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how good is kratom?

femaletrouble

femaletrouble

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so ok i ocassionaly take codeine 3x 60mg in one go. now im thinkin of tryin this kratom" so many varaitys to choose from****** but on to my question.... will this be a better alternative? is it as good.. same as... or better.
 
Depends on the variety as to the potency & effect.
Also who cares if it's herbal? Your post implies herbal or extracts of herbs are weak?
There's lots of drugs that are herbal that are quite if not extremely potent.
IE. Ibogaine, or Ayahuasca (Banisteriopsis caapi vine with other "herbs") both of which are potent hallucinogens.
I've taken Kratom varieties at doses I found to be I'd say equipotent to a 30mg Oxycodone.
In fact I've taken just plain leaf that may have even been stronger than that, let alone the extracts.
I mean 7-Hydroxymitragynine is just one of it's constituents & that is found to be more potent than morphine using pD (2) values.
And kratom contains various other alkaloids besides just 7-Hydroxymitragynine & Mitragynine, as such it can be quite potent.
Really varies on the strain, the freshness & the like.
Extracts can be considerably stronger than plain leaf, but I've found plain leaf to usually be a better value.

You really need to be more specific in your question if you want a more specific answer though. :)
 
I think that it's pretty strong, personally. Used to like the Bali kratom on occasion. Haven't used it in a while, though...I've been using H so I'm not sure how it would hit me now anyway :(

But yeah, it provided a nice buzz and it's an excellent natural anti-anxiety drug IMO, one of the best anxiolytics I've found outside of benzodiazepines actually.
 
Kratom is amazing to take the edge off at the end of the day or get thru a hard days work if u have a physically demanding job..personally i love kratom it puts me in a good mood and takes care of the minor aches and pains that life brings..kratom and weed is the perfect all natual mix %) Add in a coffee and a cig if u want to get dangerous..lol
 
Kratom is an herb of sorts, but it isn't weak like a lot of other herbs. Just to get this out of the way, kratom is addictive if you're not careful and can give the same withdrawal symptoms as hydrocodone for example.

I love kratom and use it every day. It is absolutely AMAZING to use at the end of a stressful day, great for physical labor (it gives you an energy boost and extra motivation during/after hard work), and gives an awesome mood lift. It contains alkaloids that are agonists to mu opioid receptors, as well as antagonists. Being a partial agonist, this means that it has a ceiling, meaning you can only use so much in one day before the effects seem to stop working. It also contains a yohimbe-like alkaloid which adds an energetic aspect to it, compared to traditional opioids.

It is best taken on an empty stomach to reach maximum effects. Tolerance builds rapidly and I STRONGLY ADVISE to stick with plain leaf. Extracts are ok very occasionally, as they are usually very overpriced per dose and mess up your tolerance (even to other opioids). Something that many people don't know is that since kratom contains some antagonist alkaloids, it affects the effects of opioids when used in a combination. For example, if you use kratom, then use a hydrocodone later, the hydrocodone won't have much of an effect as usual. BUT, if you use hydrocodone then kratom afterwards, there will be no problem. This is because the antagonist-side of kratom fills up your opioid receptors and blocks out the effects of the hydrocodone.

Kratom has a cross-tolerance with other opioids, so be careful. It is very effective to help a taper off of other, more intense opioids. It is also rich in anti-oxidants and is raw leaf material, so it is a healthier alternative than most other opioids. Kratom is strong, so don't overlook it just because it's raw plant material.
 
I love kratom. For making your day easier it is amazing. It also works amazing for me at keeping me from other drugs and helped a lot when I have over induldge and would experience some sort of withdrawl.

To me its like turbo coffee. My girlfriend has no opiate experience and it gets her pretty damn high!

Kind of jelouse from that stand point.
 
potatoman said:
it's stronger than codeine to my knowledge so more addictive. Be careful&fly safe.
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lol no way is kratom better than codeing in java scjipt. 122 grams of milligrams is much better than the crapo the k is.althought i took lorazepmae with ir
 
I have tried every Kratom strain. Not one compares to a good Codeine extraction, so I do not know where the reasoning from that arises. The high points are it's legality, affordability, and ease of access. I am certain that if opiates in general were legal that few people would be interested in kratom. It has an unpleasant crash, a three hour duration, and it tastes awful. It does have potential for alleviating withdrawal symptoms, yet do not expect any glowing experiences.

The consensus is that Maeng Da is the strongest strain. Extracts are generally not worth the price. It is not water soluble, so capsules are the way to go.
 
^^^

I don't find that Kratom has an unpleasant crash for me, I find it actually lasts a lot longer for me than 3 hours, and find it to be very pleasurable and have had many "glowing experiences".

Of course I don't use strong opioids, but I think it's better than you are making it out to be at least in my opinion.

I also seem to be one of the few people who isn't even bothered by the taste.
 
Micophile said:
I don't find that Kratom has an unpleasant crash for me, I find it actually lasts a lot longer for me than 3 hours, and find it to be very pleasurable and have had many "glowing experiences".

Of course I don't use strong opioids, but I think it's better than you are making it out to be at least in my opinion.

I also seem to be one of the few people who isn't even bothered by the taste.
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It is strange that the taste did not bother me at first either. I did push its limits, however. It made me vomit on a few occasions with doses over 15g, and after that I could not even taste the residual powder on a handful of capsules without gagging. I was a user of heavy opiates, so of course that plays in, yet even when I was not, I never found the high to be great. It is not something that will make you not out, but then again... your mileage may vary.
 
It all depends on the individual... I for one, get absolutely nothing out of codeine but histamine release and a craving for something stronger whereas kratom actually gets me high (well tbf, not much nowadays). Kratom is pretty much all or nothing, love or hate for most so I would just pick up an ounce from an online vendor and try it for yourself.

IMO though it's much more effective and prefferable than codeine, but definitely not on the level of hydro or other full agonist opioids. 7-hydroxymitragynine is present in such small amounts that calling kratom anything but a partial agonist is giving it too much credit. Still though I find the ceiling higher than that of codeine and the high longer lasting by almost 2 hours (which doesn't say much about codeine when kratom's entire duration rarely hits 5 hours :p).
 
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I had wanted to try pure 7-hydroxymitragynine or 7-acetoxymitragynine, yet I only found one vendor, in the UK for that matter, and despite good customer service my order did not go through. My system learned to reject the pure plant form. There was an extract I was fond of named Gold Reserve, but it was rather pricey.
 
It's pretty good...But it was pricy.. I could get 4 Norco for that price, but if ur in wd and u can't found opiate it does help..
 
i eat about an oz when I do kratom, albeit that is to much plant material in general for anyone to have to consume ... 5 grams is a sturdy dose for a noobie... should be good
 
Kratom is good for getting through a day without ever getting tired. I have never gotten a heavy opiate experience from it. At its best ten grams first thing when you wake up is like an energetic hydro buzz.

In my experience its best to just leave it at that and use it when you want to keep clean from more powerful opiates. I have pushed the dosage to high before and it kind of makes me dizzy with a headach. Kind of trippy but in a bad way.
 
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