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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine / MXE Thread - Part 16 - Sweet 16 mind-control machine

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^Do you have dissociative experience/tolerance? I only ask becauuse 30mgs of pure mxe should be a full dose(nice and warm experience) for someone with no tolerance, especially when used with weed. Is boom a typo or aussie-talk for alcohol? If so I would try it without alcohol as it's so much better without alcohol imo. A beer or glass of wine is alright for taking the edge off high doses I suppose. I feel like any amount of alcohol would ruin a small dose of mxe but remember YMMV and all that.
 
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I found 30mg boring and a bit weak even at the beginning. I've always stuck around 40-55mg for a repeatable experience.
 
I've had K once before, no idea on dosage, but was much more in line with what I would expect for a dissociative experience (somewhat immobilised, "stuck" on a sunbed for a while haha)

hahaha just replace "boom" with "all of a sudden" I don't drink at all :P quite literally I just felt compelled to lay down and nap. Admittedly I was already quite sleepy, so maybe MXE wasn't the best idea. But I was impatient lol.

It really did dead set feel like 10-15mg of valium (and I have ZERO benzo tolerance). Very sedating. Drunk. Sleepy. No real psychedelic headspace above what weed produces alone.
 
no way 30mg of mxe is a full dose orally even wihout tolerance for me, my girlfriend and my friend all without tolerance.
maybe rectal, but orally, no way. 30 mg without tolerance is fun and very smooth. its around 50 that it becomes to be strong for me and my friend, without tolerance. I must say, I think for recreational dosage only, I will always begin with 40mg orally.
I find the dosage around 50mg was very confusing. so I guess its better to go for the holes higher or stay within the fun part around 30-40mg orally.

it was my first two experience of mxe last week. what a chemical. beautiful stuff!
but will go for 30mg rectal next time, should be enough for holing? to hole orally, would 70mg be enough?
 
trozzle said:
It really did dead set feel like 10-15mg of valium (and I have ZERO benzo tolerance). Very sedating. Drunk. Sleepy. No real psychedelic headspace above what weed produces alone.
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Sounds fishy. If anything mxe should wake you up a bit. I WISH mxe was sedating so I didn't have to take a benzo to get to sleep when using at night. Regarding the post above I really feel like I remember insufflating 20mgs of pureish mxe producing a nice warm buzz when I first started using. That memory and the fact that the majority of people say oral is stronger than insufflation makes me think that if you are using pure mxe that 30mgs is plenty for someone without a tolerance for a full experience. Mabey(most definitely) my memory's hazey.
 
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I need to adjust set and setting imo. First thing in the morning, or around midday. Not late arvo when I'm already wrecked lol
 
I think that would be much better for you. When we are young and full of energy, we don't notice how irregular sleep patterns or sleep deprivation affect us, but it's effects are accumulative, and sooner or later comes pay day
 
I guess it depends what a full experience is? if full experience is holing, no you cannot hole with 30mg orally even without tolerance. we were three, without any tolerance, and 30mg was very nice, disso experience, but no holes even close!

we then pushed it and the cummulative of all the dose brought us close to 60mg and then it was pretty strong, but still no holing. but I dont know what is a hole though :). but it was then very strong and psychadelic. I cannot explain what happened, but it was amazing. I felt like a block, and my cev was very special. like concepts flying over me, building blocks of sorts. I felt like in 1 dimension, like everything was totally flat, my self. anyways!
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Sounds fishy. If anything mxe should wake you up a bit. I WISH mxe was sedating so I didn't have to take a benzo to get to sleep when using at night. Regarding the post above I really feel like I remember insufflating 20mgs of pureish mxe producing a nice warm buzz when I first started using. That memory and the fact that the majority of people say oral is stronger than insufflation makes me think that if you are using pure mxe that 30mgs is plenty for someone without a tolerance for a full experience. Mabey(most definitely) my memory's hazey.
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^I consider an experience to be full when you get to feel the full range of effects without necessarily diving down the deep end. 300mgs of dxm is a good example for someone my size. My first experience with mxe iirc was 20mgs insufflated and it was extremely warm and gave me a moderate sense of the same beautiful sort of introspection that made dxm one of my D.O.C.s at the time. There's a good chance I had somewhat of an acute tolerance(can't remember if I was using d.x.m. at the time) but I definitely had a perma-tolerance from several years of abuse. Despite any of possible tolerances(3rd times the charm) that 20mgs produced a wonderful headspace and wonderful body buzz.
 
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It's funny to keep hearing the word "warm" thrown around. MXE makes me extremely cold physically.
 
^I associate it with "warm" as well though. I'm not sure why. I don't really ever feel cold on it though, that I do know. I feel like there is an inherent warmth to the character of the MXE experience itself, perhaps we all mean "warm" in a more abstract sense.

