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I.V. 25I-NBOMe / shooting 25I-NBOMe / 1000mcg

That's pretty much what he said; well, "set off".
Read his post. He said LSD "is known to set off disorders that DMT and psilocybin don't."
What are these disorders? It's complete bullshit and there's no evidence out there to support this claim... LSD is no more dangerous than DMT or psilocybin at all.
 
NBOMe is highly unpredictable and kills people in normal doses. You can take 1mg one day and have a great trip, then take the same amount another day and have a seizure or die painfully. That's what really pisses me off about this stuff.

This is nothing but scaremongering.....people have sometimes gotten wildly different effects from taking the same number of blotters, but as weadazoid explained above that's not an accurate way of dosing. AFAIK there's never been any reports of this kind of unpredictability from those of us who are measuring out powder.
 
I wouldn't recommend anyone shoot up 25I.. Ever.. I don't know a whole lot about the drug, but from what I've heard it can be dangerous even in moderate doses. I would definitely think about doing a little more research before deciding to do something as serious as this. Just my opinion.
 
The dose is too high, IV is 3-4x stronger than buccal administration at the very least, and being that it causes local numbing it's possible it's a local anaesthetic and constricts local blood vessels, making a missed shot more likely to cause necrosis or other problems (think krokodil pictures in worst case scenarios, a nasty abscess or maybe if you're real lucky nothing at all if you get away with it) - though I think with the small amount of material the risk would be low for necrosis.

The real risk comes from the seizure likelihood injecting such a dose. I now know 6 people who I've known for years in real life who have ended up in hospital, on the edge of death, all from NBOMes. Doses were all between 2 and 3mg (most around 2mg) with one exception being 3.5mg. 2mg can very easily cause a seizure which can very easily kill you, and the vasoconstriction and strain on your heart and blood pressure at such a dose can be pretty high too.

1mg IVed is more like 4mg+ buccal, and I would never recommend someone take 2mg buccal 25I after nearly losing one of my best friends to such a dose, it's like eating a gram of Tramadol, a lot of people will get away with it, and so a lot of people will post that such doses are safe, simply because seizures are not like say CNS depressant overdose, they're not a sure thing at a certain dose, it's just once you reach a certain dose, there is a very real, and not at all unlikely chance that you will actually die. I'm not trying to scare you, I'm being frankly honest.

If you want to take a psychedelic that'll give you crazy visuals like the NBOMes, not cause elevated blood pressure or heart strain in the same manner, and not cause you to quite possibly have a fatal (i.e. you die) seizure just by shooting up 0.4-0.5mg or so, then take LSD or AL-LAD or a 2C-x or Mescaline or DMT or some other psychedelic that isn't loading up a gun with some bullets and pulling the trigger to your head and hoping you get an empty chamber like high dose NBOMes are.

No, IVing 1mg of 25I-NBOMe is not safe. I would not recommend IVing 25I at all for the above reasons since IV makes all these things more likely, but if you ignore my advice and choose to IV anyway, 200mcg (0.2mg, or less) should be enough for a strong trip if you have good material to begin with. To do this, place your blotter in 1ml of water (or something your particular salt/freebase of 25I is soluble in, look it up if you dont know, or ask here), leave it to soak for an hour or so, then take the blotter out, take a micron filter, draw up 20ccs of water (0.2ml) and there's your 200mcg~. You can use a cotton bud or cigarette filter if you can't get a micron filter, but for the dollar the filter will cost you, you avoid getting ink and some of the bacteria that will be all over that blotter, who knows how many hands it's passed through. In fact, considering how much blotter is handled, unless you know everyone down the pipeline and that they have nothing you could catch, I'd avoid IVing without first sterilising the solution. At best you can add a drop or two of Ethanol but remember the total volume of solution so you can divide to get your proper dose accordingly. Don't try to heat to sterilise the solution as this will likely damage the 25I.

Please reconsider the whole idea, if you want a mindblowing IV psychedelic experience, grab some clean and pure DMT fumarate and enjoy ;)

Also, if you have never IVed before, do not even remotely consider IVing anything to begin with is my advice. I know in all the bullshit they teach kids in many countries about most drugs that's so horribly inaccurate it actually *encourages* kids to try drugs since they see their education on them is laughable - there was only one thing I remember in the big bad anti-drug leaflet that was 100% accurate - no, when I tried heroin, I didn't get hooked first try, I never took it again (though I was already an opiate addict and opiates will get you hooked, just in a different manner, so don't take this as me condoning them in the slightest aside from for legitimate pain, maintenance, or other genuine reasons for their use), no weed did not make me want to rush out and try every drug under the sun, being moved country to one of the drug capitals of Europe because my mother said we had to move to get me away from my "dealer friends" made me want to rush out and try every drug under the sun, no dealer ever tried to give me "free samples to get me hooked", tripping doesn't make you see people who aren't there (well not psychedelics anyway, stim psychosis and deliriants.. well thats a whole other kettle of fish)... but the moment I pushed down on the plunger successfully the first time, I was a changed man and I don't know if or when I'll ever stop thinking about needles.

