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Fucked up on heroin big time. Need urgent help. Please

Shame this person lived before the interwebz age cos tis but a click away these days.

Also, when I was being investigated for epilepsy I recall quite a number of tests as well as medications being tried and tested. Turned out I didn't have epilepsy and the seizures - whatever they were - stopped of their own accord after a few years. Not to doubt the extent some will go to to acquire drugs which despite being "the most widely used anti-seizure medication globally" (according to wiki) but barbs weren't even that hold to get hold of on the black market at the time and none of his doctors ever thought to actually test him for the source of these seizures or do anything other than continue prescribing a medication that's usually pretty far down the line as far as treatment options go in the UK cos one of their Eastern Bloc colleagues prescribed it years before?

It's definitely one for the grandkids if nothing else :D
 
Shambles said:
Shame this person lived before the interwebz age cos tis but a click away these days.

Also, when I was being investigated for epilepsy I recall quite a number of tests as well as medications being tried and tested. Turned out I didn't have epilepsy and the seizures - whatever they were - stopped of their own accord after a few years. Not to doubt the extent some will go to to acquire drugs which despite being "the most widely used anti-seizure medication globally" (according to wiki) but barbs weren't even that hold to get hold of on the black market at the time and none of his doctors ever thought to actually test him for the source of these seizures or do anything other than continue prescribing a medication that's usually pretty far down the line as far as treatment options go in the UK cos one of their Eastern Bloc colleagues prescribed it years before?

It's definitely one for the grandkids if nothing else :D
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This person had never taken barbiturates in tablet form and had never undergone any surgical procedure. Nobody he knew took barbiturates. By the late 80s doctors had become quite militant about barbiturates because they were so bloody dangerous and their use outside of hospitals for new patients was tiny. In 1985 the Chief Medical Officer brought them into the CD tent which, at the time, required doctors to handwrite the prescriptions unless it was for the treatment of epilepsy. Getting hold of barbiturates on the streets was very difficult after 1985 and the restrictions around them grew ever more stringent. I can't remember the exact figures but in England today about 10 million prescriptions for hypnotics are issued, 6 million for anxiolytics and about 7,000 for barbiturates for use other than treatment for epilepsy. I don't think I have written more than 300 prescriptions in total for amobarbital and secobarbital over the last 22 years. I never did find out what motivated that man. Perhaps he was a time-traveller from 1968 when British doctors were writing 25 million barbiturate prescriptions a year and was an addict long before his Bulgarian adventure.
 
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The reason he was kept on the phenobarbital was it appeared to completely control his 'condition'.
 
He's fucked if ATOS ever get a hold of him then 8o

Incidentally, as a doctor who knows about addiction, I'm sure you'd agree it's worth mentioning - for HR purposes - that addiction in and of itself is considered reason to be signed off work in and of itself so there is really no need to go to such extremes then or now.

ATOS permitting and all that.
 
Shambles said:
He's fucked if ATOS ever get a hold of him then 8o

Incidentally, as a doctor who knows about addiction, I'm sure you'd agree it's worth mentioning - for HR purposes - that addiction in and of itself is considered reason to be signed off work in and of itself so there is really no need to go to such extremes then or now.

ATOS permitting and all that.
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From a medical perspective there is no reason for the belief that everyone with an addiction is so non-functional that they cannot work. If that were even remotely true society would collapse around our ears. As for man without epilepsy he could have said he had a bad back and he would have been signed off sick. The government was encouraging doctors to qualify patients for invalidity benefit so the unemployment figures wouldn't look so bad. It wasn't just here but all over Europe. You couldn't move at a medical conference in the 1980s without being accosted by a Dutch doctor complaining that his job was no longer about healing the sick; it was about finding the ill and telling the government what a good job you had done.
 
I would say, however, that anyone who needs to take time off work to manage an addiction or release themselves from addiction should be treated by their employers in the same way they would treat any other employee with a medical issue.
 
To be fair, I used to nod from 9-1 so hard the other workers had to nudge me to go for lunch (or in my case, smoke a fuckload of crack to stir myself from the smack-induced stupor my mornings consisted of) and come back rushing my nads off and nipping out for a smoke every few minutes to finish using the industrial slicing machine I drudged my day through with for months until I had to eventually point out to management that I was so unsafe and incapable of functioning they really did need to sack me. True story.

