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MDPV Megathread 11: Still sorting all the porn.

THCified said:
5 to 10mgs for people who have used it for years? I don't think so...!
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I should have been clearer - I meant as initial doses at the beginining of a run not once you've been at it for days, weeks, months, whatever. When you take delivery of the package and take your initial doses. I find it can take getting on for a day before I'll go much more than 10mg or so on the foil at once. Couple days down the line and I'll be huffing unweighed piles of the stuff from bongs but that first day more or less always remains within the 5-10mg range.
 
Guys (& grrrls), sorry for being ignorant and not smart enough to ask this earlier but next question is kinda important and somewhat urgent (not in terms of hours but in terms of day(s)): one shouldn't mix DRI and DRA at all costs, right? I mean I have MDPV and 3-fpm*, and I for sure will use 3-fpm. So before I will can use mdpv without weird and unexpected side-effects I will need some time - few days or even week after last dose of 3-fpm, yes?

Thanks for the [future] answers <3

* - for those who wonders what is it 3-fp(m) - it is 3-fluorophenmetrazine and as far as community knows (and as my experience says) it is stimulant drug which acts [mostly] as a releasing agent of norepinephrine and dopamine (somewhat similar to amphetamine but lighter and easier in terms of side-effects like increasing heart rate, inducing vasoconstriction, etc.).
 
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Hmm... I honestly don't know the answer to this - certainly not in relation to 3-FPM anyway. DRAs are often used to countteract the effects of excessive and extended use of DRIs (as in standard operating procedure for folks taken into hospital from acute stim psychosis is to prescribe an antipsychotic DRA). I've never used 3-FPM and know little about it so will hope somebody else passing by here does have more specific knowledge (although given 3-FPM is not a very widely-used or widely-known substance itself that may be a longshot, unfortunately :\).

What I would be comfortable saying is to not combine the two simply because the effects of such a combination are unknown. How long one would have to leave between usage of the two I would have no idea about unfortunately. I'd presume it would be related to the half-life of 3-FPM itself but I don't know what this is and would certainly not be comfortable suggesting I know enough to be able to make suggestions cos I most certainly do not.

Once you get your hands on MDPV I can more or less promise you you will not have the slightest desire to use any other substances but obviously that doesn't matter if you intend to use 3-FPM up until your package of the other arrives. I think your question probably requires rather specialist knowledge and I'm not sure such specialist knowledge actually exists at the moment due to the near-complete lack of research ever done on Research Chemicals. Hopefully one of the chemistry bods will pass by this thread in time to provide a more solid - if likely still somewhat speculative - response.

If nothing else, leave as long as you are able to but I really don't know anything about the action of 3-FPM to be able to narrow that down any further.
 
Shambles said:
DRAs are often used to countteract the effects of excessive and extended use of DRIs (as in standard operating procedure for folks taken into hospital from acute stim psychosis is to prescribe an antipsychotic DRA).
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You misunderstood me. Yes, you right, DRA's used as antipsychotic. But you probably meant DRAntagonists (dopamine receptor antagonists) and I meant DRAgents (dopamine releasing agents).

Don't stick to word 3-fpm. I understand that you can't give advice about substance especially if you didn't try or even hear about it. But I tried :) And I more or less know what it is. So just think about it like it is 'amphetamine'. So initial question morphed into next: does it safe to mix mdpv with amphetamine (for example)?

Thanks for advice, anyway. I sure will not mix them (despite I have both packages on hands) at least if someone more experienced will not convince me to do this.
 
As it turns out I was indeed thinking of DRAntagonists.

As it happens, I have heard of 3-FPM and am expecting delivery of a sample sometime soon. I just don't know much of it's chemistry... not that I know much chemistry in general but especially little of 3-FPM. If it really was directly translatable to speed/amphetamine sulphate then no, there would be no problem aside from reduced effects from the MDPV as you'd already have spunked a load of dopamine so would be running relatively low. I've combined MDPV with various other stims in various combinations and timescales over the years and long ago reached the emphatic conclusion that peev blows any and all other stims so far out of the water it's simpy a waste trying to combine it cos it overpowers whatever you are combining it with and you also diminish the effects of the peev itself as you have partially drained your stock of brainchems. Worst of all worlds, I'd say.

As noted, I don't know 3-FPM specifically and couldn't find what it's halflife is with a cursory googling. Based purely on your comparison with amphetamine I would suggest leaving 2-3 days as a minimum before using MDPV but obviously if you can hold out a bit longer that will be even better.

As for combining them? If both packages arrive simultaneously I can more or less personally guarantee you that once you start on the peev you will have zero interest in 3-FPM. Nor of any other drug (I even used to miss picking up my daily Subutex script for opioid maintanence treatment several days running without realising or caring on numerous occasions). Nor of pretty much anything or anyone in this world. You may develop an unhealthy faascination with shadow people and shadow worlds, of course... ;)

As an aside, my sister in law is Ukaranian. From Kiev. Met her for the first time this last Xmas and she brought along a selection of Ukranian dishes to sample which I really, really enjoyed. Y'all eat well over there it seems from my (admittedly incredibly limited so far) edible explorations of your fair land.
 