Psychedelics (well, not NBOMes, but other psychedelics) are the only class of drugs I view as *solely* beneficial if used by the right people at the right time in the right place, don't go from a psychedelic user to an IVer if you weren't already. It doesn't necessarily matter what you inject the first time, it's a surreal thing I can't for the life of me explain.
 
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This is nothing but scaremongering.....people have sometimes gotten wildly different effects from taking the same number of blotters, but as weadazoid explained above that's not an accurate way of dosing. AFAIK there's never been any reports of this kind of unpredictability from those of us who are measuring out powder.

Dig deeper. People have experienced fairly serious adverse reactions at recreational doses, while others have reportedly been fine on considerably heroic doses.

What would you rather take from that - NBOMe compounds can be safe in high doses, or NBOMe compounds can be potentially dangerous in normal doses?

IMO, if you'd rather believe (and god forbid spread) the former, you're participating in the wrong community forum and should not be posting such things as they don't fall within HR ideals. Fear mongering as you put it however does, even if it's overkill.
 
Sorry as you can see I didn't read the OP very well, it seems you already IV? Or are you just interested in trying? If it's the latter, please don't, if I can stop at least one person from trying IV then that'll make my daily regret that I did a little easier to manage.

I would not recommend anyone to take over 1-1.5mg of any NBOMe buccally, ideally far less, and with other more potent ROAs the dose should be reduced accordingly, but with extra leg room to account for how much faster it hits you.

The NBOMes are not safe drugs to play around with, there's only so much leg room to play with them, and if you try to push that, you might dodge a bullet, or you might not.. Would you inject a syringe you were told had fentanyl in it, without knowing the dosage? Just that it was between 10mcg and 100mg? Running the risk of death if you get unlucky? Would you jump in the motorway and hope the car stops in time? If you wouldn't do all of those things, you shouldn't take this exact same risk by messing around with high dose NBOMes.

With 25I, 1-1.5mg buccal is really as far as you can go, and if you have any increased seizure likelihood inherent to you, or mix it with other drugs, even those doses could be unsafe.
0.3-0.4mg nasal is the furthest I'd go with that, same for plugging.
0.1-0.2mg IV is the furthest you should push IV.

But really if you want NBOMes, you're probably drawn to them by their intensity, and there are drugs out there that provide the same level of intensity, with a much deeper and more enjoyable experience, and without those same risks! Tons of them too. Only DOB-DragonFLY (Bromo-Dragonfly) and the NBOMes are this toxic when it comes to the psychedelics really, and I'd rather play with the former than the latter if I'm quite frank (which I'd rather not do either!).

For what it's worth, several of the 6 people I spoke about had taken the same substance they nearly died from at higher doses on 5-6 or more occasions before without incident. SEVERE SARCASM WARNING: [begin severe sarcasm] I've also taken a gram of Tramadol without any protection from seizures, I'm alive - so guys, Tramadol can't cause seizures at a gram, my one incident free high is concrete proof of that. Hell I even got a couple more highs at similar doses and lived through those too. [really, this is actually true] Totally concrete proof, Tramadol doesn't cause seizures, it's all fearmongering! [/end severe sarcasm]

Seizures, the main cause of death and hospitalisations by NBOMes, are somewhat of a random event, once you cross over a certain dose, there is a certain chance you will have a seizure, there is then a chance you will survive that seizure, or it will be fatal, or it will be somewhere inbetween and cause harm but not kill you. So they're almost the worst form of overdose, because most people will push the dose higher and higher until they see some signs of something bad, and those signs don't come, even when you cross the safe dose range into the dangerous one, unless you actually have the seizure, in which case your clock is ticking and you may be about to lose your life.
 
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Dig deeper. People have experienced fairly serious adverse reactions at recreational doses, while others have reportedly been fine on considerably heroic doses.

The post I was responding to said that a user could take 1mg one day and be fine, and then the same user could take the same 1mg dose another day and be killed out of the blue. There's no evidence for that happening. But if you have some, please share it instead of insinuating that I must have poor research skills.

