London, This Is What's Actually in Your Cocaine

Re. Coke vs. Meth posts/discussion - I think that, based on my experience at least, the consumption of Cocaine is more risky overall compared to Meth when it comes to acute or short term risks, whereas Meth is has more potential to cause problems due to long term use. And I understand that may come across as vague and anecdotal at best, but I digress.

Like Crankinit just stated, it is definitely worth pointing out that Cocaine use is harder on the consumer's cardiovascular system than Meth is. I can attest to this from my own usage of either stimulant, back when paying the asking price for a gram of Blow would get me some decent stuff.

On a couple of occasions, it was sold to me straight off of a 1kg brick (although I had to pay extra), and that my fellow BLers was some truly spectacular shit, and I'll never forget it (it more than made up for the price difference).

Anyways, whenever it came to the Speed, even though I huffed/smoked/ingested/injected doses which would probably be considered rather high, I do not recall ever feeling the amount of strain on my heart that I did with the Skiing Equipment.

As time passed however, it was clear that the long term Meth use had really mushed up my noodle, which seems about right since it's got a reputation for being particularly neurotoxic, right?

Sure, there are other differences to consider beforehand, such as the half-life, the doses I was doing, the RoA, possible drug interactions, adulterants, allergies or sensitivities, and so forth.

Nevertheless, if it came down to me having to choose between either 'good quality' Cocaine or Methamphetamine (and only them two), I would probably choose the Blow because I also don't really enjoy tweaking my ass off for several hours at a time - not anymore, that is, but the ~45min buzz from a line of decent Coke is not nearly so 'hard' in comparison.

Furthermore, I have come to be sort of weary of the amount of brain cells I have fried and will continue to do so if I start back up on the aforementioned, potent Amphetamine type stimulant.

Perhaps I'd have chosen differently 10 years ago, but I am no longer the adrenaline and stimulant junkie that I used to be, although I do miss some of the surprisingly fun underground raves we'd frequent as a group back then (and the sex was out of this world incredible), but enough about that.

More than anything, I'd rather chill nowadays with something mellow and warm feeling such as a µ-opioid agonist + a little MDEA which is a really euphoric but not very stimulating combo in my opinion. And perhaps I'll have my buddies come over to my place instead of more clubbing, raves, and music festivals, as they can really burn me out.

As Danny Glover once said, "I'm too old for this [tweaking marathon] shit," or at least that's how I feel about it, zzz.

One Thousand Words said:
Coke is a poor club drug, I'd much prefer a quiet couple of hours with mates at home shooting the breeze. It's the equivalent to sampling a couple of chocolates or eating an entire box, horses for courses.
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I agree - Coke and clubbing don't mix well. And I too would rather use the stuff (if it all) at home when some friends are over.

I've been caught at least once by a bouncer while trying to snort a line of Blow in a washroom stall at a club I used to frequent, and it was awkward as shit. At least he only kicked me out and didn't call the cops (and I got to keep the rest of my white powder).
 
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Good coke = greatest drug in the world. The pure stuff doesn't even over-stimulate me or have a bad comedown. A small line will have me gacked for an hour, chatterbox, with no need to compulsively re-dose. I don't really use it that much anymore but if you can get the real deal it is not the same drug as some of this garbage they sell. Most of it does a better job at making me feel bad then good. I live a few hours away from Miami otherwise I would never even bother with it. Meth, never got into it. I IV'd some one time and it was okay but no where near as euphoric as coke. Just my own personal experience though.
 
More than anything, I'd rather chill nowadays with something mellow and warm feeling such as a µ-opioid agonist + a little MDEA which is a really euphoric but not very stimulating combo in my opinion. And perhaps I'll have my buddies come over to my place instead of more clubbing, raves, and music festivals, as they can really burn me out.

As Danny Glover once said, "I'm too old for this [tweaking marathon] shit," or at least that's how I feel about it, zzz.
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It's been an observation of mine that a lot of drug users tend to make the shift from uppers to downers as their drug career progresses.
 
mane dog
imo
if you are talking about doin uppahs right, you're doing speed
speed, imo, is superior in every way to cocaine (methamphetamine)
the feeling is clean if you want it to be, you can go all out if you want to be
perfect drug imo,.
 
LSDMDMA&AMP said:
mane dog
imo
if you are talking about doin uppahs right, you're doing speed
speed, imo, is superior in every way to cocaine (methamphetamine)
the feeling is clean if you want it to be, you can go all out if you want to be
perfect drug imo,.
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As long as the consumer isn't predisposed to adverse reactions from CNS stimulants (anxiety, panic attacks, psychosis, hypertensive crisis, strokes, heart attacks, emotional outbursts, etc.), sure, Meth can be incredibly euphoric and fun to use - particularly if the occasion is a social one. And assuming that it's possible to maintain an erection, the sex on speed is long and generally the stuff of 'cloud 9.'