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Thanks for detailed answer, have no questions now.

Shambles said:
As an aside, my sister in law is Ukaranian. From Kiev. Met her for the first time this last Xmas and she brought along a selection of Ukranian dishes to sample which I really, really enjoyed. Y'all eat well over there it seems from my (admittedly incredibly limited so far) edible explorations of your fair land.
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Ha! Glad to hear.
And, actually, yes. Eating good ;) Of course if have enough money (once there were time when I had like only 5$ and I somehow should live for next 2 weeks... tough times, but now I am perfectly fine).
 
watch it with this stuff 3-FPM its a nasty one it will rot your inside for you by the pain ive been in of late plus once the e type effects gone its just this stuff without any fun at all just the worst parts of the worst bits raise their heads
 
It was just a short binge. But i used too much too quickly and suffered for it badly. Had a panick attack when i started to think i was going to loose my mind.

Back to soberity again.
 
Joined this forum a while ago and used mainly for reference with little active participation. I have read parts of this and other related megathreads such as stuffmonger's description of his investigation into the tan synthesis process but can't say I remember ever feeling certain that the chemistry or the science behind the qualitative anecdotal reports was established so if anyone is able to sum that discussion up in a couple of sentences it would save me some time as I do have an interest in this subject but years of mdpv use has left me so prone to distraction and quite unable to prioritize that I now have a tendency to become lost in the process and driven to explore the blind alley behind every link and ultimately the end or goal that might have been visible at the outset, like that of this sentence becomes hopelessly obscured...

This though is the only negative i've discovered from pv use. I've never used anything to come down and have never experienced a hangover as such, nor any paranoia or psychotic episodes. The stuff is indeed like food for me. I recently broke a multi-year habit of daily consumption of around 0.25g with a month long spell of enforced abstinence due to lack of funds and difficulty with supply. The worst was intense psychological cravings and a tendency to sleep 14 hours per day. However I have no doubt that had the substance been alcohol with an equivalent dosage daily for the same period I would at the very least be in hospital with liver disease and much of the time would have experienced a very impaired quality of life. With pv though, not only are any adverse physical effects undetectable (to me without undergoing a full medical examination), the quality of life I've had over the past 5 or 6 years of continual pv use has in my own subjective opinion been enhanced. I realise that this is not the experience of many but I do feel it's worth offering my own experience to balance to many horror stories I've read relating to the same.
 
Doesn't sound too good an idea though mate. Depends what your trying to get out of it and what sort of life your tying to "maintain " whilst on the longterm dose. Other than opiates for pain and perhaps some stimulants for ADHD or whatever .. I highly doubt using MDPV for this length of time on a daily basis is doing you body or mind any good at all.

Your cock must be red raw as well :)..... Is there even any skin left on it :)
 
bulon said:
I have read parts of this and other related megathreads such as stuffmonger's description of his investigation into the tan synthesis process but can't say I remember ever feeling certain that the chemistry or the science behind the qualitative anecdotal reports was established so if anyone is able to sum that discussion up in a couple of sentences it would save me some time as I do have an interest in this subject but years of mdpv use has left me so prone to distraction and quite unable to prioritize that I now have a tendency to become lost in the process and driven to explore the blind alley behind every link and ultimately the end or goal that might have been visible at the outset, like that of this sentence becomes hopelessly obscured...
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For those that wonder what being on MDPV is like this sentence is a near-perfect example of the state of mind. Long, meandering, disjointed and with something underlying that feels strangely peaceful and dreamlike - almost whistful. Fiending and/or wanking aside anyway. And it's entirely possible that that's just me pining for things I can no longer safely use.

Welcome to posting, Bulon. Sounds like you are quite familiar with the peev thread and its comings and goings but is always good to get to meet those who read but rarely post. We are a small community of dedicated fiends - some dedicated to using, some dedicate to avoiding but all fiends just the same and all are welcome :)

As to your question, Stuffmonger's process was essentially to add water to MDPV then evaporate it which apparently changes the colour and - more controversially - the perceived effects. With no actual knowledge of such things I'd guess maybe some form of oxidisation process that produces the change in colour perhaps. From what I recall nobody other than Stuffmonger seemed to notice any difference in effects. I would suggest it's entirely suited to the effects of MDPV to go chasing phantoms of any and all descriptions - as you note in the above quoted sentence which describes it really rather well - and that was almost certainly all that "The Stuffmonger Process" was. For reference, there isn't even common agreement over whether actually freebasing the stuff makes any real difference to the effects let alone simply wetting and drying.

As for your usage patterns, good luck to you - I suspect many of us here wish we were able to keep it at such relatively modest and controlled levels as you describe. Sadly it has a strong tendency to spin widly out of control sooner or later but of course every body is different and if you are not having difficulties then good on you and hopefully you never will get into difficulties. As Englandz says though, daily and habitual use of a subtsance like MDPV is unlikely to be good for a person but, as you point out, there are degrees of harm and these are decisions for you to make. Depicting the reality of MDPV use and the experiences of those who use is has always been the goal of this thread and all experience reports are welcome <3
 
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