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First time candy flipping, first time with MDMA

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Hello everyone. I have obtained about 400mg of MDMA (marquis tested positive, advertised at 87% pure) and I have 2 tabs left of LSD (the tabs are quite strong, 2 is quite a ride).

I have done LSD maybe 18 times, I have done shrooms 4 times, and smoked DMT once or twice. Not once have I touched MDMA, because I just cannot get myself up to want to go to any social event like a festival. I wanted to see if I could try doing this in my own home, with my brother (who I am close to). He also has never taken MDMA, but he will not be on LSD. I have a disco spinning light and a black light with some colored highlighters that we plan on playing with. I also have a pretty dope sound system set up with a hefty subwoofer.

So my questions would have to be 1) would my first MDMA experience be okay while also tripping on some pure LSD? I have never once been totally overwhelmed or felt like I couldn't handle a drug I took. Never once have had a bad trip. 2) does this setting sound okay? in my house with my brother who will also be rolling, lots of lights and music? and 3) is it all cool that my brother will be joining me for his first time with MDMA? (he has only smoked weed before).

Thanks
 
Will you be ok ya probably but I'd suggest just taking the MDMA only along with your bro and have a good time then after having a base response to both chemicals you can start doing combos.
 
You should always feel what a drug is like alone before attempting it in a combo imo. I think you would have a better time both on MDMA alone, candyflipping is said to be extremely intense, something for very rare occasions, and would probably be best with other candyflipping people
 
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You should always feel what a drug is like alone before attempting it in a combo imo. I think you would have a better time both on MDMA alone, candyflipping is said to be extremely intense, something for very rare occasions, and would probably be best with other candyflipping people
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Agreed. A proper candyflip is extremely intense. Not advised to try out the combo if you've never done MDMA in its own. The synergy between these two greatly amplifies and changes the effects of both. My first time I was overwhelmed a few times during the experience and I'm very experienced with both substances, both in low and high doses. I would try MDMA on its own at least once before you jump into candyflipping
 
Thanks for the replies. I was (and still mostly am) concerned that I would miss out on what sounds like the magical first roll. I am not too concerned with a strong come up and what not, my first time with DMT was on my second shroom trip during the peak. I am planning on doing this over spring break, and I wont really have time to do MDMA first, and then try flipping. I wouldnt be able to trip again until June . Aside from an overly powerful experience, could any other issue arise? If this truly sounds like a disaster waiting to happen, I may just take the MDMA
 
Ps the 87% thing as advertised is not purity, rather it's just the name given to MDMA salt bc of how much molecules are binding. 87% mdma salt could still be cut in half if you know what I mean. food for thought

Edit: just to clarify
If you have 100% pure 87% mdma salt, and your trying to dose 120mg. You don't have to take 138mg to compensate bc it's "87%" think of it more as a chemical name to a molecule as opposed to purity rating.
With that being said. Even crystals can be cut. Synthesis can leave impurities that effect weight. Dosage would be much more accurate if it was freely available to the public and made correctly in high end labs.
 
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Yeah ignore the 87% thing.. it doesn't make much sense really. People say MDMA is a max of either 84-87% pure due to the rest of it being the HCl part (the powder you ingest is MDMA.HCl / MDMA hydrochloride), but this is silly really as firstly you would never ingest MDMA freebase as it's caustic, and MDMA is only ever sold as HCl so also MDMA dosages you see recommended are for the HCl. So basically for all intents and purposes, what you are looking for is MDMA.HCl, which can be up to 100% pure. I'd test your stuff if I were you as you just can't be too careful nowadays, and sometimes if a dealer/vendor is playing the '87%' card, they are either claiming to have MDMA.HCl which is 100% pure which is a ludicrous claim, or they obviously don't know what they're talking about, so I would be scrupulous. Sorry for the rant but this is just a pet peeve of mine, I don't understand why people throw this phrase around about MDMA when almost all recreational drugs are usually in a salt form of some kind.. you don't see people claiming Mescaline or 2C-X can only ever be such a % pure because of the HCl or HBr attached to them or w/e

Anyway, I really would experience the MDMA alone before trying in a combo, wouldn't you like to know each drug on it's own before you combine them so you can get a clear picture of how the candyflip is actually working when you do get around to doing it? You've got your whole life ahead of you to try it out! What if for whatever reason you don't like the MDMA world at all and then end up going through a drug experience you don't like, amplified 10x by LSD? Plus with you and your brother on the same level I reckon you could have a very beautiful experience together on the MDMA, which may not necessarily happen if you were tripping out from a candyflip. Anyway of course it's your choice but that's what I would do if I were you. In terms of 'whats the worst that can happen', it is just a trainwreck trip really, so theres no danger to worry about provided your MDMA is MDMA (test it) and your LSD is LSD, and you dose them (the MDMA mainly) sensibly. One sensible dose to start, and half the amount as a top up 1.5hrs later MAX, I'd avoid redosing if I were you though. Remember LSD and MDMA potentiate each other so dose lower on each than either alone
 
Haha I did not know that about the purity. I did test it with a marquis reagent and it did test positive for MDMA, no way would I ever put something into my body that I had no idea what it was! If it matters any, the crystals are a tannish brown color.
Reading what you have all said, I may just dose the MDMA by itself first just for a taste. If anyone else has any more input though, please leave it :)
I am not sure how mescaline compares to MDMA or candyflipping, but I did eat about 40g of san pedro cactus a while back and had an INCREDIBLE experience. While the only thing I can go off of is other's reports, my experience felt a lot like people describe with MDMA, plus it had some visuals I could almost compare to LSD, just a little more dancy-swirly.
 
