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Trying MDMA for the first time ?

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying I get pure stuff hence why it is very overwhelming. Sorry but you don't seem intelligent enough to be doing drugs.
 
They specifically said that they found MDMA with LESS impurities is more anxiety inducing, and those with more impurities tend to make you feel a bit more 'fucked up', less lucid and therefore less anxious

This is exactly my findings also, like I said above my MDMA was sent to a lab and came back at ~96% pure, no active cuts. However when I've taken tan/brown MDMA (the 96% stuff was white/off-white), the experience is definitely less anxious, but with the trade off of never reaching the same peak and making you feel more 'f'd up' than lucid and clean
 
I meant it can vary between batches, as in ALL drugs vary between batches, that's how drug synthesis works. The stuff I have taken is not such. I once took some that was tested but quite tan like, which is what I am referring too. As well as what others I know have said.
 
terarc said:
They specifically said that they found MDMA with LESS impurities is more anxiety inducing, and those with more impurities tend to make you feel a bit more 'fucked up', less lucid and therefore less anxious
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"The results indicate that MDMA has more anxiogenic-like properties at lower doses and anxiolytic-like at higher doses."
-the results of the study you apparently didn't read.
They only used MDMA in this study. there were no impurities, not sure where you got that idea either.
 
tofuli said:
I meant it can vary between batches, as in ALL drugs vary between batches, that's how drug synthesis works. The stuff I have taken is not such. I once took some that was tested but quite tan like, which is what I am referring too. As well as what others I know have said.
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MDMA is a compound. If truly pure, it will not vary between batches.
Similar to how Roxicodone pills do not vary, as they all only contain one psychoactive chemical- oxycodone, at the dose written on the bottle. It is a drug, not a flavor.
any variance at all indicates adulterants, possibly psychoactive ones.
 
All drugs vary between batches for many reasons. Such as the ratio of isomers, the route of synthesis used etc, I have studied chemistry to quite a high level. You're talking absolute bullshit mate
 
'More' it's saying it's more likely to have those effects at those doses, not that it's not possible to have the opposite. Which again was exactly what we're saying.
 
I wasn't referring to the MDMA used in the study, I was referring to my personal experiences with street MDMA, which will never be 100% pure and you will never be able to get it 100% pure either as it is illegally produced. I'm going to go through two batches of MDMA I've used:

White/off-white crystal, WEDINOS identified only MDMA no active cuts, Dutch lab said 96% pure, tested fine on Mandelin/Mecke/Marquis. 125mg resulted in incredible, absorbing peak, remarkable clarity, but a lot of anxiety during the come up and a quicker come down, no negative after effects just an after glow

Brown crystal, WEDINOS identified only MDMA again, no active cuts. Not sent for purity analysis, tested fine on Mandelin/Mecke/Marquis. 125mg resulted in smooth and drawn out effects, very clean but not as lucid, intense or absorbing. Much less anxiety on the come up and a slower return to base line. Little stomach discomfort days after but no negative effects, nice after glow.

Now that's my personal experience with two batches containing only MDMA as an active chemical that resulted in slightly different effects. Just because this isn't shown on your study doesn't mean I never experienced it (on multiple experiences with each batch)

Anyway this is derailing from OP a bit
 
tofuli said:
All drugs vary between batches for many reasons. Such as the ratio of isomers, the route of synthesis used etc, I have studied chemistry to quite a high level. You're talking absolute bullshit mate
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Route of synthesis doesn't matter actually. It still comes out to the same exact compound-MDMA.
The compound is the same, if the synthesis mattered then it would produce atomic differences in the molecule, making it a different drug...
It's not a food with varying results, it's science.
smh...
 
I've read into this a lot and it is well known that mdma produced via different routes has a slightly different feel to it. This will be because of the isomer ratio produced. Isomers are like mirror images of a molecule, and have slightly different effects. Also as mdma you are buying from the streets will never be 100% pure there will always be small amounts of impurities, such as left over reactant, or by-products, these are what are responsible for most of the tummy upset you can experience on mdma, but many are also slightly active and can create the slight drunkness I was talking about. Chemistry is waaaay more complicated that 'it's just a compound'.
 
tofuli said:
I've read into this a lot and it is well known that mdma produced via different routes has a slightly different feel to it. This will be because of the isomer ratio produced. Isomers are like mirror images of a molecule, and have slightly different effects. Also as mdma you are buying from the streets will never be 100% pure there will always be small amounts of impurities, such as left over reactant, or by-products, these are what are responsible for most of the tummy upset you can experience on mdma, but many are also slightly active and can create the slight drunkness I was talking about. Chemistry is waaaay more complicated that 'it's just a compound'.
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i know what isomers are, but they do not affect the psychoactive effects of the drug. Almost all MDMA synthesized today is K-MDMA isomer, but studies have failed to find any difference if effects, or molecular structure. They are essentially enantiomers of MDMA.
 
Link me to these studies? If that were true it still has nothing to do with the original post. It is well known that mdma can cause anxiety, particularly on the come up. The whole point in isomers is that they don't have a difference in molecular structure, they're just mirror images.
 
There is no such thing as K-MDMA, plus if youve read basically any literature on psychoactivity of MDMA isomers, let's say PiHKAL for example, you'll find its pretty obviously from many HUMAN (not rat) trials that the different isomers of many psychoactives particularly amphetamines and psychedelic amphetamines do have very variable strengths and actions. Either you're trolling or stupid
 
tofuli said:
Link me to these studies? If that were true it still has nothing to do with the original post. It is well known that mdma can cause anxiety, particularly on the come up. The whole point in isomers is that they don't have a difference in molecular structure, they're just mirror images.
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I would love to but BL wont let me post attachments for some reason.
I suspect that since i was posting attachments earlier and winning debates with them, a mod got mad.
the attachment i posted earlier in this discussion i had to type out one letter at a time actually.
 
terarc said:
There is no such thing as K-MDMA, plus if youve read basically any literature on psychoactivity of MDMA isomers, let's say PiHKAL for example, you'll find its pretty obviously from many HUMAN (not rat) trials that the different isomers of many psychoactives particularly amphetamines and psychedelic amphetamines do have very variable strengths and actions. Either you're trolling or stupid
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please, link me to these human trials. every time i get in a debate on BL everyone's like "show me your studies" and then never backs up their own arguments...
Give me the chance to criticize YOUR source
 
You were not winning debates by linking a random study. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about and the OP should not listen to you.
 
They're in PIHKAL, readily available online via erowid. Also I think our personal experience says it all tbh, especially because the mdma we have taken was tested. It's a common effect on the come up, someone else also said so at the beginning of the thread.
 
It was not a random study, it was the source of the argument.
I was showing how dosage variation in MDMA can affect anxiety.
 
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