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Benzos Am I taking lethal dosages?

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stringyvomit

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So, I haven't been consistently using Klonopin throughout my life but it has been a part of it for quite some time. The first time I got high off of it, I was 15 years old and I'm pretty sure I took two 6mg doses in one day before. However, now that I'm older I'm trying to be more cautious (or I'm just paranoid, really). For the past two weeks I have been alternating between Klonopin and Benadryl (and I know it's not smart to take Diphenhydramine with sedatives, so I've already stopped taking the Benadryl) and have only taken Klonopin what I believe to be 4 times? 6mg the first, 4mg the second (which was probably 3 days later), 5mg the third (which was probably about 2 days later), and 6mg the fourth (which was the day directly after; yesterday). I don't plan on taking any today because I already feel dependent on pills and want my tolerance to go down again, but am I taking too much? And by too much I mean do you think anywhere between 5mg-12mg would induce something like a seizure, coma, or death? I've heard several times throughout my life that Benzos are almost impossible to OD on, but in the past few days I have read the contrary and what I've found is making me uneasy. Someone with experience with Klonopin, should I be okay using high doses like these? I love the effects they have. I am 5'5 and 189lbs. Currently I have 30 Klonopin on me, but I'm obviously not going to take them all at once. :? Suggestions? Opinions? Advice?
 
You're more likely to black out and behave erratically than die from 5-12mg. Most benzo-related deaths involve other CNS depressants (typically opiates). I don't really understand how often you've been using benzos though. You said you haven't been using it consistently which I took to mean you aren't currently physically dependent but I'm confused how you could take 4mg+ on a regular basis otherwise. 0.5mg Clonazepam is more or less equivalent to 10mg Diazepam (Valium) so that'd mean you're taking 80-120mg of Diazepam. In any case, the doses you mentioned are well beyond the standard therapeutic dose and while death is unlikely, you should really consider tapering down to a manageable level and then ceasing use altogether if you feel comfortable.
 
I was prescribed 8mg daily, Ive heard of 12.

I was seriously addicted to benzos and I would take 20mg or more at a time. Like Grinders said you will black out if you take that much so you need to know how you act when your not in control. Some people get violent, but we all get stupid. I once went through 1000 valiums in a week. I'm happy nothing seriously bad happened, other than learning what benzo withdrawal is like.
I don't suggest anyone taking anywhere near that much.
 
David Wooderson said:
I was prescribed 8mg daily, Ive heard of 12.
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Sorry, "therapeutic" probably isn't a very useful term in this circumstance. Is there any reason other than tolerance for someone to need that high of a dose though? It seems unscrupulous to prescribe that much, and I know there are some shady doctors out there. If I recall correctly, my ex-gf was prescribed 90mg Adderall XR + 3mg Clonazepam on top of an SSRI for years, so I guess 8-12mg Clonazepam isn't that much, relatively speaking.
 
Well, if you have been prescribe benzo's for years, tolerance does occur, so I could see someone being on 8mg a day easy...but you can't OD on just benzo's alone...now add alchol,opiates, or some other CNS deppressnet there is a chance it could put you down, like GHB for exapmle, I didn't even know GHB was prescribe but when I looked through a pamplet it said not to take klonopin if you were taking GHB...I have a high tolerance due to me taking them thereaputically and abusing them at times for over ten years now(first benzo experience was when I was 14 and took 40mg of valium). But anyway, now I can easialy take 15mg of Klonopin if I'm trying to catch a buzz and be fine(don't do this if you have no tolerance you will regret it) the only thing that happens is I'm albe to sleep easy...I find with klonopin taking more than 4mg at a time doesn't add to any effects for me except drowsiness and forgetfullness. Even though I can take so much though I can still take 2-3 mg of Klonopin and be anxiety free for the day...so I find it pointless now to take anything over 6mg in a day, though some people need to due to tolerance.
 
Dude your tolerance goes up with benzos so incredibly fast, its ridicules. At my worst, I was PRESCRIBED 100 xanax every 10 days and 180 k-pins for 30 days... And that was from a doctor, so think about it.

And like everyone says, high dose of benzos and youll just blackout and piss your pants, u wont OD.
 
Actually...I had a problem many years ago with klonopin (1mg). I took 25 and was in the hospital for 2 weeks...so yes, they can hurt you. I also had champagne and some sleeping medication with them, but they can be dangerous in high doses.They gave me charcoal. It was a bad experience. This was almost 10 years ago and I rarely take them now, even though I'm prescribed 60 1mg per month for anxiety because of my illness.
 
