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EADD Heroin discussion v.20 -- You've come a long way baby

I know that feeling mate....emotions seem to be suppressed by opiates and come back with a vengece when u stop. I went to put flowers on my mums grave the other day and cried my eyes out for a good 15 minutes.....human emotions mate nowt to hide....

Your a good man mate...be proud of your life and your accomishnents ��
 
5StarSquatHotel said:
I found the worst mistake I made during my last detox was telling the services. Once I was in a full on 2mg sub cluck and was swarmed with demons and voices I called and said I cant cope and they said I would have to re-apply and wait 6 weeks, I held out another 2 days then used. Wish I did not tell them my plan and could of reverted back to my script rather than gear although then you have the temptation of that... Good luck anyway Fubz, you can do it.
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Mate, you're spot on there. I believe there's something like a 2 week window before you have to go back on the waiting list after coming off. I think I'll speed up my reduction unofficially just in case I can't hack it and need to go back up.
 
I remembetr balling my eyes out when bouncer died in neighbors coming out of one of many wd's - thought i posted this earlier but i was overdoing a bit today 2.5 bags and a blue. I was meant to drive over to e.london to score but couldnt keep me peepers open long enough ... : )
 
after 6 days,the juice won't have had time to really build up in your system,so you are probably in the same position as fubar now.
what it has done is broken the habit
I admire what you are both doing cos even going from meth to a fent patch,i still felt the meth w/d's
so you both got much bigger balls than me
 
Well, now as I enter Week Four, I seem to be getting a cold. And it feels exactly like withdrawals. (Come to think of it, wasn't Heroin originally marketed as a cold and 'flu remedy?) Definitely not going to cave in and score, though -- I still have my eye on the prize.
 
Wow. That's some willpower you got there Julie. The last couple of times I managed to sack the meth, I came down with a cold from hell. It's almost as if your body stores up illnesses while you're on opiates, then releases them all in one go when you come off.
 
BecomingJulie said:
Well, now as I enter Week Four, I seem to be getting a cold. And it feels exactly like withdrawals. (Come to think of it, wasn't Heroin originally marketed as a cold and 'flu remedy?) Definitely not going to cave in and score, though -- I still have my eye on the prize.
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Yes Bayer pharmaceuticals originally marketed heroin as a cough suppressant. Incidentally the guy who invented heroin also invented aspirin at the same time (or rather discovered aspirins as its not really an invention due to I being naturally occurring) and he couldn't see either of them becoming popular.

Heroin was discovered while looking into isolating the analgesic properties of morphine whilest minimising its affictive properties. Bayer convinced themselves that heroin was a safe non addictive alternative to morphine and as well as being an effective cough suppressant, could be used as a 'non-addictive' substitute for morphine and clyld be used to wean morphine, cocaine and alcohol addicts from their DOC.

Their reasoning for it being non-addictive was that the dogs they tested it on didn't look as I they were addicted (doh!!).

Honestly if you look into some of the early work done with the marketing and testing of heroin it would be laughable if I wasn't for the untold misery the drug has caused since then
 
englandgz74 said:
Yes Bayer pharmaceuticals originally marketed heroin as a cough suppressant. Incidentally the guy who invented heroin also invented aspirin at the same time (or rather discovered aspirins as its not really an invention due to I being naturally occurring) and he couldn't see either of them becoming popular.

Heroin was discovered while looking into isolating the analgesic properties of morphine whilest minimising its affictive properties. Bayer convinced themselves that heroin was a safe non addictive alternative to morphine and as well as being an effective cough suppressant, could be used as a 'non-addictive' substitute for morphine and clyld be used to wean morphine, cocaine and alcohol addicts from their DOC.

Their reasoning for it being non-addictive was that the dogs they tested it on didn't look as I they were addicted (doh!!).

Honestly if you look into some of the early work done with the marketing and testing of heroin it would be laughable if I wasn't for the untold misery the drug has caused since then
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I know heroin was used for babies and small children often.
those were the days,eh?
I had a lodger a few years back and his gf had a terrible bad cough and would keep us all up at night,so one evening i gave her a teaspoon of meth,just telling her it was a cough suppressant.we all slept well that night!
 
Yeah they sold heroin lozenges as cough suppressants and marketed them as safe for kids.

All opiates have antitussive effects (stops you coughing)....codeine being the most popular one but diamorphine is still used to releave unproductive cough in paiilative care.

Its interesting that up until relatively recently (since early 60s)..'street' heroin was u known as almost all heroin came from diverted or legitimately prescribed pharmaceutical stocks.

Even though I don't take it I find reading about the history of drugs fascinating.

Totally off topic but I was ordering some stock for work of my bits and bobs and looking at the PPA web site under cost of drugs back tariff for August '14 and there is a price quoted for "diamorphine powder...2 grams £56..and change...not an amp or a vial just 2g of raw powder. doesn't appear any other month... Just August....was a bit of a mystery...but I'm a sad cunt lol!
 