Unfortunately, apart from the fact that it is neurotoxic, it can cause some of the worst crashes I've ever felt, which is especially true after a three day bender. Never again - I was seeing cobwebs everywhere I'd look (which were magically gone ~14 hours after waking up from a crash-induced sleep, but at least I felt really refreshed afterwards). I was also rather reckless with the stuff back in the day, so I have absolutely no one to blame but myself (and I completely accept that without trying to make excuses, but enough about me).
 
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ro4eva said:
Additionally, if I'm in the mood for a Cocaine high (unlikely), I'd prefer to legally grow a couple of my own plants in the future for personal use if possible.
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You can't just get some coca seeds and start growing it in your garden. Unless you live on eastern slope of the Andes. You need temp and elevation and rainfall. It's possible to do it hydroponically in theory although I don't know how you simulate the side of a mountain's 2000 feet elevation. Also the space used would not produce very much it takes acres to make it. If was possible to grow it in other places somewhere like Burma or Africa would be doing it. I understand Japan did it in the 1800's but other than that I can't find much info that anyone has done it successfully outside the Andes.
They used to sell coca leafs in Amsterdam smart shops don't know if they still do
 
ro4eva said:
As long as the consumer isn't predisposed to adverse reactions from CNS stimulants (anxiety, panic attacks, psychosis, hypertensive crisis, strokes, heart attacks, emotional outbursts, etc.), sure, Meth can be incredibly euphoric and fun to use - particularly if the occasion is a social one. And assuming that it's possible to maintain an erection, the sex on speed is long and generally the stuff of 'cloud 9.'

Unfortunately, apart from the fact that it is neurotoxic, it can cause some of the worst crashes I've ever felt, which is especially true after a three day bender. Never again - I was seeing cobwebs everywhere I'd look (which were magically gone ~14 hours after waking up from a crash-induced sleep, but at least I felt really refreshed afterwards). I was also rather reckless with the stuff back in the day, so I have absolutely no one to blame but myself (and I completely accept that without trying to make excuses, but enough about me).
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So far, when I have used meth I have kept a good balance, never staying awake more than 1 night, not using it again for a week or more after one use, etc. It is definitely one of the most euphoric and wonderful drugs I have experienced.
I feel that it is like LSD without the "tripping" / "hallucinations" part.

I wonder just how neurotoxic meth is.
Alcohol is also neurotoxic, but using it in moderation is unlikely to have too terrible of an effect on someone.
 
I think there must be some variable factor when it comes to the neurotoxicity, because I've known people who've ended up completely fried by their early 20's, and others who went hard into their 30's and were intelligent, coherent individuals.

Of course that's just looking at the cognitive damage, there's also the mood issues, which are much more difficult to judge.
 
my3rdeye said:
You can't just get some coca seeds and start growing it in your garden. Unless you live on eastern slope of the Andes. You need temp and elevation and rainfall. It's possible to do it hydroponically in theory although I don't know how you simulate the side of a mountain's 2000 feet elevation. Also the space used would not produce very much it takes acres to make it. If was possible to grow it in other places somewhere like Burma or Africa would be doing it. I understand Japan did it in the 1800's but other than that I can't find much info that anyone has done it successfully outside the Andes.
They used to sell coca leafs in Amsterdam smart shops don't know if they still do
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Touché.

Perhaps the appropriate atmospheric mix of gases and pressure, as well as climate and such could be simulated in an artificial biosphere (or not). Maybe it's already being done for private use.
 
As someone who absolutely relies on stimulants to control and live with my catastrophically debilitating depression (unresposive to all 'approved' drugs at present), I have obviously tried and taken everything I can find, whilst searching for an effective, reliable and safe drug to provide relief. Unfortunately, that's the best I can do, doe there is no 'cure' - only temporary relief from the chronic, soul destroying tiredness and lack of energy which characterises my 'atypical, reactive' form of depression. Luckily, amphetamine, methamphetamine and cocaine all do this, as well as lifting my normally suicidal mood, lack of drive and ambition, utter absence of determination, and severe lack of willpower, energy, libido and enthusiasm.


Also luckily, dexamphetamine sulphate was prescribed for many years (100 mG/day), and had absolutely no adverse effects, despite having taken more than 4X my own bodyweight in the pure chemical. Unfortunately, although this clearly reveals that there is some highly unusual problem with my brain and nervous system, that essential therapy was denied me a few years ago, when the legal price went up more than %3000 overnight, with no warning and no alternative.


