah ive found pretty much all the noids very conducive to destabalising the mind. I wasnt hearing voices but would get uncontrolllable racing thoughts, "wild horses" an old friend called them, 99% of the thoughts were irrational and paranoid. These noids do not often get positve user experience reports. The only thing i found that i could take them with, without experiencing any of the negative worrying effects, and all the good ones, including enhancing musical enjoyment even more, seeming to add a higher level of clarity to my hearing and introducing a mini psychedelic element was GBL. Must be cos GBL has a mechanism that somehow wipes out all anxities.
 
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I've given them up.

Greeting EADD, I'm trying to drown out the noise of hardwood flooring being bashed in the loft :\ ffs, that man's noisy.

I refuse to go back up there until a proper step ladder is in place.

In other news, I'm being naughty drinking red wine :o smoking and snorting white powders.....well what's a girl to do 8)
 
He's not even doing any work. He's just making a distracting noise so you don't catch him listening to System of A Down.

He doesn't want to make you crabbit :D
 
Don Luigi said:
He's not even doing any work. He's just making a distracting noise so you don't catch him listening to System of A Down.

He doesn't want to make you crabbit :D
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So what's he been saying about me being crabbit :| lol

Bloody racket, I'm expecting him to come through the ceiling at any moment now....thank baby Seamus the building insurance is up to date!
 
He said nothing. It's just an intuition :p

I'm only joking, of course. I'm sure you're incessantly pleasant. Men are more crabbit than women. I'm sure everyone had at least that one crabbit aul' man on their street, when they were kids, that was just waiting for a ball to roll anywhere near his house. Ruined many a good game of curby, but made for many a good nick-knock and chase :D
 
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