The test with marquis is a good enough indicator really, good to hear more people are testing recently.

I actually was very surprised about the similarity of mescaline to MDMA, at least in some respects. I found it had a very very similar body high mostly, both greatly increase tactile sensation for me, they also both share emotional overtones, and put you in similar sensory 'worlds' (very neon, electrified-like, swirly, glowing.... if shrooms are 'earthy', mesc/MDxx/2c-x and probs all phenethylamines are 'spacey' but both still rich and organic, unlike LSD which is both earthy and spacey but quite digital feeling, IME anyway). The differences are that on MDMA you won't get visuals as such, you will get a visual enhancement of colours and maybe very very slight shifting/patterning like maybe 100-150mg of mescaline.hcl. the most important difference is the amphetamine/monoamine release aspect, where mescalines emotional overtones are slow and trancelike, MDMA is very pushy, surging and raw, you get surges of warm euphoria all over your body and tingling in your head and extremities, its feels _extremely_ good, as well as this you feel totally selfless, the 'ego dissolving' effect, interesting and different to tryptamine/lysergamide 'ego-death, though obviously nowhere near as strong, and you will feel very close and empathetic toward everyone around you, in a truely genuine way for me, i dont understand why other people claim this effect feels 'fake'. you will have energy to do almost anything but at the same time not feel like you HAVE to do anything i.e not overstimulated, you can sit and talk if you want, and if you have music on particularly if it is loud enough you can feel it pulse through you in a very euphoric way, again similar to mescaline but 'sped up' is the only way I can describe it. hope that description entices you. just be sure to get the dose right! i feel there is a 'breakthrough' dose for me, where when reached i will 'click' into the experience fully, where if I dose below it, I will be in/out of it, or more sober minded basically. I find this is around 2 mg/kg for me but it varies greatly, people generally dose between 1-2 mg/kg but some people rarely may go up to 2.5 mg/kg, I definitely wouldnt go above that. and as i said in my above post i feel redosing should be avoided, i believe MDMA is a true psychedelic in that it can provide experiences just as powerful and induces a strong altered state experience, thus I think it should be treated as such: dose, come up, experience, come down.. redosing seems to just cheapen and attempt to turn the experience into a toy IMO which it is not. people seem to think a psychedelic is just something that induces visuals, which for me is not true, and to me it is obvious that MDMA is a psychedelic, although somewhat atypical. it's like half a trip + a monoamine releasing agent/mild stimulant. MDxx compounds can induce visuals though esp. in higher doses +/ combined with weed, these are either cool wavy /patterning effects that look like a 'digitalised' version of traditional psych visuals, or true hallucinations of objects or things that arent there. hope that helps!
 
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Wow, very detailed reply! Thank you. That is kind of what I imagined MDMA to be like, sort of the mescaline high and "space" overall, just more amped and pulsey. On the San Pedro I felt just really happy and warm, tingling all over, and rushes of euphoria that moved throughout my body. It was incredibly relaxing and pleasant. When I smoked weed, the visuals kicked in 10 fold and the body high got quite a bit stronger.
 
You should definitely try MD alone just to be safe. Actually I was just candy flipping about two weeks ago. For me it was like LSD but without any anxiety, it's just felt more magical and there was some kinda ''glow' all over the room, like nothing could go wrong, everything is so wonderful, like a fairytale... To be honest, I prefer this combo more than LSD itself. It is quite intense but it is only in positive way, at least it was for me. BUT I have used MD plenty of times.. So don't underestimate the drug. It's quite powerful to new user. And you should always try new drug alone if you haven't tried it at all. It's that you can know what you're getting into and get to know it. Anyways, It think MD it's such a beautiful drug, for first time you don't need to take in a combo. It will be perfect just as it is..
 
I'm not that positive about one aplifying the other. But I found out that I'm sometimes the expection to the rule when it comes to drug effects. Anyway, one good reason to try MDMA on it's own is to get to know it's effect so that once you candyflip you know what effects are "normal" and cause of MDMA. And nope, you don't need to attend raves to use MDMA, but it's definately social drug where as with LSD, taken in large quantity, you rather concentrate on your own self, inner thougts etc. Introvert (LSD) vs extrovert (MDMA).
 
Do MDMA alone first. You'll have an amazing time on it just by itseld.

When I first candyflipped I had a lot of experience with LSD and MDMA but it was still too intense for me.
 
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