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Liquid Morphine (oramorph)

Yes.

Did you want to know anything specific or something?
 
Sorry I should of added more information in the original post.

I was just wondering is it best to take it on its own or combine with codeine?

I'm a first timer with this.

Does it feel stronger than codeine? As codeine gets converted by the liver to morphine anyway... Is it actually any different?
 
Supposedly around 10 times more potent than codeine. 20mg oral is OK with no tolerance.

Fun as tits, gives a heavy nod and has a nice iv rush

Not worth playing with for too long tho
 
PieceByPiece said:
Sorry I should of added more information in the original post.

I was just wondering is it best to take it on its own or combine with codeine?

I'm a first timer with this.

Does it feel stronger than codeine? As codeine gets converted by the liver to morphine anyway... Is it actually any different?
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Yes it's ~10x stronger than Codeine.

Take it on it's own.

Squirt it up your ass.
 
PieceByPiece said:
Sorry I should of added more information in the original post.

I was just wondering is it best to take it on its own or combine with codeine?

I'm a first timer with this.

Does it feel stronger than codeine? As codeine gets converted by the liver to morphine anyway... Is it actually any different?
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Its usual equianalgesic conversion dose is 10:1 when administered orally, but metabolism from codeine is variable between individuals (and also produces hydrocodone as a metabolite). Anyway I've always felt that morphine is a lot stronger. High-dose codeine is very itchy and nauseating and still doesn't come close to an equivalent dose of morphine in terms of intensity, euphoria, or duration.

Don't combine them, just take the morphine. If you're dosing orally be advised BA is around 30%, so adjust accordingly. With no tolerance 20mg is most definitely OK, and I would advise caution, but I wouldn't expect a strong effect from 20mg orally - comparable to codeine. I'm abnormally insensitive and eat 100-120mg without tolerance, but I'd recommend eating 30.

Also, as Rybee said, plugging is a very viable method of increasing its bioavailability and rate of absorption.
 
PotatoMan said:
The histamine release from mixing morphine and codeine will be unrelenting...

I'd plug the morphine and throw away the codeine..
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Yep. Unless you literally have so little morphine and have no other potentiators (single-dose benzos, sedative antihistamines), I would leave the codeine alone. Morphine is also among the worst for histamine release in my experience, but codeine is the absolute worst, and it's the weakest. Unless you literally need marginal extra biosynthesis to reach an active morphine dose, fuck the codeine.

Codeine is metabolized into morphine and hydrocodone, but once you've had (even oral) morphine you'll realize it's not the same thing.
 
The ones I've seen are 5 ml equal 100mg of morphine. So go to the drug store and buy a syringe. Preferably 1ml ones. That way you can control your dosage.
 
Thanks for the all the information guys!! Really helpful.

I normally take Promethazine or sometimea diphendryamine with codeine to increase the effects of sedation (and to stop itching and combat any neusea - although ive never felt sick with codeine, but as my tolerance builds I don't want to risk it).

Would taking the morphine with Promethazine be a bad idea?

The morphine I have is 10mg/5ml.

I take codeine an awful lot and have a tolerance, normally take between 60mg-260mg.
 
When I was in the hospital I had an IV of morphine, and they gave me promethazine...Mainly to help nausea that is associated with it. So I know they do that in the medical community. Now I don't know exactly how much you're supposed to take
 
PieceByPiece said:
Thanks for the all the information guys!! Really helpful.

I normally take Promethazine or sometimea diphendryamine with codeine to increase the effects of sedation (and to stop itching and combat any neusea - although ive never felt sick with codeine, but as my tolerance builds I don't want to risk it).

Would taking the morphine with Promethazine be a bad idea?

The morphine I have is 10mg/5ml.

I take codeine an awful lot and have a tolerance, normally take between 60mg-260mg.
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No, it wont necessarily be a bad idea. Oral Morphine is okay, but IV Morphine often makes me vomit so I always ask for Diphenhydramine or Cyclizine to be co-administered with it to stop the nausea. Both are very effective and work very well, Promethazine will be fine too. Personally, I don't particularly enjoy a large ratio of antihistamines to opiates, I think it spoils the high. Though some people prefer it, and to each their own I guess. I'd seek advice for a recommended dose or ratio from someone else who takes Promethazine with opiates.

I'd also consider plugging the Morphine by the way. You often get far more bang for your buck in regards to a better high with less Morphine used. I always used to plug my Morphine before I switched to Oxycodone. Much better IMO.
 
Promethazine may be a good idea - after codeine, I have found morphine to be the worst opioid in terms of histamine release. Take 25-50mg or something, or whatever your usual dose is.

PieceByPiece said:
So if I plugged it would I use a lot less than what I'd take orally?
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Yeah. There's some amount of dispute over the BA but most seem to agree it's around double, give or take. Adjust accordingly and take the potentiation from the promethazine into account.

It comes up pretty fast plugged too. When I stopped mainlining I'd plug my heroin and found this was by far superior to all other ROAs, and still cut the mustard after having injected it several times.
 
PieceByPiece said:
Thanks for the all the information guys!! Really helpful.

I normally take Promethazine or sometimea diphendryamine with codeine to increase the effects of sedation (and to stop itching and combat any neusea - although ive never felt sick with codeine, but as my tolerance builds I don't want to risk it).

Would taking the morphine with Promethazine be a bad idea?

The morphine I have is 10mg/5ml.

I take codeine an awful lot and have a tolerance, normally take between 60mg-260mg.
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60-250mgs of codeine isn't a big dose.....I would start with 10-15mgs of morphine
 
Thanks for the info :)
I may well give this a go.
I think I'll really have to sort a dosage out first with Promethazine and such.

Could I start with plugging 5mg morphine and if I don't get much effect add more? Or is that a no go?
 
TheLostBoys said:
60-250mgs of codeine isn't a big dose.....I would start with 10-15mgs of morphine
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What he said. 60mg is merely an analgesic dose for me, possibly below threshold if I'm not in pain. 260mg is on the low side for a recreational dose for me as well.

Anyway, if you're a first-timer with strong opioids, and potentiating with promethazine, go for 15 or so. Most conversion charts indicate a 10:1 ratio for codeine to IV morphine, so 260 would warrant about 25mg IV, so even a little more plugged... However, morphine is considerably stronger than codeine despite being its active metabolite, and factor in the promethazine. To be on the safe side, 10-15mg is probably good.

You can most definitely redose if you don't feel enough after 15-20 minutes.
 
So what is considered a "big dose" of codeine? Isn't there is a ceiling effect of around 400mg as well? What is that?

I've only been taking codeine for a couple of months so that's why I'm not on a massive dose.
 
PieceByPiece said:
So what is considered a "big dose" of codeine? Isn't there is a ceiling effect of around 400mg as well? What is that?

I've only been taking codeine for a couple of months so that's why I'm not on a massive dose.
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I don't know, varies between people. I usually take 300-360mg. There's an assumption that sufficiently high doses of codeine will saturate/exhaust the enzyme responsible for its metabolism. However, from what I've read, it is codeine-6-glucuronide that is chiefly responsible for the analgesic properties of codeine, and this is broken down by a different enzyme. Anyway I've never tried if there is a ceiling dose because I have a personal limit where the itchie-scratchies just aren't worth it for what is, at the end of the day, a mild and short buzz.
 
PieceByPiece said:
So if I plugged it would I use a lot less than what I'd take orally?
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Yes, you would be able to reduce your intake by ~50% if you changed from Oral to Rectal, and in my experience the onset is much faster.

So a quicker, more intense rush, with using half of your product... seems like a no brainer to me.
 
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