So, it is a simple choice.... either:

1) Commit suicide and get it over with

2) Carry on in misery and despair, only relieved rarely by getting very drunk and taking deadly doses of ephidrine

3) Return to the street, and either buy or manufacture suitable stimulants.


I tried 1) and failed, so got on with 2), a heavy danger to my health both mental and physical. Recently I decided on 3) as the best option, after an unexpected opprtunity arrived. Although I revile, deride and have no respect whatsoever for the Law, I decided against 3A) as it were, as a long prison sentence will no doubt mean an inevitable return to 1), and I actually do have moral objections, for although amphetamine does me no harm, that is not the same for most people, and the somewhat questionable folk it would mean dealing with and lifestyle it would no doubt lead to, are outside my comfort zone, and almost inevitably would lead to 4) An unpleasant, violent death, following years of back watching, worry and instability.


AS for those drugs, a racemic mixture of high purity street amphetamine is my first choice, mentally and physically. Second choice is what I am trying now, methamphetamine. Pure, physically not so effective (though apparently harmless?) and mentally a little lacking in concentration, determination, inspiration and focus - sort of 'stoning' somehow, which is not unpleasant, but not as productive... and mental tiredness seems to set in before it lets me go to sleep, annoying.

Nothing to choose between those two really.... though cocaine is absurdly expensive for the short lived effects. My last choice, seems to attract bad, greedy people in order to obtain, and is almost always dismally cut. As a result, I have never really used it as an 'antidepressent', even though it performs well.... maybe a little too well? Not nearly long lasting enough.... I should think I could easily hoover up five or ten grams a day, were supplies free and unlimited. And that's just to start with.... no doubt double or triple that in a week. For the dismally short timr it is actually working, I love the confidence boost, energy and stmulating stoning effect, plus the 'clean' frozen sensations in nose and mouth.

Alas, the price is prohibitive, and the after effects far too unpleasant. Okay for parties now and then, but even there I don't much like the mood and mindsets it creates in others, arrogance, vanity, pride, competitiveness and carelessness emotionally. A very self centred drug, for greedy, obsessive and image driven yuppy types, who like flashing wads of cash (though usually overdeawn), buying absurdly overpriced, poor quality champagne and making sure everyone knows about it, dancing energetically but very badly, wearing stupid designer clothes and accsessories like shoes they can't ealk in, and handbags containing the latest phone, extendable wallets full of cancelled credit cards, and of couse, a couple of mirrors covered in white powder, which they pretend to be embarrassed about even though it is actually baby powder.
Just not my sort of people... I have an aversion to name-droppers, stuppid haircuts, overly garrulous with empty heads, who gaf forever about their boring jobs, self importance and house prices.... affecting a noisy sniff when they haven't got a cold, then detailing fab outings with minor 'celebrities' in exclusive clubs, who would never let them in anyway.
And of course affect a sneering contempt for anyone who smokes dope, takes MDMA, likes hardcore dance music, and worst of all (shock horror!) states a prefernce for speed over coke.

More than enough said I think? Yet again... one doesn't wish to labour the point, ahem! The icing on the cake of disappointment and derision for cocaine is my personal 'comedown' from it. Ever time I have been on a jag, I get a chest infection, no doubt from inhaling all the rubbish it is cut with. Far, far worse however are the mental effects - seriously bad depression and gloom which lasts for days, horrible! If I'm honest, I am not immune to the undesirable effects mentioned above myself, it makes me tetchy, irritable and never quite 'satisfied' by anything. Invariably I drink too much, too quickly, but the actual drug has a nasty, annoying and insidious effect - it seems to be its own obsessive, smugly self satisfied promoter and advertising agent, even whilst coursing through brains, blood and nasal passages with a vengeance. Maybe it is the constant, unavoidable, physical reminders of it's presence, numbness, bitter trickling and strangely invasive, yet exciting and desirable 'smell'? I always get a strange impression that it, cocaine, is in control of me, unlike any other drug, where I at least have a chance to analyse, enjoy and deal with it myself - even acid. I think that s one of the most unfortunate, intrinsic dangers of cocaine - you have to surrender to it, and can never truly master it somehow?


This is strange, I haven't had any for ages and ages, but can even now almost taste it, smell that exciting hint of ether and petrol, and remember with toe-curling clarity the (literally) mind numbing effects on my mind in detail.Do I hate it, or crave it? No, I don't do 'craving'... truth is, I somehow deeply resent the stuff, for having such power... so, were a big, fat white line, nicely chopped and offered up to my snoot with a sinister smirk and rolled £50 note, would I indulge? Would you? It is such bad, BAD gear, I have learned my lesson many, many times! All those good friends who got into deep trouble with the evil stuff, ruining themselves financially, morally and even physically... but they were stupid, weak and greedy, I am made of stronger stuff, am older, wiser and very experienced. I can take or leave anything I want, as I've proved to myself, even with smoking and drinking....