The problem with scaremongering is that it leads you to overstate your case, and then you lose credibility when your exaggerated claims are proven false (see also: LSD mutates your chromosomes, PCP turns scary ghetto dudes into unstoppable cop killers, etc.)

With 25I, 1-1.5mg buccal is really as far as you can go, and if you have any increased seizure likelihood inherent to you, or mix it with other drugs, even those doses could be unsafe.

This is also where I would put the maximum dosage level, having tried it about 20 times at dosages from 0.5-1.3mg. Which is why I think it's insane that most 25I blotters *start* at 1mg.
 
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Read his post. He said LSD "is known to set off disorders that DMT and psilocybin don't."
What are these disorders? It's complete bullshit and there's no evidence out there to support this claim... LSD is no more dangerous than DMT or psilocybin at all.

Well, LSD has been widely studied, whereas DMT and psilocybin haven't, so there is a lot more evidence and research relating to LSD.

It is pretty widely accepted that LSD can exacerbate or trigger latent psychosis in those that way inclined, so we are talking about things like schizophrenia. I don't believe there is any evidence that it is a causal factor in those not otherwise predisposed, but it can act as a catalystin the right circumstances. As I said, this appears to be exceedingly rare, but is a factor we should all be aware of. I suppose it is anecdotal more then anything though. Still, are you really confident enough to say that LSD is safe? When treated correctly with forethought and planning, it is incredibly safe, the same way that we control the risks of many activities. Rock climbing is safe if done correctly.
 
The post I was responding to said that a user could take 1mg one day and be fine, and then the same user could take the same 1mg dose another day and be killed out of the blue. There's no evidence for that happening. But if you have some, please share it instead of insinuating that I must have poor research skills.

The problem with scaremongering is that it leads you to overstate your case, and then you lose credibility when your exaggerated claims are proven false (see also: LSD mutates your chromosomes, PCP turns scary ghetto dudes into unstoppable cop killers, etc.)

Fair enough. While I'm sure it's still remotely possible due to many varying factors, my comment was more to do with "just because user A was fine with dosage-X, it does not at all mean user B will also be fine at that same dose".

NBOMes HAVE killed; LSD has not. To even hint that NBOMe compounds are "safe" at any recreational dosage is not HR advice and shouldn't be repeated. If you absolutely insist that their (lack of) safety profile is blown out of proportion due to fear mongering - please, for at least the case of 25-X-NBOMe compounds (ESPECIALLY when considering IV injection), not commenting at all would be better HR advice than what some have spread in here thus far.
 
Read his post. He said LSD "is known to set off disorders that DMT and psilocybin don't."
What are these disorders? It's complete bullshit and there's no evidence out there to support this claim... LSD is no more dangerous than DMT or psilocybin at all.
Your half understanding me and that's my fault. It's more or less a negative experience can be much more devastating and lasting it seems vs issues that come up during other psych trip. While neither is inheritedly safe or dangerous one definitely deserves a different and more severe respect. That's all...
 
DOI has a 5-HT2a affinity of 0.68 nM. That's considred a full agonist. 25I NBOMe has affinity of 0.044, which is a lot worse (lower means stronger) but DOI is still pretty strong and I'm sure it would kill you if you took enough.

DOI acts as a partial agonist at 5HT-2A, affinity has nothing to do with its activity. Compounds can have extremely high affinities for a target receptor and produce no effect on the cell, you then have yourself a potent antagonist. Partial agonists cause some activity as a result of receptor activation and full agonists cause the "full" effects. Usually this is determined by looking at the change of calcium influx.

Take enough of anything and it'll kill you...
 
This is nothing but scaremongering.....people have sometimes gotten wildly different effects from taking the same number of blotters, but as weadazoid explained above that's not an accurate way of dosing. AFAIK there's never been any reports of this kind of unpredictability from those of us who are measuring out powder.
People have died after taking normal doses of this stuff and it's extremely easy to overdose on. This makes it totally worthless. Other than kill you for no fucking reason it doesn't do anything that the safer alternatives don't do... it's a bad drug and that's that.

From a harm-reduction point of view, you'd actually be better off playing with heroin. It's a lot gentler on the body and way more predictable in its effects.

