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Regional Pill / MDMA Discussion - my spectacular metabolism at work

mate come round with some paramol pills said there banging courtesy of the Manchester connection. look well pressed my other mate we'll call him jim said he double dropped them and felt fock all but he said it might of been cuz he was ill and reckons he lost the magic. on the plus side he's feeling a bit better tho.
 
Sounds like he took actual Paramol. ;) So, these are apparently another Manchester press? I think it's safe to say that they're not.
 
If only one of those Mancunian magicians would be so kind as to show those amateur pressers we have here in NL just how to make those magic pills instead of all that rubbish that has been put out here I'd be over the moon 8)
 
anybody tried the paul daniels? seem to be flooding in the NW atm. my mate David platt said there mint, said its like the magical days of 2007
 
Sarky cunts!

Have you guys even considered 'grals' theory in post #761? Maybe a 3,4-MDP2NP cook could yield MDMA with greater empathetic effects to that synthesized from PMK?

But i'm sure you guys know all about the finer details of safrole oil v.s. PMK v.s. 3,4-MDP2NP from a synthesis point of view, seeing as you're both so certain that precursor is not an issue.
 
Acid4Blood said:
Sarky cunts!

Have you guys even considered 'grals' theory in post #761? Maybe a 3,4-MDP2NP cook could yield MDMA with greater empathetic effects to that synthesized from PMK?

But i'm sure you guys know all about the finer details of safrole oil v.s. PMK v.s. 3,4-MDP2NP from a synthesis point of view, seeing as you're both so certain that precursor is not an issue.
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Couldnt agree more. Those saying that the reason the Dutch pills lack empathy is because they are dosed too high havnt taken in to consideration that people are taking them in halves and they still lack empathy.
 
mister said:
Couldnt agree more. Those saying that the reason the Dutch pills lack empathy is because they are dosed too high havnt taken in to consideration that people are taking them in halves and they still lack empathy.
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And the fact we've been dosing dutch md at not unreasonable bomb sizes to the same disappointing experience.

I know a flat of 5 poeople ranging from those new to the drug recently and those experienced, who will all testify to the amazingness of the ufos. We never tried the prev presses so cant comment.

Of course there is always some subjectivity when it comes to drugs. So I imagine many of you really do love the dutch stuff. Which is great for you. Just wish there was more of this stuff with a more loved up feeling about for me :-)
 
It not discussion of synthesis, don't delete. Mine opinions about absence of magic.


Safrol - isosafrol - 3,4-MDP2P - mdma.
It is a classical way. Most of all magics. Absence of magic at it
ecstasy - bad cleaning, expired ingredients. Bad chemist.




Other way Piperonal - 3,4-MDP2NP - 3,4-MDP2P - mdma.
More difficult, but for lack of safrol someone can so does ecstasy. It will be possible at such way of magic less. To ready Mdma
it is a lot of intermediate stages,
3,4-MDP2NP quickly spoil. Bad catalysts.
Generally it is heavier to make and the product can it will turn out worse quality
Here quality of precursors influences very strongly.
Such way will be suitable for Mda rather.




As I understood there is other way. Do mdma of PMK-Glycidate.
I don't know about it anything. But I assume that mdma from it turns out the worst quality.


Perhaps that ecstasy from safrol and Piperonal meet less often than from PMK-Glycidate.




Of course not only quality of a product, but also many other things influence magic.
But the probability of magic at original mdma is much more.
 
upsets me that I might have never said saf synth MDMA. I still think good MDMA is full of magic, love and beauty, but I don't think i've ever had saf synth.
 
pothole said:
http://www.dancesafe.org/why-are-ecstasy-pills-so-strong-at-the-moment/

Read the link. The new way to make mdma = shit mdma

Old saffrol way to make mdma = good mdma.

People who say mdma is mdma, or whatever it is are wrong.
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Dubious source.. a whole lotta conjecture..."as one ecstasy chemist who worked in a Dutch lab told me."


Aside from figuring out the reason for the quality difference, how can we test for it? Would testing for the type of stereo isomer give anything useful?
 
Fuuuuuccccckkkkkiiiiiiiinnnnnnnggggg Hell. :|

Wasn't all hogwash conjecture about 'magic' and 'empathy' (along with the auld circular synth-route speculation) banned from this thread a long, long time ago?

I mean, do you kids go out, wait for your pills to kick in and indulge in earnest chin-scratching about how 'there's no love' or 'it's too mongy' or 'I don't feel like rubbing my mate's pompadour tonight - these must be Dutch'?

I'm certainly glad I never did.
 
And just to play the pedant.. correct me if I'm wrong but I think I'm right as I were reet into me pills a year or so back, all those presses weren't made by the same crew, speakers and triforces were made by that t'other gang who got busted weren't they??

Edit- so where do you think the magics gone Sam?? did you turn it to dust ;)
 
the most magic I ever remember a pill being was my first one back in 2003 but that's not to say its been shit since just different and because of it being my first time. I have been around mates in recent years who have had a pill for the first time and felt exactly the same as I did in 2003 and they was on dutch pills too. people expect too much these days, well people on bluelight anyway cuz of what's been drummed into them.
 
Large ecstacy lab dismantled in NL 02/04/2015

The police have found 55 kilograms of ecstasy,various products related to the manufacture of the drug as well as 200 thousand euros in cash on a site on Slesignerstraat in Brunssum.The police, in cooperation with the Ministry of Defense, have been searching the house and several sheds on the property since Sunday. Thus far they have found 55 kilograms of ecstasy, 45 barrels of ecstasy waste, more than 200 thousand euros in cash and a dismantled ecstasy production site. The police also found a firearm with ammunition, stamps of tabletting machines, an unknown amount of MDMA oil and 74 liters of acetone.
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