Engz, check out the Politics of Heroin in SE Asia, bitch to read, but very informative, also one called Opium (not sure on the author and there are several with that title, i'll have to dig it out and check.

its interesting to see how much Opium a rural Lincolnshire village consumed per annum in the 19th century...
 
Yeah thanks I'll check those out....apparently in some Cornish villages back then you would get a knob of opium in with you glass of ale....kind of like an ice cream float.....but with opium haha!!! ��
 
Hey mate...how are you?
The WDs are brutal man...but I'm coping...on about day 8...you know I read somewhere that coming off 100+ isn't any different than co.ing off 5-10....the symptoms are about the same....you can do it mate.

If I can then you can..... Try to get some lofexadine or clonidine...helps a lot also some pregabalin or gabapentin if you can get it....also a benzo but I've had to do without the benzo.

The pain isn't as bad as i thought it would be....my naproxen script helps with that....i think the opiates were making the pain worse tbh....hyperalgesia...

Honestly mate its all in the head....if you think "oh no this will be awful" then it will be but if you attack it with the right attitude its easier.....don't get me wrong its still hard but you'll get there mate.
 
englandgz, I think I would have caved in way before day 8 - or at least be sat at home feeling very sorry for myself instead of carrying on working like you're doing. Mucho respect man!

The very first gear rattle I experienced I was working away as a shopfitter and didn't know I'd actually got a habit until I ran out. I had to work through it as I didn't know where to score and felt too ill to go looking. That was probably the longest week of my life so I've got some idea what you've been going through. I'd just started feeling better by the time I got home, so like a fuckin idiot I scored again - straight back to square one. 20 years later and I've never managed to get further than 2 days into a rattle since :-(

Just had to look up hyperalgesia - not heard of it before - very strange.. However, I have noticed that gear or meth seem to be useless with some kinds of pain and in particular often made toothache and some headaches worse - which is kind of counterintuitive...

Anyway, I'm not too bad thanks, but I've got a bastard cold now so I'm aching all over anyway. I've got a source of gabapentin if required but I'll wait until I jump off completely before deciding whether to use it. Take care mate....
 
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Yeah I think what may have happened is my joint condition improved at some point in the last 20 years but my doc still kept prescribing the opiates which made me more sensitive to pain (hyperalgesia) and i probably didn't need them as much as I thought...don't get me wrong in still in a lot of pain but think I can deal with iit with NSAIDs, pregabalin and stuff like that....im determines to get off the meth....you'd think at day 8 I would have turned a corner but I don't feel like its even peaked yet.

I had a similar experience to yours when I went to Dublin for a few days for a conference and was on 500mg MST which I stupidly left at home....now that was a tough rattle!!...they had to I inject me with anti-emetics and anti-diahorrial drugs just to let me fly home...i was shitting and puking at the same time....it was awful. The meth withdrawals are different in that they aren't as bard hitting straight away..... no puking at all but its just that horrible...cant rest or sit still....hot /cold flushes, fatigued feeling that lasts days and days.....but honestly mate its doable. I'm nothing special and if I can manage I with no support (I live alone and have no family) or anyone in the world to help me then you can do it easy......the missus can help with little things like the shopping and making sure you have someone to turn too for moral support.

Make sure you keep me up to date with how you are doing and anything I can do to help I will.

Ps please excuse all the typos ifs this stupid fucking phone!!!!
 
i have read this thread, lots of times exiting sharpish as the urge for heroin is live and kicking, i have recently just come totally clean after a two year love affair with heroin. just came of subs two weeks ago after only two month using them to get ''normalish'' as the mask was slipping, i sorted myself out for other people if am honest, not because i dont want smack cause i do but the hassle it comes with it hurts others around me, but i am simply not ready to walk away, selfish i know.

i want to use and i know it is a ticking bomb, i will use sooner rather than later, i am a sucker for punish perhaps, but i also love a toot.
also another big problem is i am kinda all or nothing guy, when i hit the gear is a massive binge being a big benzo lover even before smack is another issue in its self.
i dont even know why i am here writing this, perhaps cause there is no one else to talk to, maybe letting it out this way will go some way to helping me, although i suspect nothing is going to help part from of course using heroin, although i am very determined i wont be on the hunt everyday again for gear, though i understand that is easy said after being in the ''it wont happen to me camp'' cause i know a 2 year habit is still the honeymoon period compared to what could of been.

all the reasons why i got clean where for other people, bird, family etc but none real genuine reasons for myself, i am not happier well sometimes i think i am but am not i miss gear, money just gets used else where, so money is still the same, only certain people knew/know and i genuinely couldn't give a fuck anyway, smack beats there opinions. also coming of 16mg a subs was a walk in the park, easily double again but hopefully it wont be necessary as i dont plan on the habit again, well shall see, but after this long without smack being the junkie again looks more desirable than anything else.

site is great as well btw :)
 
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