Weight training knowledge basics

Snarky91 said:
Mr. Nuttynutskin, if one has limited time on one's hands (s)he would be better off doing four workouts a week of half an hour rather than one workout of 2 hours. Bodybuilding, even powerlifting, is a process. It takes time for the body to build new tissue and as much as you like spending 3 hours in the gym will be excessive catabolism leading to a deficient waste of time.
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Again, this is just your baseless opinion. The strongest and biggest I ever got was when I was working out twice a week with heavy full body workouts both days. I will agree this is probably not best for beginners, but can you give me a source showing how working out for 2-3 hours twice a week will cause excessive catabolism? If you can't recover from a 2-3 hour workout in 2-3 days you're obviously doing something wrong.

Snarky91 said:
I don't think I have time to address your other points but this is one of the serious breaches of progress to "cram" all your training rather than hit short time but more frequently. Latter is much more preferable will always lead to better gains.
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Cop out followed by more unsubstantiated claims...
 
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Okay. It's just my opinion. Why two sessions at three hours each? Why not one session at six hours? Why can't one specialize in endurance and strength sports same time? Sorry the body doesn't work like this. You'll learn in time. But you might be spinning your wheels for years before that time comes.. some people I see in the gym look the same over a period of months like they're skinny and can't put on 5 lbs of muscle in 5 months.. maybe you're one of them.. we're beginning to flesh out the logic of gym warriors who think they can make their own rules, which is good thing - it's what inspired this thread.
 
Snarky91 said:
Why two sessions at three hours each? Why not one session at six hours?
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Because it's what's working for me know that I'm getting back into lifting and I don't think training once a week is optimal. Next month I'll probably up it to 3 days a week since my strength and endurance is coming back nicely.

Snarky91 said:
Why can't one specialize in endurance and strength sports same time?
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They can obviously. Did I ever say they couldn't? I just am not a fan of high rep lifting. I think there are better things people can do for endurance outside of the weight room.

Snarky91 said:
Sorry the body doesn't work like this. You'll learn in time. But you might be spinning your wheels for years before that time comes..
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Yeah, whatever... I've already put 40lbs on my squat in the matter of 2 1/2 weeks. I'll let you know when I'm spinning my wheels so I can come to you for your genius advice.

Snarky91 said:
some people I see in the gym look the same over a period of months like they're skinny and can't put on 5 lbs of muscle in 5 months.. maybe you're one of them..
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And maybe you're an arrogant dickhead that likes to make assumptions about people because they have differing views on training.
 
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Your second sub-reply misconstrues my question. One cannot be top notch marathoner and top notch olympic weightlifter at same time. It's impossible. Therefore understand the trade off with intensity and volume/time. Training for bodybuilding or powerlifting requires significant intensity, so if you're spending three hours in one training session can you give me rundown of what you do for 180 mins? I keep workout logs for tracking my own progress and in long workout session I've gone up to 24 sets for triceps and shoulders, and those workouts drag like he'll and take maximum 60-75 minutes.

You need to understand some athletes one set is enough to deplete a muscle's ability to lift at the same level for a good little while. Other athletes (the majority) thrive off of two or three sets, because in one set their muscle hasn't expressed it's power. So what exactly do you do for Three hours? This is almost half as long as most people sleep every night. Do you think this is good ratio for proper recovery? What do you think muscle is doing once it gets fired up? Do you think it can stay pumping not misfiring on any cylinders for continuous three hours? These are sincere questions. I need your answers.
 
Oh yeah. If you were to come to me for advice, believe it or not, I would refer you to these basic principles. I've got my younger brother and nephew started on bodybuilding because I believe it's a very constructive use of time trying to better yourself (not necessarily with any extra supplements, these are sometimes for vain reasons and can contradict health). And the only thing different from these list of rules is I actually trained with them for a few months to teach them the exercise form. We started off with full body workouts (me included, coming back after a layoff) and after three or four months I found we had built good work capacity where full body workout wasn't doing it anymore. In the beginning I was deadlifting three times a week with good recovery. Now I do deadlifts once a week, and if I were to do three times a week I might end up flat on my back unable to get out of the bed at these Poundages. So I stand by these principles. Criticize them it's fine. It's worked great for me and my "trainees." one thing you learn very quick in bodybuilding/powerlifting is do the least amount of work or take the easiest route to achieve results. This way, once you've exhausted them you still have some tricks in the bag. Save complicated shit for when you need it.

15. If you find one arm/leg is bigger/weaker than the other, it might help to switch over some barbell movements in favor of dumbbell movements so each side can develop in balance, unilaterally from the other. One arm or leg tends to dominate the poundage in barbell movements.
 
Snarky91 said:
Your second sub-reply misconstrues my question. One cannot be top notch marathoner and top notch olympic weightlifter at same time. It's impossible.
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Oh I'm sorry, because you were being oh so clear. It depends on what you mean by specialize. While I'm not a fan of it, I would say Crossfit specializes in both in a way. Not in the same way as a powerlifter, olympic lifter or bodybuilder specializes in their training, but it's still possible to have good endurance doing those things. So yeah, an Olympic lifter is not going to make a good marathon runner, but again you're just rehashing things that pretty much anyone who's been into lifting for a while that's halfway knowledgeable already knows.

Snarky91 said:
Therefore understand the trade off with intensity and volume/time. Training for bodybuilding or powerlifting requires significant intensity, so if you're spending three hours in one training session can you give me rundown of what you do for 180 mins?
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No.

Snarky91 said:
I keep workout logs for tracking my own progress and in long workout session I've gone up to 24 sets for triceps and shoulders, and those workouts drag like he'll and take maximum 60-75 minutes.
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Good for you.

