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Which is worse...missing the vein with dope or coke?

themdyaunome

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Which, if either, is more harmful.

The Real MD, yeah you know me here....I'm sure this question has been covered before, but it's such a narrow topic it was hard to find the right keywords so no results were found using the search engine.

Anyways, my question is which is more harmful, missing a dope shot or missing a cocaine shot? I've missed multiple times shooting heroin, as it was my drug of choice for several years, and only within the last year have I started to shoot up cocaine. I was just wondering if missing one was more dangerous than the other. Ive never had any complications from a missed heroin shot, which I have done at least 15-20 times, not usually a full miss but you get my point.

I have only missed with coke three or four times, though. To me it seems like the swelling is worse, it hurts more once the numbness goes away, and I'm not sure if this had anything to do with it being coke, but I blew out one of my veins after shooting crack(broken down with white distilled vinegar and topped off with about 40 units of water.) That time however, I checked every 15 units or so and was registered each time. Could have been from over-use, or possibly the vinegar having a harmful effect on the vein. I just hate that it is easier to miss with coke, as the numbing effect sometimes makes you unaware that you are not hitting the vein. So from my experience, I feel that a missed coke shot has more harmful effects than a missed dope shot, but that is only because I have a lot less knowledge and experience with it. Oh the joys and risks of being a drug/needle addict. Tis sad, but I just can't help but love that bell-ringing sensation you get from a nice shot of white.

Anyways, thanks for any input you can give me. I know I went on a rant but the main question is, is missing one more dangerous than the other, or do they both carry the same risks? Thanks!

P.S. I realize it would all depend on the cuts as well, but lets assume for this question's sake that they are both pure...
 
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Like you said it depends on the cut and so on especially the amount you shoot. Yet I believe that one is not more worse than the other if they're both pure. Its really bad if you miss a shot no matter what the drug may be. One may cause more adverse effects for someone else when the other may cause more of a problem for another person. That's why we really want you to try your best to shoot any drug the correct way and give out as much harm reduction information as we can. Iving the wrong way can be dangerous as I'm sure you're aware of. We can miss shots numerous times and nothing happens but then we randomly do again and the next thing you know you're at the ER with a massive abscess.
 
^ Very true!

The most dangerous thing about a missed shot is introducing infection, so I'd say no difference. Most important thing is to be as sterile as possible in terms of prepping, water, filter (ideally a micron filter) etc. Cocaine is a vasoconstrictor and generally does more damage to your veins than heroin though..

As for missing your shots more with coke - could be the local anaesthetic effects or could be the vasoconstriction causing the vein to shrink too much and the needle to pop out. Vinegar is not going to be good for your veins but I don't know much about preparing crack for IV administration..

Related reading: IV complications megathread
 
I was always taught that vinegar is very bad for your veins. The few times I had to break down crack to bang as coke, we used lemon juice instead . The cut is indeed the most important factor.
 
never use lemon juice to break down freebase for IV prep. it's a sure fire way to ruining your veins and infection. i'd avoid buying freebase to shoot, stick to powder.
 
never use lemon juice to break down freebase for IV prep. it's a sure fire way to ruining your veins and infection. i'd avoid buying freebase to shoot, stick to powder.
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Of course. This was back in "the day" (I don't even mess with needles anymore) and at 4am when the power ran out but the crack dealers would still be out. Note I said : "The few times I "HAD TO" . I'm sure you understand that. I would never recommend IVing ANYTHING for ANYONE . My point was simply, whether correct or not, I was simply taught to never use vinegar.
I havent shot coke in so long, it doesn't even give me the willies anymore if I think about it, which I only do when someone else mentions it .
I have no intention of ever doing it again, and ESPECIALLY since the levimasole (sp?) contamination, I won't be touching coke again at all. At the age of 42 I think I've pretty much done all the coke I want to. It's no longer exciting or interesting. Thankfully !
 
Problem is I can't find the powder anywhere. I remember when I could get it any time I wanted...I suppose it's good that I cant but Im not a big fan of the rock, just been really fiending for it lately. Im usually more of a downer person
 
have you considered using a different ROA - smoking?

My point was simply, whether correct or not, I was simply taught to never use vinegar.
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using asorbic acid is preferable to white vinegar in the prep of base, both healthier alternatives to lemon juice obviously. both are damaging to the veins though which is why i'd recommend IVing cocaine hcl > base
 
Yes all I do is smoke it now unless I can find powder. The damage the vinegar does to the veins is just not worth it. However, I dont feel much from smoking. I mean I feel good, but it doesnt compare to IV'ing it. Either way, when it's gone I feel miserable.

PS: I did buy some vitamin C pills because I know that is the safest method. I just know nothing about preparing it with that. As in, how many mg of vitamin c do I use and how many units of water do I mix it with, etc.
 
i wouldn't use Vit C tabs, pure asorbic acid is easy to find in shops. as for how much to use that depends on how much base you're using. start with a minimal amount (grains) and titrate slowly up using just enough for it to acidfy, turning it into cocaine ascorbate.
 
Haha wish I knew that much earlier. Before I blew out a vein and damaged my whole right arm. I did a lot of research and everyone said vitamin c, etc. But thats good to know, thank you.
 
Here you can get sachets of ascorbic or citric acid, but the amount in the sachets is still too much. You don't want to be injecting an acidic solution so lefty's right, just add a tiny bit then add a little more if needed, you just want your cocaine to dissolve..
 
Yeah I usually just add 10-20 units at a time, stir for a minute or two, and just add til it fully dissolves. I then try to add at least equal parts water to reduce the acidity going into my veins, etc.
 
^ indeed, that's why it's so available here - from needle exchanges etc :)
 
leftwing said:
never use lemon juice to break down freebase for IV prep. it's a sure fire way to ruining your veins and infection. i'd avoid buying freebase to shoot, stick to powder.
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This is right, lemons have a fungus that grows on the outside of the fruit and permeates it's juice. This is also the same reason not to use vinegar. They both can very easily introduce a fungal infection.

Stay safe and be informed! Keep our streets safe...
 
ScrewLight said:
This is right, lemons have a fungus that grows on the outside of the fruit and permeates it's juice. This is also the same reason not to use vinegar. They both can very easily introduce a fungal infections
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This is very confusing to me. It's my understanding that vinegar kills fungus. I'm not saying that makes it safer to shoot. There are serious Ph issues to consider. But can it really cause a fungal infection?
 
I think everyone has gotten a little off topic haha, can we discuss more on whats worse to miss and why? THANKS!!!! (i just created this account so i can discuss this with you all, not that anyone cares just thought i would share that haha)
 
They both suck to miss with. Both can be painful. Both can lead to abscesses. Careful and clean practices can lead to much better results.
 
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