Your half understanding me and that's my fault. It's more or less a negative experience
BULLSHIT.
Have you ever even tried LSD before? It's one of the most euphoric, recreational and popular psychedelics out there and the visuals are second to none. It's like the holy grail of hallucinogens.

can be much more devastating and lasting it seems vs issues that come up during other psych trip. While neither is inheritedly safe or dangerous one definitely deserves a different and more severe respect. That's all...
Wrong. Psilocybin and DMT will also bite you in the ass if you're not careful. The reason you hear about LSD causing so many bad trips is because it's everywhere... even nowadays it's probably the most commonly used psychedelic drug in the world.
 
recklessness is not good
fear mongering is not good

let kids know that this is potentially deadly
and that it is hard to play in a safe dosage range with this stuff

but you must be honest, as some kids will experiment, and low dose nbomes can be good, empathy producing, time enhancers.
if this is denied, then the danger of high dose will be ignored, since some people will assume that it was just fear mongering.

balanced honest info is important.

please don't shoot this stuff
 
^ Another possible reason for it causing bad trips is because it's commonly misrepresented. Acid is probably up there in the top 5 drugs that can turn out to be something you didn't pay for. Appropriate note for the thread: a lot of the time it is an NBOMe that has been sold instead of acid, and these are where a lot of the bad or dangerous experiences are coming from.
 
BULLSHIT.
Have you ever even tried LSD before? It's one of the most euphoric, recreational and popular psychedelics out there and the visuals are second to none. It's like the holy grail of hallucinogens.


Wrong. Psilocybin and DMT will also bite you in the ass if you're not careful. The reason you hear about LSD causing so many bad trips is because it's everywhere... even nowadays it's probably the most commonly used psychedelic drug in the world.
Check your attitude as your getting hostile. Who cares if I'm right or wrong? I'm just acknowledging the real risks LSD has that I know psilocin doesn't and assume other tryptamine share the activity of related compounds so we can even talk about 4-aco-dmt to al-lad. While it's not known fact it's very likely the classical tryptamine compounds don't have the dopamine activity lsd is known to have and most ergot based tryptamine share..... Prescription anti psychotics block dopamine. Do you see the connection? There are real dangers to acknowledge and judging my knowledge based on if you think I've taken lsd or not.

I'm not saying either is safe or dangerous or just pointing out real risks that seem to be more likely to come out and be reinforced due to the dopamine activity above.

Don't take it as an attack on your level of responsibility with using drugs
 
I personally would never advice somebody to do this with these nbome chemicals. 25i already has a pretty steep come-up that can leave you feeling very uncomfortable for awhile. I can only imagine going baseline to +++, or even + in a matter of seconds.

I would say if you are going to do it, cut the dosage down at gradually find a sweet spot for yourself. You can also go higher, but never lower!
 
Check your attitude as your getting hostile. Who cares if I'm right or wrong? I'm just acknowledging the real risks LSD has that I know psilocin doesn't and assume other tryptamine share the activity of related compounds so we can even talk about 4-aco-dmt to al-lad. While it's not known fact it's very likely the classical tryptamine compounds don't have the dopamine activity lsd is known to have and most ergot based tryptamine share..... Prescription anti psychotics block dopamine. Do you see the connection? There are real dangers to acknowledge and judging my knowledge based on if you think I've taken lsd or not.

I'm not saying either is safe or dangerous or just pointing out real risks that seem to be more likely to come out and be reinforced due to the dopamine activity above.

Don't take it as an attack on your level of responsibility with using drugs
OK so LSD does have dopaminergic activity... you're right about that. But what does that have to do with its safety?

Sorry if I sounded hostile, but you obviously know a thing or two about the pharmacology of psychedelics so it frustrates me that you would jump to such a conclusion. It's the kind of thing I would expect to hear from the "LSD drains your spinal fluid and makes you think you can fly" crew.

There's nothing in the medical literature that suggests LSD is more dangerous than psilocin or DMT. It doesn't damage 5HT or dopamine receptors and as for prescription antipsychotics... what does that have to do with anything? A lot of antipsychotics block 5HT receptors as well, as I'm sure you know. If you need to take antipsychotics then you shouldn't be taking psychedelics of any kind.
It's pretty pointless to talk about which psychedelic is the most dangerous for people with psychosis because they're all bad in that respect. Respect your health and don't dabble in these substances if you have a mental illness.
 
Prescription anti psychotics block dopamine. Do you see the connection?

Simple as that... LSD has obvious risks that other classic tryptamine compounds barely share. I think LSD is very useful and can be used for end of life anxiety to face the end and have the extra activity and support to look at the end.... Psilocybin and dmt I think are safer for awakenings.

Honestly I don't care to explain it if you don't see it. We all have a lot of learning to do especially with these compounds. I never pointed one out as greater or less except in the aspect of likelyhood to set off underlying disorders... Really though of course no one should trip without understanding, acknowledging, and preparing for possible interaction while also letting go with whatever happens.

I'm trying to be unbiased for OP as LSD is something quite amazing
 
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