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General Election 2015

Which party would you cast your vote for?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 2 4.2%
  • Labour

    Votes: 8 16.7%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Greens

    Votes: 14 29.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 3 6.3%
  • BNP

    Votes: 2 4.2%
  • SNP

    Votes: 6 12.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 4.2%
  • None of the above (feel free to post in thread)

    Votes: 11 22.9%

  • Total voters
    48
  • Poll closed .
Good article by George Omnibot criticising labour and praising progressive parties; at the same time giving some advice on tactical voting to keep the tories out:

http://www.monbiot.com/2015/04/15/the-longest-till-receipt-in-history/

How does Labour expect to attract the poor, the young and the disenfranchised, whose votes, if they were mobilised, would guarantee power for a progressive party? How does it propose, while trapped within Tory framing like a bee behind a window, to ignite a passionate re-engagement of the kind we have seen in Scotland? Its appeal is negative: we are neither the Tories nor the party the Tories say we are.

For inspiration, progressive voters must look elsewhere. Yes, the other parties have their flaws. While Labour appears to know the price of everything and the value of nothing, the Greens have the opposite problem. But hiding behind their tongue-tied leader are dozens of inspiring and transformative ideas that have far greater potential to inflame public passions than Labour’s dismal offerings. The same can be said of both Plaid Cymru and the SNP.

I understand the danger of letting the Conservatives and their gleeful cruelties back in. I accept the argument for supporting Labour in the 16 constituencies in which a strong Green swing could hand the seat to the Conservatives or the Liberal Democrats. These are Brighton Kemptown; Cambridge; City of Chester; Ealing Central and Acton; Halesowen and Rowley Regis; Hornsey and Wood Green; Hove; Morecambe and Lunesdale; Plymouth Sutton and Devonport; Pudsey; Sheffield Hallam; South Swindon; Southampton Itchen; Watford; Wirral West and Worcester. But if you live anywhere else, you can vote – without fear of punishment by our ridiculous electoral system – for the party that inspires you.


Tactical voting leaves a bad taste but would you vote green if the only result would be a tory mp? (i don't know... as a tory is unlikely where i live i can vote for who i like. the system is shite)
 
Good article by George Omnibot

Hehe.

Tactical voting leaves a bad taste but would you vote green if the only result would be a tory mp? (i don't know... as a tory is unlikely where i live i can vote for who i like. the system is shite)

It totally depends on how close they are. I would never vote for a no-hoper Green if there was a real battle between Labour and Tory.

I used to live in Banff & Buchan, where it was a choice between Tory or SNP (at the time). Labour didn't have a chance, and we were a Labour family through and through. So we always voted SNP just to keep the the Tories out. That's probably why Alex Salmond was our MP for so many years. Then we realised that he was actually quite a good MP, and tactical voting turned into genuine voting.

I dunno where I'm going with that story, but that's my answer to your question. ;)

Up here - for the first time ever - it seems that tactical voting is a thing of the past, almost. For once, we're gonna vote for who we actually want, and all bets are off.
 
Got the first Lib Dem leaflet through the doorflap today and they're very much playing up the tactical voting angle where I live. The only point it makes is that this seat is traditionally either Tory or LIb Dem with Plaid and Labour a very distant third and fourth (in that order). No mention of any other party. There's about 4000 votes in it apparently and would be nice to get shot of a Tory. Am massively disappointed with the LIb Dems but they're still a big step up from Tories even with full knowledge a'hindsight. I would not vote for them but would vote against Tory. I would also rather stick to my principles but must admit there is temptation when the vote is reasonably close as it appears to be in my constituency.

In other news, the local Labour campaign leaftlet was hilarious. Was so clearly just some random geezer who'd agreed to have his face on the leaflet. Sooooooooooooooo far from what you'd think of as an MP it's untrue. Could see his face appearing in the What You Look LIke? thread but not even the Greens would have someone looking like that as the face of their election campaign :D

(to be clear, i am really not judging and would happily see more big issue sellers in parliament, just can't see there being many votes in it in a place with a sitting tory mp is all)
 
^ Shit scenario, but you need to keep your eye on your local polling.

