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Does speed even get you high?

Ismene said:
Is a death related to meth the same thing as being caused by meth in a single dose tho? Or is it that you're addicted to meth for years, not eating, not exercising, never washing, taking every other drug you can find before keeling over in a state of complete disrepair?
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No idea mate. It was just a literal 2 minute Google search.

Having said that I'm writing a "what to do in case of overdose" piece in conjunction with one of the yank mods that we're gonna put up in every section of BL when it's finished. I'm concentrating mainly on opiate OD as that's the one that's most likely to kill...you know like what to tell paramedics basic CPR and life support, narcan etc. But am putting a bit on stim ODs as well.

From a paramedic point of view there isn't much we can do, it's just a case of get the person to hospital ASAP and maybe treat any cardiac problems that manifest themselves...

The hospital treatment mainly consists of benzos and basic cooling procedures and perhaps drugs to slow down heartrate like beta-blockers but other than that there's not a lot you can do. In 10 years I've only ever seen a couple of folk die from cardiac arrest that we SUSPECTED was due to stim OD but it's hard for us to say...that's for the coroner to do tox screens to determine exact cause. Compare that to probably a couple hundred opiate OD deaths I've seen. These days an MI is fairly treatable if you get there quick enough and with things like AEDs in public places and more and more people trained to use them, even a cardiac arrest isn't the guaranteed death sentence it used to be...

I might do a bit more research on this just out of interest (I'm sad that way:))
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Iirc, doves were around late 80s/early 90s. Then the quality of pills took a downward turn for a few years until the mitzi's arrived around 97/98. Mixmag hailed them as the saviour of dance music..
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*cough* California Sunrises *cough*

Oh, and proper xtal. Mixmag cunts are the kinda cunts that only know of a thing if their "shady mate" Sebastian told them it's "bleeding edge" so they can be effectively removed from all decent conversation. And probably the genepool in general frankly.
 
englandgz74 said:
The point I was getting at (without going into too much detail.and making a massive long post) was that oedema is a symptom of CHF which can be brought on by stimulant use.
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I've gotten the severely swollen ankle thing numerous times - especially on peev runs. When I was taken into the psychiatric unit that last time I was given... dunno what they call it but is a simple score based on various measurments of pulse, blood pressure, heart rate and so forth. Apparently mine was the highest they'd ever seen outside of training. They didn't tell me this at the time as I was psychotic so they (correctly) assumed this knowledge would have worsened my condition. They did tell me several days later though and was quite the wake-up call.

It's easy to take certain signs and symptoms of stim abuse as being all par for the course - especially after decades of heavy abuse - but something more concrete and specific does bring into focus that although it's unlikely most people will acutely overdose (unless they go bombing 2g wraps of random "speed" hoping to find actual amphetamines in there somewhere) a great many longterm users will end up causing both acute and chronic damage cumulatively over time. It sneaks up on you and rarely feels like there is anything wrong subjectively but objectively you're on the verge of a heart attack several times over daily when heavily abusing stims.
 
Shambles said:
I've gotten the severely swollen ankle thing numerous times - especially on peev runs. When I was taken into the psychiatric unit that last time I was given... dunno what they call it but is a simple score based on various measurments of pulse, blood pressure, heart rate and so forth. Apparently mine was the highest they'd ever seen outside of training. They didn't tell me this at the time as I was psychotic so they (correctly) assumed this knowledge would have worsened my condition. They did tell me several days later though and was quite the wake-up call.

It's easy to take certain signs and symptoms of stim abuse as being all par for the course - especially after decades of heavy abuse - but something more concrete and specific does bring into focus that although it's unlikely most people will acutely overdose (unless they go bombing 2g wraps of random "speed" hoping to find actual amphetamines in there somewhere) a great many longterm users will end up causing both acute and chronic damage cumulatively over time. It sneaks up on you and rarely feels like there is anything wrong subjectively but objectively you're on the verge of a heart attack several times over daily when heavily abusing stims.
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Yeah exactly...the dangers from stims is far more insidious and cumulative than with opiates which are pretty safe and non toxic in the long term....(but obviously deadly in overdose) with stims it's almost the opposite in that the dangers of OD aren't as great but the dangers of chronic use are far, far greater.