On another note, I figured out the other night after bathing in the bliss of a ball python slinking all over me, that the tactile hallucinations I get on MXE in the peak period feel very much like the experience of multiple snakes slowly slinking across my body and constricting my arms and legs. Anyone else get this? It's only right at the peak, when I near what I assume to be the "M-Hole". And while it sounds quite creepy, I really quite enjoy the sensation.
 
It's definitely warmth in an abstract sense. Human brains have a strong association between physical warmth and comfort, happiness, contentment, etc. MXE tends to be a positive experience, and when added to a psychedelic almost a protector from negative thought loops, so yes, warm.

Also, murphythecat, 60mg of good MXE is definitely enough to hole with. "I cannot explain what happened, but it was amazing. I felt like a block, and my cev was very special. like concepts flying over me, building blocks of sorts. I felt like in 1 dimension, like everything was totally flat, my self. anyways!" sounds pretty damn close to holing to me.
 
I'd be curious to know how those who have indeed M-Hole'd, or have at least taken 100mg+ in a short period, would describe the M-Hole. My experience of it only touches the 60-70mg range, and the way I define the M-Hole IME is a feeling of being the room, or being the carpet, or being pulled and contorted and moved in a manner which is beyond belief and entirely out of my control, coupled with an extremely blissful state in which I am overjoyed about being the room, or the carpet, or being contorted and twisted in odd manners.

Keep in mind though, I have never even tried Ketamine, and thus have no other reference for what a hole is outside of my subjective MXE experiences and what I have read from others.
 
my next experiment will be 80mg orally. damn, I feel this will be deep and intense!

ive done some research around the net from bluelight thread. heres the most interesting charts:


25-50mg is a little more interesting - music, video games, films are all awesome.
50-80mg is the bizarre Twilight zone where I can hit confusion. Just standing there, conscious, not knowing what time it is, where I am or what I'm doing. Very difficult to snap out of although not overwhelmingly scary - just annoying.
80mg+ is breakthrough, vibrating pleasure with amazing CEVs and spiritual revelations. Just make sure you're lying down. Only annoying thing for me is that music and sound can be quite tinny and jerky, making music not as good as lower doses.


I checked my dose log, and I've added the most enthusiastic comments about doses in the 20-40mg range.
40-80mg: there's usually no real satisfaction reached. If there are comments, they are about bodily discomfort and confusion.
Then, in the 80-120mg range, things get interesting again. Here be them holes!
Going higher than 120mg leaves telling blanks in the comments column. Amnesia and shame, I guess.


(all doses here are sublingual, for oral, increase dose 20-30%, but expect a longer duration)
For stimulation: 5-9mg
For mood lift/light relaxation: 10-25mg
For dissociation/relaxation: 26-40mg (good for gaming/films, lets you absorb yourself in the films while not quite holing)
Hole: ~60mg+

I don't mention 41-59mg because the dose between dissociation and holing is no more enjoyable than the lower doses, and wastes more material since you're not actually holing yet.
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I'd be curious to know how those who have indeed M-Hole'd, or have at least taken 100mg+ in a short period, would describe the M-Hole. My experience of it only touches the 60-70mg range, and the way I define the M-Hole IME is a feeling of being the room, or being the carpet, or being pulled and contorted and moved in a manner which is beyond belief and entirely out of my control, coupled with an extremely blissful state in which I am overjoyed about being the room, or the carpet, or being contorted and twisted in odd manners.

Keep in mind though, I have never even tried Ketamine, and thus have no other reference for what a hole is outside of my subjective MXE experiences and what I have read from others.
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240sxLover, I wouldn't define the hole simply by proprioceptive hallucination as I've holed 5-10 times without significant "movement".
 
Reaching that mental place where you feel connected to everything, the universe I guess. That kind of infinite void behind your eyelids.
 
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I'd be curious to know how those who have indeed M-Hole'd, or have at least taken 100mg+ in a short period, would describe the M-Hole. My experience of it only touches the 60-70mg range, and the way I define the M-Hole IME is a feeling of being the room, or being the carpet, or being pulled and contorted
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My m-holes always feel like I am floating on my back in a dark stream of data and music while my soul/ego inflates to the point that it feels connected with everything. Music and darkness is are the most important factors when trying to hole ime.
 
I agree. I have never been able to "hole" on a dissociative unless I'm laying down with my eyes closed. Music helps tremendously and also helps in giving it a lot more content. I define a hole as a state in which you are no longer aware of your body, or only aware if you concentrate on it or open your eyes, and you are entirely voyaging within your own mind. I've even hit the oneness a la classic psychedelics in a hole before, where I felt I had reached a singularity and awoken into the universal consciousness in its pure form.
 
I'm usually able to hole on MXE by sitting in the lotus position in the dark while listening to ambient drone sounds (like this). I also light incense every time; the smell helps me to reconnect with the same mental space.
 
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