Easier than yer man's shenigans for sure but then addiction has been what I've been signed off for for decades (they seem less interested in the bad back stuff which is at least as genuine but would mean a doctor would have to prescribe to fix rather than leave me to the black market) so can kindasorta see where the chap was coming from :D
 
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I am absolutely of the view that many people with an addiction have lives so complicated by it that they cannot meet the standards required by an employer. From what you say I would place you in that category but there are other categories. Some very skilled people with responsibilities extending far beyond their family circle are long term addicts.
 
Oh I know. I used to sell 'em individual rocks one at a time over the weekend to fund my habit. They didn't seem so responsible when rinsing their debit card at 3am to get another couple pipes but I suspect they could afford it in the grander scheme.
 
My biggest reason for deciding to come off opiate pain management after 20 years was mainly due to not wanting to be labeled an addict. My previous doctor was a lovely lady who knew my medical history inside out. The joint damage, the cancer everything. Work also knew about it and as long as I passed the DVLA requirements as being fit to drive were also cool. However, my old doctor retired and my new one was a complete bustard who took every opportunity to demean me and make me feel like a worthless piece of scum despite having my medical records in from of him and being able to see the reasons why I took what I took. I have never met a more thoroughly horrible doctor in my life.

Anyway, long story short but that's why I chose to come from 200ug/hr fentanyl patch to 180mg physeptone tablets then from 180 to 100 in 8 weeks before jumping completely. The past month or so has been horrible but it's over now. The point is that no pain patient should be made to go through that just out of fear of being labeled a "worthless addict" by a so called medical professional.

Regarding the story about the barbiturates guy above...surely the massive expense of these trips to eastern Europe would far exceed just buying the drugs on the black market...however rare the might be?.

It's also interesting that as barbs fell out-of favour, benzos became the "panacea " for anti-convulsant, anti-anxiolitic, anti-depressant, anti-everything..... Fast forward 30 years or so and benzos are now themselves seem as the literal work of Satan in the eyes of many prescribers as well....how times change.
 
pjd555 said:
From a medical perspective there is no reason for the belief that everyone with an addiction is so non-functional that they cannot work. If that were even remotely true society would collapse around our ears.
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/\ THIS. /\

Addiction isn't some sort of bogeyman to be feared and run away from. It's a comprehensible phenomenon. But right now, some people are earning a lot of money for pretending the opposite. Look at the twelve-steppers: demonstrably no more effective than sighing and hoping for the best, yet they earn big money out of court-ordered intervention programmes. Twelve-stepping doesn't even pretend to cure addiction; it simply labels it "uncured", then tries to avoid ever going near it again .....

pjd555 said:
I would say, however, that anyone who needs to take time off work to manage an addiction or release themselves from addiction should be treated by their employers in the same way they would treat any other employee with a medical issue.
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I'd go further and invoke one of my Rules for an Ideal Society; which is that a strong wall of separation should exist between a person's private and professional lives; and nothing that happens while you are "off the clock" and not wearing a company uniform, driving a company vehicle or in some other way representing the company, is any of the company's business.

I am convinced that one of the greatest obstacles to anyone needing help with an addiction is stigmatisation of the condition; people are dissuaded from seeking help at the earliest stages, when it is most likely to be effective, by the twelve-step hype.

Also, fuck the entire idea of an "external higher power" (and we all know exactly which particular "external higher power" they mean, irrespective of how much care some of them take never to say it out loud). I am the final arbiter of my own destiny, thank you very much, and I am certainly not some pathetic, miserable wretch who cannot be trusted to make a choice for myself.
 
Was like i said before life is a series of addictions and you cant cure the human condition. Life is pain and heroin is your quick answer, pain is the only reminder you exist though and not something that can be forgotten.
 
pjd555 I have much respect for you sticking around and participating in the discussions. I hope you will stay as does englandgz74 - we need people like you here.



Btw I'm Felix's wife;)
 
That´s very nice and interesting! I wonder how you two met..:)
The only time I met a BLighter, it was totally by coincidence in a plane.
This person was telling me about his broken back and pain management and suggested BL when I mentioned about my surgery.
What are the odds!
 
I'm sure they're nicer than me=D

Not that newly then kate, four years is a little while!!! I struggle to get females to be that enthusiastic about being involved with me after four months:!=D
 
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