The EADD Sickness and Pain Thread ver Pain of the Wrist & Cock

[Erikmen]

If you have veins problems already you should maybe give it sometime and avoid to use them at all. Your system will create by instinct other "branches".
If you have trouble getting blood this should be an alert as getting blood is way easier than injecting. Use your common sense. You need to have good veins for emergencies.
Good luck anyway!

 

[Eveleivibe]

I admire you, maxalfie, you've been through so much yet you just get on with it n always have time for others. I don't think I could be so brave.

Evey

 

[maxalfie]

If you have veins problems already you should maybe give it sometime and avoid to use them at all. Your system will create by instinct other "branches".
If you have trouble getting blood this should be an alert as getting blood is way easier than injecting. Use your common sense. You need to have good veins for emergencies.
Good luck anyway!

I don't inject drugs anymore and haven't done so for years as they became so bad but unfortunately it makes giving blood tests nigh on impossible.

@Evey, thanks mate but there's nothing brave about me at all. People just naturally have to get up and carry on

 

[BigG]

Excellent explanation Kingme,thankyou mate. Now i understand what it all means. Why they couldn't just tell me that while i was there i don't know. They do want to put me onto Warfarin but im not sure how thats going to work as they have real trouble getting blood from me for blood tests as my veins are screwed from years of iv drug use. I'd much prefer to go back to using Fragmin so i can just inject it myself each day.
Thanks again for the explanation it's a real help to me

I was always under the impression that just like heparin, wafarin could be injected subcutaneously

 

[maxalfie]

I was always under the impression that just like heparin, wafarin could be injected subcutaneously

It's not so much the taking of the warfarin that bothers me but it's just that i was led to believe to when you take warfarin you have to have regular blood tests and that's why when i had the dvt they gave me fragmin to use instead

 

[BigG]

Yeah max that's absolutely right...you do need regular blood tests with warfarin. Is IV access a real problem for you?

You know I've come across many times where people who have used IV drugs need a cannula inserted (usually for fluids but other things as well) and i always feel awful about it because the person concerned is often a bit embarrassed and keeps apologising....it makes me feel terrible for them that I'm having to put them through something that they find so uncomfortable and embarrassing. Not to mention unpleasant physically. We have to note down on something called a ePRF form how many goes I took to cannulate a patient and depending on the situation sometimes give up of you cant get it within the first three or four tries.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Isn't a finger prick test sufficient for warfarin? My mum was on warfarin for the last few years of her life and I'm sure she only had to give a few drops of blood from a finger at her regular assessments.

 

[maxalfie]

When i was having my chemo they couldn't insert a cannula into me as my veins were so bad so in the end i had to hace a picc line inserted into my upper arm and that was theen used for giving me the chemo drugs and for taking the blood tests from. I've had them try at 2 hospitals to cannulate me and they've used heat mats,hot water and even a little machine that supposed to show up veins but all to no avail so the picc line was the only real option left.
When i had to give a blood test the other week we managed to get enough blood from a vein near the knuckle of my index finger but that won't last long

 

[BigG]

Fucking hell max I'm sorry mate that sounds awful. Plus as I'm sure you know there's more to getting a canula in than just hitting the vein as you've got to go into and along the vein with the needle then withdraw it while sliding the plastic tube into and along the vein...meaning a fairly long straight vein is needed rather than a small short one which may be suitable for injecting into or faking blood from but it unsuitable for inserting a canula into.

A picc line as you say is a solution but only if its going to be used regularly enough to make it worthwhile. I usually try the persons foot if I cant get access in the hands or arms and failing that their jugular. Failing everything then id probably just leave it until they got to hospital for a doctor to do.....unless I was literally life or death then it would be something awful like a cut down or drilling into the bone marrow of their hip (not that paramedics are trained for that anyway). I'm yet to come across a patient who neither paramedic could canalate just by having a good hunt around and using a bit of imagination

 

[maxalfie]

Yes you are right mate it wouldn't be worth putting a picc line in just for some blood tests. Funny enough a nurse the other week mentioned about trying veins in my feet, i don't like the idea of it but if it's the only way then i guess it would have to do.
I have managed to give blood by finger pricks once before but it took 2 nurses to do it and was a struggle to get enough blood out quickly enough before it started to clot.
I must say though that not a single doctor or nurse has made me feel as if i was being judged and i've been very open with them about my previous iv drug use. It was me that suggested the vein near my knuckle for them to try and they just laughed, great staff i've had all along

 

[BigG]

Ah that's good cos I've heard some horrible stories of people being made to feel light shit by hospital staff when they've had to gk e blood tests or have a canula fitted or whatever and they have admitted previous IV use which I think js an absolute disgrace....their (my) job is to make the patient feel at ease not spout stupid judgemental shite....

No one should ever be judgemental about something like that....its just plain wrong. Np one knows what that person has been through or their reasons for using. I fucking hate judgemental medical staff and always go out of my way not be be that way. Unfortunately not everyone has that attitude ��

 

[maxalfie]

Yes i have heard stories myself of people being judged but thankfully i've yet to experience it myself. It's great knowing that there are medical staff like yourself and the ones i've met as the last thing anybody wants is to feel judged for mistakes they have made.