The obs score you mentioned is called a MEWS (medical early warning score) in which certain baseline obs -systolic BP, heart rate, respiratory rate, body temperature and measure of consciousness (usually AVPU but sometimes GCS)are used to predict the onset of some problem before it happens by taking the sum of various observations and allocating a score then tracking this number.
 
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englandgz74 said:
Yeah exactly...the dangers from stims is far more insidious and cumulative than with opiates which are pretty safe and non toxic in the long term....(but obviously deadly in overdose) with stims it's almost the opposite in that the dangers of OD aren't as great but the dangers of chronic use are far, far greater.
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I <3 stims with all my <3 but have to agree with this.

englandgz74 said:
The obs score you mentioned is called a MEWS (medical early warning score) in which certain baseline obs -systolic BP, heart rate, respiratory rate, body temperature and measure of consciousness (usually AVPU but sometimes GCS)are used to predict the onset of some problem before it happens by taking the sum of various observations and allocating a score then tracking this number.
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That does indeed ring a bell with me. I don't recall the actual score but I do recall the number of staff who came to "observe" and the look on the consultant's face when he explained it to me (in private).
 
Shambles said:
I <3 stims with all my <3 but have to agree with this.



That does indeed ring a bell with me. I don't recall the actual score but I do recall the number of staff who came to "observe" and the look on the consultant's face when he explained it to me (in private).
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Really sorry to hear about that mate.....it sounds awful <3

Take care bro <3 x
 
Well I swallowed 3 rice sized "shards" of meth about 20 mins ago and am raring to do some housework. Hopefully it won't degenerate into 5 hours solid masturbation.
 
5 hours of masturbation would be the least of your worries if some of the tales from our American friends in the above link are to be believed.... As long as you don't stay up for 5 days straight and become convinced your mate is a cop and is wearing a wire embedded in his shoulder and decide to remove said wire with a 12 gauge deer slug at point blank range thus blowing his arm off but both deciding to continue the binge anyway...(although personally I think that one is made up :))..seriously have you read some of them?.....Jesus Wept!!
 
englandgz74 said:
Not wanting to be a wet blanket or anything but with more and more folk having access to meth these days I thought a few sobering stories from our American cousins about meth psychosis stories might make good bedtime reading....

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/38590-Meth-psychosis-stories-you-know-you-have-one

Please stay safe folks <3
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Good hearted post, though i suspect talking about stimulant psychosis round these parts is like taking coals t' newcastle ;) (eg have a skwizz of the mdpv thread) - always worth a reminder in a HR forum though.
 
I am and always will be a speedfreak. It was my first DOC and I think it will be my last. The only thing stopping me from feeling that way was opiates. Yeh, smack is fuckin ace and all that, but speed was my first love - its the only thing that made me feel alive, everything else just blanks that feeling out. Coming off smack and methadone always makes me crave speed... And that's where I am now. FML.
 
fwiw i got my first doves in 91 - took 100 to ibiza - they were all over london and its when the first price drop happened from 20 -15 quid or x2 for 25 (in clubs/raves).Lovely pills you could see them sparkling in the right light cos of the crystals. The first pills we got in 88 were white calis with a split.
 
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only done phet once, was sold at £6 a g for 30-40% purity according to the dealer. I bombed about 200mg at first than 100mg another 40 mins later. It certainly had an effect- on top of booze I felt good, extremely stimulated, strong dopamine effect. But I finished the gram off that night and still slept after a lot of booze.
 
Tried the meth orally, started with 3 rice sized shards, then progressed to about 15 or 20 throughout the day. Definately more like the speed experience I've been looking for. Managed to get 5 or so hours of housework done. Made the fateful decision late in the day to bash the bishop. After about 2 hours I sensed my impending doom and started to suspect meth must be one of those drugs that stops you shooting your muck and two hours and a lot of tugging later I confirmed that conclusion. Been applying savlon antiseptic healing cream to my knob for 2 days.


Think I'll bid goodbye to the stims road. Good luck to all the mighty knights of yore still travelling on it. May your champagne never be pink.
 
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