It is of course NO CONTEST! With a deep, resonant snoring sigh, he coughed gently, shook his head, slid a grubby finger across the lightly dusted mirror, then rubbed it into his gum, wistfully remembering the strong, white tooth which had once been there. Hmmm... he'd forgotten how NICE it was.... happy memories! Or were they? Of course they were... if it hadn't been for the foolishness of the others. Oh well.... another, slightly sad sigh. She'd been so beautiful.... not his fault she been such a silly cow, he'd done his best, everyone had said that? Just bad luck, that's all - that's the way it goes. Never was a good judge of character, she had been warned? He looked up.
"Got amy more? I don't normally of course, but it was birthday last week..."

And so it goes. The most introspective damnation of cocaine ocuured to me the other day actually, about of the blue. It is the only drug which makes you crave more and plan to get more while you are still actually snorting it! Also, the stuff obsessively appeals to the very least suitable people, who almost immediately become utterly obsessed with the stuff, even though it makes their jangling nerves and overactive brains fill them with anxiety, paranoia and nervous exhaustion. I have a good friend who is very highly strung, restless and jumpy - quite the opposite of me, and absolutely the last sort of person who needs any stimulants, especially cocaine. She was absolutely obsessed with smoking crack, which cost a fortune and did her no end of harm, mentally, physically and financially. It was quite novel and rare back then, so I was curious, but not overly eager to try it, thanks to a reliable dexedrine supply and reluctance to associate with the sort of nutters who dealt the stuff. Even so, I was invited to join her for a smoking session, and off we went. I liked it, naturally, but she was astonished at the way I could take it or leave it (a true statement), and failed to argue over every crumb to ensure it was fairly divided. "Very nice love, thanks very much.... you finish it, I've had enouugh..."

This seemed tantamount to producing a winning lottery ticket, then pulling the Holy Grail from my pocket whilst phoning Lord Lucan.... having just put the toilet seat down, unasked. She was in a peculiar mood, convinced she'd dropped a bit, which I helped search for, fruitlessly. We then indulged in a little uncharacteristc 'horseplay' never known before, as she didn't normally fancy me at all (and who can blame her?). It was however peculiar, she was so incredibly nervous, tense and 'wired', the opposite of what naive, old fashioned me normally expected as a precursor to sex. And I kind've knew that is not what she really wanted, and 'let her off the hook' as it were.... what a gent! What she DID want was Valium, repeatedly requested, with a sort of odd, ecstatic expression, as if it were the Jams of Paradise.

Unfortunate, I am most certainly NOT the chap for that! It was so peculiar, disturbing even, and I feared for her health afterwards. She was strong, wilful and determined I'm glad to say, and with a little help and encouragement from me, packed in the crack and did very well in the end. One of my better acts and moments, if only there were more than the manifold losses, failures and disasters.

Whatever, that's my 'stimulants in a nutshell' bit, but as with all drugs, what suits me safely does not mean it is okay for everyone, or they will get similar sensations, amounts of enjoyment, or effects at the same doses. Each to their own as always, and be careful!

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Thank you for that advice, and your kind encouragement - I will take it. And sorry to everyone for the length of my posts, I realise they should really be short, on topic and hopefully informative, helpful or both.... plus of course 'polite'! My excuse is, and I hope everyone will understand (if not accept) it, is that I only found this excellent site last week, and after several unproductive, miserable recent years, found myself completely carried away, filled with five years of frustrated opinions, complaints, and unexpressed emotion... and of course, self pity... er, I mean 'righteous indignance at my medical ill treatment!'.... yes, that sounds better! And a lifetime of drug fuelled anecdotes and stories and anarchic opinions. Sorry to go on.... which I am in danger of doing again, so greetings and love to all, 'tis time for the pub!:D
 
The trouble with 'groeing your own', from what I know, coca plants don't thrive at low altitudes, without very strong sun, and if they did, vast amounts would be required to make even a miserable gram or two of coke. Otherwise it would have been done long, long ago! As an aside, I've always wondered why tobacco - which grows well in the UK - has never been grown as a 'cash crop'? Maybe this is the time, with such ridiculous taxation, a substance which hasn't been smuggled since the 1700's is now well worth smuggling again?
 
If cocaine were easy to produce then the Colombia/Bolivia/Peru region wouldn't have maintained such a total dominance in it's production. There are other regions of the world where coca grows like Vietnam IIRC but it's not harvested for cocaine, to the best of my knowledge.
 
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