 

[BigG]

Of course...plus what makes these judgmental people so free to judge...just because someone with damaged veins has their mistakes easily visible so to speak...what about the mistakes made by the person doing the judging?.. Yes their mistakes may not be on show there and then for criticism but I bet there are plenty of them and probably just as damaging in their own right.

That's why if your gonna be a medical professional and your going to judge patients then you better make sure your own shit it squeaky clean first......judgmental pricks!!!!

 

[kingme]

Maxalfie, you should really be on anticiagulants, but not necessarily warfarin. Warfarin is usually given due to familiarity and experience of docs with its use, also it is taken orally. You need to give blood to measure its efficacy, and pricks are not usually enough (they have to calculate a certain index from the sample).
Fragmin/clexane and others are given subcutaneously but a you may need 2 per day... depends on docs really. Generally they offer oral meds for chronic use, which may be what you are facing here.

There are also new oral meds that dont require blood samples... but dont know their cost and availability (apixaban)

 

[Eveleivibe]

OWWWWWW seriously hurting today from me first two workouts basically means my muscles have microtears n will get stronger the more I work them. Everyone knows this. Running myself a hot bath with some radox now to soothe them. A bit of cardiovascular training letter, some tuna pasta me thinks.
And I think if I'm getting myself back into the fitness game I'll get some of that kinetica orange n mango recovery drink cause it's the bomb!!!!!
Mind you I'vereas read that milk makes for a goid recovery drink cause of the protein that's in it.

Evey

 

[koneko]

Do you practise yoga Evey?

It's excellent for strength, flexibility and stretchability. Never mind the mind things - calmness, breathing and emotional control etc

 

[Eveleivibe]

Do you practise yoga Evey?

It's excellent for strength, flexibility and stretchability. Never mind the mind things - calmness, breathing and emotional control etc

No but have done some yoga within my exercise programmes. P9X has a 90 min yoga programme.

Things like that don't tend to help me relax though - I'm more relaxed when I'm doing fast-paced walking. It helps rid anxiety n release endorphins.

I do find breathing with exercise in general, to be relaxing n therapeautic though.

Evey

 

[koneko]

That's the thing with yoga it forces you to hold onto the poses, making you strong - breathe them and calm into them. I find a teacher is important for the first 2-3 years as getting the poses right is make or literally break!

When I am a bit manic yoga is my saviour. It brings me back into balance.

Good you're doing breathing exercises. Take it meditation's not for you?

Where do you go to do your exercises - are you doing it in a class or from video?

 

[Eveleivibe]

So I've started walking again lately. Walked 7 miles last Friday, 14 miles Monday and 7 miles yesterday. So, whilst I was walking I was thinking back to when I took my 60s and my first thought was how invincible I felt whilst on them, and had a quick thought of wanting them, then I remember how it felt to be sick from them and realised that they weren't as good as they initially seemed.... So here's a comparison for me of opis and exercise....

60s euphoric feeling payment expensive money wise and feeling sick once they've ran out. Exercise, feeling good, payment nothing, can be acquired from nature's beauty; walking, run, also get vitamin D.
60s energetic, invincible, lasts for two weeks then end up in withdrawal until topped up, exercise - acquires energy, doesn't run out if done right. energy breeds energy.
60s lot of work and effort to maintain, travelling, searching etc. exercise not really if done in moderation. can be as much as 30 minutes a day, doesn't necessarily impact on life.
60s relationships impaired, lots of negative judgement from outsiders. exercise, doesn't affect relationship, some negative judgement

Had more but have forgotten as tired. Will add later.

Evey

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

As the name suggests this thread is to discuss healthy living. Things like;

What exercise are you currently doing? Not a lot, slack recently. I ride my bike a fair bit though.
Do you eat healtht? Again, my diet is not ideal at the moment. I eat a lot of fruit but my veg consumption has been a bit slack of late. I fuck with fast food too much but when eating at home I only eat quality meat and fish. When training I eat much more healthy though with fewer carbs in the evening, more veg, extra protein in shakes and only fast food once a week.
Do you believe that you can sti be healthy n take drugs? If so, why n how? Yes absolutely, it's about having an honest appreciation of your personal relationship with each substance and engaging in moderation and balance (imo of course).
What do you think of fast food chains such as KFC n McDonalds? It's garbage of varying degrees of course, but it is perfectly possible to eat it as part of a healthy balanced diet. We all have our gutter tastes.
How important is it to have a healthy mind? Do good nutrition n / exercise contribute to a healthy mind? I would say it's probably the single most important thing in the world.

Also, if you wish feel free to document your workout / nutritional routine on a day- to- day basis. I'm having my shoulder reconstructed tomorrow, I'll use this thread as a diary documenting the rehab process. Also my general fitness regime and the changes from what is very little right now hopefully up to fighting fitness with my shoulder being suitable for fightig again, and what I'm doing with my diet as this process begins to require a more properly focused diet.

Welcome to The Ace Healthy Living Thread for EADD Good thread Evibey!

Evey

Health ans shit yeah!