Here's the thing in our constituency. All the SNP stuff is hand-delivered at various times of the day (ummm... by people like us - volunteers). All the Tory and Labour stuff is sent via the Royal Mail. And as for the Lib Dems... not a fucking peep, yet. :)
 
Most deliveries here seem to be by hand other than the Tory stuff which came through with the rest of the junk mail (they did include a free calandar, mind... but it did have a Tory geezer's face on it so yes it is a dealbreaker but possibly not in the way intended). The rest has all come through later in the day. Only seen Plaid peeps out and about with rosettes on so far but no knocks on the door here. Did get called by one of the polling organisations asking me various questions about the election and the various parties a couple weeks back though. If the whole thing goes tits up this does not - necessarily - mean it was my fault though.
 
I had a ukip leaflet through the door in a fairly bilingual welsh constiuency. There was one small bit of welsh language in the corner and they spelt cymru wrong 8) (they spelt it cyumru). Way to go ukip.

Felix: "Up here - for the first time ever - it seems that tactical voting is a thing of the past, almost. For once, we're gonna vote for who we actually want, and all bets are off."

You're lucky - i'd be voting snp if i lived there (though only as a pragmatic coalition - my natural home would be more like someone from the RIC or commonweal or something). I'm all for voting when there's someone meaningful to vote for. Voting against things isn't democracy, it feels like blackmail.
 
You're lucky - i'd be voting snp if i lived there (though only as a pragmatic coalition - my natural home would be more like someone from the RIC or commonweal or something). I'm all for voting when there's someone to vote for. Voting against things isn't democracy, it feels like blackmail.

Aye. I feel lucky, and it's difficult not to feel somewhat smug about the situation.

Voting SNP isn't one of those permanent things, like being a "lifelong Labour voter". It's just part of a movement towards something else. We don't know what's over the horizon post-independence, but we know it's better than what we have now.

Exciting times. :)
 
Amusing article on SNP by Mark Steel:

General Election 2015: An SNP takeover? Whatever happened to democracy?

Because Labour will be dependent on the SNP, they’ll probably give all our money away to Scotland, and replace the Premier League with curling

They’re HOLDING the country to RANSOM, these SNP thugs! Luckily The Times has alerted us, with its headline: “John Major warns of SNP coup.” And you can see this just from looking at Nicola Sturgeon, she’s got coup written all over her. She’s like Idi Amin in a red dress.

Their plan for this coup is not only to get their members elected, but then to send those elected people to the parliament they’ve been elected to, to speak and vote on the issues they were elected to speak and vote about?! And you thought Isis was bad.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-whatever-happened-to-democracy-10196366.html
 
Aye. I feel lucky, and it's difficult not to feel somewhat smug about the situation.

Voting SNP isn't one of those permanent things, like being a "lifelong Labour voter". It's just part of a movement towards something else. We don't know what's over the horizon post-independence, but we know it's better than what we have now.

Exciting times. :)

100% spot on.

I just hope the rest of the UK see this as the opportunity to break up the two party system and also to expose the dirty tricks they are capable of.

The referendum last year was eye opening. The Bullshit, lies and smears that came from the Westminster parties was unbelievable and the whole of Scotland has now seen it for what it was.

Its exciting times indeed if the SNP get a bigger say in things.

For all Tory + Lib Dem voters read this:-

Torys and Lib Dems voted against proposed amendments to the official secrets act which would allowed for easier investigations into the Paedophile ring at Westminster..

http://chrisspivey.org/shhh-its-an-official-secret/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQvrfIohsaw


Fucking massive corrupt cover up.

Cunts.....every one of them who voted against this.
 
Got the first Lib Dem leaflet through the doorflap today and they're very much playing up the tactical voting angle where I live. The only point it makes is that this seat is traditionally either Tory or LIb Dem with Plaid and Labour a very distant third and fourth (in that order). No mention of any other party. There's about 4000 votes in it apparently and would be nice to get shot of a Tory.

