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Heroin - I revived my brother with a hit of heroin.

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swashbuckler327

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Ok so I have a pretty wierd story to tell,
Place: A shitty hotel in anchorage, AK.
When: 2011, Thanksgiving Day

OK so my older brother, his girl, and I were chilling at a hotel room on Thanksgiving.

My brother had been doing Speedball's(meth & tar) the past 2 or 3 days, with at least 8-10mg xanax on top of that. I however only did tar at the time.

So its about 3pm on thanksgiving and my brother had been up for about 3 days from the Speedball's, hallucinating, thinking there's cops outside the door.(which there clearly wasn't)

He fell asleep the night before thanksgiving
And when I woke up his girl and I took advantage of him being asleep and took some of his dope(tar). In case you were wondering the tar costed 250-300 a gram.
A .08 of this would give a well experienced junkie a 6 hour high.

Anyways after his girl and I did our shots we wondered why my brother wasn't waking up. It had been at least 18 hours since his last hit.
Normally the withdrawals would wake you out of sleep after 8 hrs.

So we tryed to shake him and even stand him up but it seemed like he was in a coma.

His girl slapped him in the face and he awoke for 1 second to slap her back.(lol crazy)

I knew something was wrong. I started calling people asking if I should call an ambulance, but I made a decision not to.

I had an idea to just give him a hit of tar because I knew his body needed it.

So we tied his arm up, gave him a nice dose and about 10-15 seconds later he started to open his eyes and slowly regain consciousness.

He later told me that he could hear everything we were saying but couldn't do anything.

We then proceeded to go to our parents house for thanksgiving dinner as if nothing just happened.

Can anyone explain how that worked or if you have had or heard of a similar experience.

This is still the craziest story I have to tell.
 
swashbuckler327 said:
He later told me that he could hear everything we were saying but couldn't do anything.

We then proceeded to go to our parents house for thanksgiving dinner as if nothing just happened.

Can anyone explain how that worked or if you have had or heard of a similar experience.
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Im very glad this worked out for you. IMO shooting up a person that is seemingly unconscious is a very dangerous idea.

Your brother was most likely experiencing sleep paralysis.

There is a mechanism in our brains that shuts off our ability to move. It does this to protect us while we are in different phases of sleep. With sleep paralysis the person is fully awake, but can not move or control thier breathing even. They can hear any conversation and even themselves snoring clearly.

His three day run with no sleep probably had something to do with this happening.

There is also some correlation between stimulant psychosis (the paranoia your brother was having), sleep paralysis, and sleep deprivation.

People in stimulant psychosis, people with sleep deprivation, and people who are in sleep paralysis have all reported seeing the Shadow people, and some the hooded figure and the Hat man.

Im not sure why the heroine worked to bring him back out it must have effected the brain in a way that caused that mechanism to flip.

Sleep Paralysis

Here is a video a person who experiences sleep paralysis took to try and capture the shadow people he sees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdtV5LeAJFk

http://www.examiner.com/article/man...captures-shadow-figure-on-camera-while-asleep

Shadow person

Who are the shadow people?

If this happens to your brother again I would not use the heroin shot to get him out of it. You should just gently rouse him in some way and he will come around eventually.
 
That was really, really stupid and lucky. Next time, don't be a coward, call an ambulance!!!
 
fwiw i dont think this is good HR practice...

im happy your brother came out of his sleep paralysis / whatever is was
 
You're lucky he wasn't out because of too much heroin... he probably would have died when you shot him up. I'm glad it worked but don't do anything like that again, so risky...
 
Haha do you remember what hotel it happened at in Anchorage? It wasn't America's best value inn was it lol
 
That's a pretty crazy story, I second the idea that dope was a bad idea. I am happy it worked for you but in most situations injecting someone with heroin when they are passed out can easily kill them, not even by overdose in the classical sense but choking is easy.

If this wasn't a harm reduction forum I would say something along the lines of why did you do dope, why not coke or were you out of that? But since this is an HR forum I gotta say why didn't you call an ambulance? I understand it can be a hard call and I took that expensive ride for no reason and it sucks but i fully understand why my girl did it, well her brother did against her wishes, but I'd rather not die on her and it's the best way to make sure. I am happy for you and the luck you have :)
 
I don't have experience with shooting heroin IV, IM oxy (yes in a clean way: extracted from IR and micron filtered) is as far as I went, but in my experience despite nodding incl resp depression both of which feel unusually scary to me and obviously are symptoms of CNS depression... I think opiates disturb sleep architecture. Even if it gives me huge languor I don't think I get proper rest at night like I do normally.

My point is that disruption of sleep architecture might have disrupted his apparent sleep paralysis.

I agree with others that this was a very dangerous move and in a lot of cases that intuitive reasoning of him body needing it would not check out. If his body needs it and he doesn't get it, worst I could see happening is withdrawals. You don't get coma or death from underdosing / missing your fix.
Instead in most cases, especially with other downers involved you might send someone unresponsive over the edge cause of additive effects of mixing downers. AFAIK most fatalities related to this happen with either mixing opiates with downers or overdosing after taking it easy and having your tolerance dropped and taking what you consider your normal dose which is now way too strong.

Glad you got away with it, be careful, not preaching but saying this as a warning to other readers.
 
Its not like I gave him a big shot. He usually did .25 gram shots. And I only gave him like a .10

I knew that it wasn't a bad idea. And luckily it worked out.
 
.08 is nothing bro.
i used to do half bundle shots of northeast manteca. half b comes out to at least .25...
 
Nodding always worried me, too. I think that hydrocodone and oxycodone are more stimulating than morphine or heroin, but I could be wrong about that. Whatever the case may be, I can't usually sleep very well without sleeping pills of some sort after taking oxycodone.

"I knew that it wasn't a bad idea."

WTF? Yes, it was a bad idea. It was a terrible idea. No one likes calling an ambulance, and I've only had to do it once, but it saved my friend's life when I did. You are only fooling yourself if you still think administering a shot of heroin to an unconscious person is not "a bad idea." You could have been held liable had the shot killed him, and it very much could have. You don't have any business shooting heroin with that kind of judgement, not that anybody does but especially not you.
 
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