Snarky91 said:
You need to understand some athletes one set is enough to deplete a muscle's ability to lift at the same level for a good little while. Other athletes (the majority) thrive off of two or three sets, because in one set their muscle hasn't expressed it's power.
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Expressed it's power? What does that even mean?

Snarky91 said:
So what exactly do you do for Three hours?
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It's less than 3hrs but pretty much the major lifts followed by accessories.

Snarky91 said:
This is almost half as long as most people sleep every night. Do you think this is good ratio for proper recovery?
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Yes since I have 2-3 days to recover, and as I said I'll be starting 3 days a week soon.

Snarky91 said:
What do you think muscle is doing once it gets fired up? Do you think it can stay pumping not misfiring on any cylinders for continuous three hours?
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Misfiring? lol Are we talking about working out or firearms?

Snarky91 said:
These are sincere questions. I need your answers.
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Well hopefully I didn't keep you waiting too long oh knowledgeable one. BTW why the hell are you doing steroids at what, slightly over 140lbs? Every girlfriend I've ever had weighed more than you. There's no way you've reached your natural limit, especially at that weight. It wasn't until I was at about 180lbs that I ever even considered steroids, but I decided that it wasn't for me and that I would stay natural.
 
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I have advanced deadlift, advanced squat, advanced military press, and intermediate bench press as my natural self. I don't care if you beat your meat in a crossfit "box" where the floor and ceiling and walls are made from mirrors or you believe me or think I'm a nice guy or arrogant and full of shit. It doesn't affect me.
 
Beat my meat in a Crossfit box? What are you drunk or somethingt? I don't even like Crossfit much less do it.
 
Form over everything i bussted all my plateaus by reducing weight to novice level andxworling on doing the exercises right..I.e. Biceps grew an inch off of 20lb dumbbells after two years of using 45s..

Weight over volume...you came in here to work, so work.. Pick a weight that's challenging to LIFT RIGHT, ten times. If you can't, drop weight till you can..If you aren't sure on what's right, refer to exercise guides at bodybuilding.com..I've seen tons of guys eeadlift 350 pounds for five years and still look average because they weren't doing it right..

Volume..go hard, rest hard.. Eat right..everything else will fall into place..

Don't be afraid to go in and squat 95lbs properly next to the guy who's dropping a quarter inch with 400lbs on his shoulders..in two years, you'll know who did it right.
 
Yeah..I've also quit going to failure all the time..Over a few years, your joints and tendons will suffer from going hard like that all the time...I doubt I will ever quat anything over 225 again..It's just not worth the potential injury, when I can get awesome results squatting 150.
 
silverfucked said:
Yeah..I've also quit going to failure all the time..Over a few years, your joints and tendons will suffer from going hard like that all the time...I doubt I will ever quat anything over 225 again..It's just not worth the potential injury, when I can get awesome results squatting 150.
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I agree. I'm going hard now as I've been going light, higher volume since January. Squats though I never go heavy. I get better results squatting more volume and less weight. 225 and under for lots of reps does my legs justice. Though now that I'm pushing doses higher and bumping calories back up, might push more weight for a bit just to see what happens lol. I never do singles or triples though, 5+ reps. I'm no power lifter.
 
I don't think any advanced bodybuilder - even Ramy sized ones - truly needs to go much over 400lbs squats to get sufficient quad stimulation.
 
CFC said:
I don't think any advanced bodybuilder - even Ramy sized ones - truly needs to go much over 400lbs squats to get sufficient quad stimulation.
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Just to compare what might be acceptable weights to bodybuilders, and a basic lifting routine for PL'ers...

Had a look at a mates squat routine:

Squats tonight:

Warmed up with triples in sleeves up to 220
Then did 280 x 2
Followed by a 300 x 1
Dropped back to 260 x 5 .... (and he's currently injured)....

Opening lifts at next comp:

305kg Squat..... PB 350kgs
210kg Bench...... PB 240kgs
275kg Deadlift.... PB 300kgs

Bodyweight 120.4kg
 
Snarky91 said:
When I think about explaining why low reps don't promote hypertrophy, I always think about deadlift (since I don't do barbell squats anymore because leg press is much safer). Anyway, if one were to lift a weight that would cause one to fail at two reps, it would be down to a lack of strength and/or nervous system coordination. Certainly it wouldn't be due to muscular fatigue. There's no one muscle to single out. The weak link can be as simple as you couldn't keep your whole body tight enough. This shows that doing crazy high numbers is foolish for hypertrophy in compound lifts in general because argument can be extrapolated the same. You won't be using your quads even close to failure on those crazy heavy squats.. it will be lack of coordination or another factor at weakest limiting juncture. So growth won't be ideally stimulated.

Craxy high numbers genetic freak. Is this equipped' powerlifting and if so what kind of equipment?
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Oh dear.... You are limiting your potential for quadricep hypertrophy by not incorporating squats..!! Leg press doesn't cut it IMO..!!

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I've always been a good squatter, and personally find them less risky both for my back and my knees, although I won't do the crazy poundages anymore. But I'm not ideological on this or any lift, there's more than one way to skin a cat/pump a quad.
 
Platz had legs the gods woukd envy. It's like ruhl and his freak shoulders. Im trying a new periodization to switch things up. Been doing tons of volume for over a year now, gonna try going back to 5x5 while blasting to take advantage of the added recover, repair and increased calorie intake. I know on gh15 the poster ghlr3 I believe posted a phenomenal post about different training affecting different muscle fibers.
 
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