Taken from DF:

Something else interesting regarding the safety of benzos is that Klonopin's LD50 for rats and mice is 4,000mg/kg, and in rabbits it's 2,000mg/kg. Even though animal LD50's aren't necessarily a great indicator of what may be a fatal dose for a human, if we use the rabbit LD50 as an example, it would take around 145,000mg of Klonopin to kill a 160-pound person; using the rat/mouse LD50, it would be 290,000mg!! So, in essence, it's pretty much impossible to OD on the stuff for two reasons:

1 -- Where the heck would you get that much Klonopin?? And if you *were* somehow able to procure it, surely thoughts of suicide would quickly be replaced with thoughts of selling the darned things and becoming filthy rich, lol!
2 -- If the LD50's listed above are similar to the LD50 in humans, one would need to ingest anywhere from 72,500-145,000 2mg pills.
As a side note, just a thought I'm having... First of all, each pill weighs more than the amount of clonazepam in it due to all the fillers. I'd be interested to find out exactly how much one 2mg pill weighs, but for argument's sake, let's just say that a 2mg Klonopin weighs about half as much as a regular paperclip, 250mg. Then 72,500 pills would weigh 18,125 grams. Now, if memory serves me correctly, it takes about 14 liters (14,000g) of water to kill a person of average weight. That would make the pills themselves less toxic than water!
I must reiterate though, the LD50's listed above are just for the sake of example; the human LD50 for clonazepam is not known (for obvious reasons).

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I once took 100mg klonopin with a pint of vodka and some beers, --I slept for a couple of days, but that was about it. Sounds pretty safe to me. (relatively of course, NOT recommended.)
-thomas-

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My pdoc told me that one of his other patients took over 100 mg of Xanax in a suicide attempt. Apparently, she was fine (although sleepy). He did add that, thankfully she didn't add alcohol. My impression is that it's almost impossible to OD on benzos unless other CNS depressants are involved.
 
etnies said:
Taken from DF:

Something else interesting regarding the safety of benzos is that Klonopin's LD50 for rats and mice is 4,000mg/kg, and in rabbits it's 2,000mg/kg. Even though animal LD50's aren't necessarily a great indicator of what may be a fatal dose for a human, if we use the rabbit LD50 as an example, it would take around 145,000mg of Klonopin to kill a 160-pound person; using the rat/mouse LD50, it would be 290,000mg!! So, in essence, it's pretty much impossible to OD on the stuff for two reasons:

1 -- Where the heck would you get that much Klonopin?? And if you *were* somehow able to procure it, surely thoughts of suicide would quickly be replaced with thoughts of selling the darned things and becoming filthy rich, lol!
2 -- If the LD50's listed above are similar to the LD50 in humans, one would need to ingest anywhere from 72,500-145,000 2mg pills.
As a side note, just a thought I'm having... First of all, each pill weighs more than the amount of clonazepam in it due to all the fillers. I'd be interested to find out exactly how much one 2mg pill weighs, but for argument's sake, let's just say that a 2mg Klonopin weighs about half as much as a regular paperclip, 250mg. Then 72,500 pills would weigh 18,125 grams. Now, if memory serves me correctly, it takes about 14 liters (14,000g) of water to kill a person of average weight. That would make the pills themselves less toxic than water!
I must reiterate though, the LD50's listed above are just for the sake of example; the human LD50 for clonazepam is not known (for obvious reasons).

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I once took 100mg klonopin with a pint of vodka and some beers, --I slept for a couple of days, but that was about it. Sounds pretty safe to me. (relatively of course, NOT recommended.)
-thomas-

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My pdoc told me that one of his other patients took over 100 mg of Xanax in a suicide attempt. Apparently, she was fine (although sleepy). He did add that, thankfully she didn't add alcohol. My impression is that it's almost impossible to OD on benzos unless other CNS depressants are involved.
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Haha. Great post.
 
It isn't safe to take that much Klonopin no matter what the scientific studies show...what's the point? I was hospitalized on 25mg. It happened.
 
SickWithRA said:
It isn't safe to take that much Klonopin no matter what the scientific studies show...what's the point? I was hospitalized on 25mg. It happened.
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If you have a tolerance it can be perfectly safe

And just because you were hospitalized doesnt mean that the klonopin itself would have killed you. Passing out and falling, and other stupid black out activitys could though.
 
SickWithRA said:
It isn't safe to take that much Klonopin no matter what the scientific studies show...what's the point? I was hospitalized on 25mg. It happened.
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Yes but you also said you drank and combined Rx's.

I would take that amount a couple times a month. But I had a high tolerance and I never drank on them as I learned fast that nobody can handle themselves when taking it with drink.
I wouldn't recommend taking more than prescribed and Grinder's is correct in my script was not therapeutic. I took them for seizures though.
To each there own, but I would have taken xanax any day over kpins.
etnies-
You should never sell your medicine to another. Thats illegal!
 
He also added alcohol and other sleeping medication... You'd have been fine hadn't you mixed them like that. Personally I thinks benzos are euphoric only when combined with meth/amphetamines and greatly euphoric in that aspect. Other than that they just make me feel like shit now... I've had a 5 year addiction to them in the past though due to high dose prescription... Never again though... I still feel the paws from that 2 years later...
 
Yes they were mixed with champagne and Ambien. In any event, over those...even though I'm still prescribed...rarely take unless I'm having high anxiety because of my RA.
 
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