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If weed isn't a "real" psychedelic how do you explain arabesque/hindu art?

Beliefs are neat, cherish them just don't share them like they're the truth.
 
Doldrugs said:
Astrology doesn't make sense to anyone with a brain.
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Depends what you mean by sense i suppose. You don't have to believe in magic or in planets directly influencing humans to see how divinatory systems can be a way to tap into intuition in some way. The arbitrary system used to impose intuitive interpretation on is maybe unimportant - the intuitive skill of the interpreter would be the main factor.

On astrology, i've often thought that maybe the planets are just a handy way of marking specific cycles of time - eg in the simplest sense, anyone born in a certain year will share experiences at certain times of their life; this could be analogous to a certain sign of jupiter (cycle 12 years?); or anyone born in a certain sign of neptune (10-20 years?) would be in the same 'generation' and so would share experiences on another level; maybe this is true in some (mysterious) sense with shorter cycles of human activity corresponding to love and war - so there's no direct interaction of forces needed between the planets and people, just a use of resonances of the various cycles of the solar system as a marker to measure similar resonances in human activity. That's not to say i think that's really true (or that most/all astrology isn't just confirmation bias), i've just idly thought it could be a better way to justify 'advanced' astrology than the usual efforts.
 
Science has repeatedly examined astrology. When subjected to unbiased examination it is conclusively shown to be meaningless. Science can't disprove gods but it has no trouble disproving astrology. While I believe in neither, one is the clear loser.
 
Ismene said:
Got round to reading a bit of it - difficult to take anything they say seriously. Like that picture of the "liberty cap" on the church door - it's easy to find some picture of something that looks vaguely like a mushroom, take it out of context and then claim it as evidence. Obviously if you havn't got a fucking clue what you are looking at then you go "Dude, that looks like a liberty cap to me". 2 minutes actually researching it proves it's a fucking fig tree. Makes you wonder why these people didn't do that research before claiming it as a mushroom.
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True.
 
Doldrugs said:
Science has repeatedly examined astrology. When subjected to unbiased examination it is conclusively shown to be meaningless. Science can't disprove gods but it has no trouble disproving astrology. While I believe in neither, one is the clear loser.
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Well yes, but there are other forms of value than scientific; as i said, divination can be an arbitrary way to tap into the intuition, which can have value for some people - intuition can produce high level thinking not accessible to our conscious mind (or gobbledegook) - science at heart is built on intuition and intuitive leaps (though it often consists of testing and then disproving that intuition (via further intuitive leaps))
 
Astrology has clear rules. If this, then that. There's no room for "intuition," there's no way to glean useful information from it. It's 100% useless.
 
But it's all in the interpretation of how it relates to the target of the reading isn't it? Plenty of room for intuition i'd say (or gobbledegook) - i'm not advocating for astrology here, but i can see it might have similar 'utitlity' to reading the i ching, tarot or that sort of stuff - as a way of tapping into or communicating with your (or the reader's) subconscious or intuition (that's not to say it isn't also/mostly used for waffle and magical thinking)
 
Astrology is a belief system that cannot be disproven by science. Your assertion to the contrary makes me wonder how much you know about science. It's clear that you know nothing of astrology.
 
RhythmSpring said:
so... how bout that arabesque/hindu art? eh? eh?
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it's very trippy:
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Dresden said:
Astrology is a belief system that cannot be disproven by science. Your assertion to the contrary makes me wonder how much you know about science. It's clear that you know nothing of astrology.
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Not only has astrology been disproven by science, it's been disproven time and time again. It's a favorite target of science. The original Cosmos with Carl Sagan had a section on it. The fact that you don't know this suggests you know very little about both subjects, yourself. Feel free to do some basic googling.
 
Dresden said:
People are entitled to believe whatever they want to, even if what they believe doesn't make sense to you, and there's nothing you can do about it.
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i can silently judge you for believing in something silly, which i am doing at present.

astrology may have merit from an artistic or poetic perspective, but to actually believe it to be a predictive system is foolish.
 
No one uses predictive astrology anymore. Modern astrology is all about personalities and temporal moods. The best astrologers also tend to have a keen sense of intuition. If nothing else, astrology is useful as a (predictive) psychological tool in the study of personalities. It is also of interest to the Jungian school of psychological thought. I recommend the book, "Linda Goodman's Sun Signs," if you're curious. Also, James Braha's book, "How to Be a Great Astrologer," is the definitive text regarding planetary aspects. However, the beginner should start with Linda Goodman, as her characterization of the 12 basic personality types is beyond parallel.

"The hard headed never learn."--Wu-Tang.
 
Dresden said:
No one uses predictive astrology anymore. Modern astrology is all about personalities and temporal moods.
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isn't that essentially trying to be predictive though? it's attempting to use astrological "data" to predict what a person's personality is like, and thus how the details of their lives will play out.

like i said, i'm not so uptight that i can't appreciate the poetic/artistic aspects of astrology. but it lacks any merit beyond that. astrology has been scientifically debunked repeatedly to the point that the issue has been beaten to death.

believe what you want, i promise you i couldn't care less what you believe. but if i were you i would be careful about what type of company i tell about those beliefs, unless you want to make yourself look really stupid in front of people who know better.
 
Thanks for the seemingly well intentioned advice, but while I don't go out of my way to publicize my beliefs, anybody who even remotely knows me already knows that I know a lot about astrology. You would probably be surprised by how many people aren't as condemning of the subject as you and Doldrugs seem to be.
 
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