Having re-read the leaflet it would appear my memory really is that fukkin bad cos apparently the gap is around 1200 not 4000. This does make the feasibility of voting somewhat more potentially meaningful. Still bothers me massively that I would be voting against rather than for though. This is not how an electoral system should be. It's no wonder there is little to no faith in British politics outside of Scotland right now. And is frankly amazing there is a pocket of hope anywhere in the UK (even if it does necessarily involve breaking up the UK). Does come to something when the state of politics, the electoral and voting system and politicians as a sub-species have gotten to such a state. Strikes me that the Scots have it easy cos they can vote out of the system and for something other than what it has been for far, far too long.

Seems to me that people living on such a tiny island really shouldn't be especially divided. Would seem to make sense there would be broad consensus on many - even most - if not quite all issues. Boggles the mind how politicians (and prior overlordships of even more self-appointed nature) have managed to screw things up quite so royally. Was that Freudian slip? Doubt it cos that (not so) lil fly in the ointment appears blindingly obvious to me.

Just such a shame that the common wo/man has been convinced that it's other common wo/men from... ooh... at least a stiff day's walk away are somehow the slavering enemy hordes rather than the tiny minority who have lorded it over all of us for centuries. It's not like divide and conquer (or divide and rule if you prefer) are such complex concepts but we all still seem to fall for it over and over and over and...
 
Oh I think you'll find the SNP do want to be apart of the UK. They don't want to be a part of the UK.

Independence lark?

Language matters. ;)
 
Outside of Scotland? THEY'RE the only ones trying the divide the country with this independence lark instead of wishing to work with us. They don't appear to want to be apart of the UK so.

Errmm... have you heard of a party called Plaid Cymru? You have? What do you think their aim is?

Edit: How could I have forgotten about Sinn Fein, too?
 
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When they say they want to save the union/uk the elite (and therefore the media) aren't talking about what everyone else is - to them saving 'the UK' means keeping their centralised scam of hording all the power they stole from empire and the workers to themselves, carrying on the international warmongery and serving the city of london banking elite and the gentry. I hope scotland does become independent - and then later wales, n. ireland and england join them and make a free united republic instead (london would probably become an independent city-state (pretty much is now) rather than give up their neoliberalism and tax haven business - but i say let em go if they don't want to join the FUR - we'll manage (us welshies might need a few lay-ons from you scots though ;)).

This election has nothing much to do with scottish independence though - that's just the scare story the media has latched onto to try and avoid a potential outbreak of democracy - they're petrified of democracy because if it grew across the country in any meaningful way it would effectively mean the break up of the scam they call the UK (the actual people/country would be fine though).

It's pretty disgusting watching the media try to threaten us with the scary snp. It's about scottish people democratically choosing their mps, and them mps democratically voting which way they (and hopefully their voters) want. Hopefully, for once, the fraudulent FPTP will maybe bite them in the arse
 
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I'll be honest I don't really understand all this politics lark....

Does it not concern you that you - and many, many others who feel the same - will be expected to vote even though there is self-admission of not understanding what is being voted for (or against)? Seems to me this is a very real issue. Why should political parties get away with bamboozling (and/or boring the living shit out of) people then expecting their votes based on nothing? It's precisely this kinda stuff which puts so many of us off from voting. People are being manipulated without their even realising it in many instances. This can only happen when we have a political system as corrupt and failing as ours is.

Be in no doubt, (potential) voters. You are being manipulated. Your vote does little or nothing beyond serving immediate party political ends in most cases. Scotland is the only part of the country that matters in this election as far as I can see. The rest of us are still forced to either attempt some form of tactical voting which - as recent events demonstrate - can come back to haunt us, or simply vote by rote which simply adds to the problem.

These cunts should be on tenterhooks. I fundamentally disagree with party politics as a "thing" anyway. If politics is to truly mean anything we should all be voting for independent candidates on a local level. In turn these candidates should have expressed views on what their wider political views are. In the absence of parties, whips and so forth people could simply vote for other people who most closely represented their actual beliefs instead of this utterly moronic bipartisanship which ceased to have meaning decades ago. Anybody who feels their beliefs can be so binarily satisfied by parties that build their existence upon endless lies aimed at pleasing such easily satisfied morons are welcome to what they get. I'd like to think real people were worth more than that. One can but hope I suppose.
 
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