First time I.M'ing. (MXE)

[hexagram]

after reading some stuff on IM'ing being the best method for ketamine, I thought I'd try the next best thing (MXE) due to K being unavailable atm.

However, I am a complete newbie when it comes to needles. So, just some general questions-

what site on the body is best? (I heard arse but Shambles story of accidentally hitting an artery worries me.)

Best method to dissolve the MXE?

What sort of needles should I use? Is there any other equipment I would need? (anti-bacterial swabs, etc.)

What sort of dosage works best for MXE I.M'd?

Thanks guys.

 

[Shambles]

Firstly and most importantly you need to be aware that you can lose a limb and/or your life through IMing drugs. It's a very real concern and has happened to EADDers in the past. Think very carefully about it and whether the risk is truly worth it as you can achieve near-identical results from plugging.

If you do decide to IM then you will need IM syringes which are most easily found either online or through your local needle exchange programme. I would recommend the 2ml barrels and the... can't recall the actual size but inch and a bit tips. IM swap packs/needle exchange packs usually come with one or two tip sizes and I prefer the longer ones but I guess it is ultimately personal preference.

I quite regularly IM MXE and what I do is to weigh my dose, put dose in clean spoon and add just shy of a barrel full of boiled then cooled water (I recall reading that pre-boiled water is the best "home option" if you don't have bavteriostatic water or the like to hand (although such can be acquired online too)). Heat until dissolved - boiling is irrelevant as you are not going to boil any bacteria to death by flash boiling in a spoon as it actually takes several minutes to do so. Although substances bought froom reputable vendors may be "pure" (if you're lucky) tehy will not be sterile and flash boiling in a spoon won't change that - this is perhaps the biggest risk with IMing (assuming use of sterile needles and barrels). Drop a filter into the solution (I use a cigarette filter cut in half) and suck up the solution into the barrel and attach the tip. Use an alcohol swab or similar to cleanse the site - I would reccomend the thigh as you can see what you are doing and use the upper outside quadrant as this should keep you clear of major blood vessels.

Insert the syringe and pull back the plunger to check for blood. Unlike IV injection you want no blood - you should be pulling back nothing but air. If there is any sign of blood then remove the syringe and apply pressure - especially if that blood is pinkish and/or frothy which would indicate hitting an artery. Assuming all is well press down the plunger slowly then remove needle - you may wish to apply pressure and maybe wipe with alcohol again.

The effect kicks in after a couple of minutes usually. It is not instantaneous like with IV. Enjoy the ride.

As for dosing, that is entirely down to the individual and nigh-on impossible to give any suggestions on without knowing more (and even then a bit iffy to be honest). Treat it like IV or plugged dosing - significantly less than oral or nasal. As a very rough guide around half of a nasal dose but I'd suggest starting lower at around a third maybe given it all hits at once and can be really rather disorientating.

And, once again, do please consider podgering as an alternative as the end result is all but identical and far, far less risky. MXE works extremely well plugged whilst ketamine does not so there is good reason to consider plugging as a viable alternative for MXE.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I used to love IM'ing MXE because the wobblyness was just so intense. However, as Shambles sez, there are inherent risks which if you're unlucky can have very serious consequences. I used to go in the back of my arm (opposite the bicep in that fleshy bit about 4 inches below the shoulder) using a standard insulin syringe - I don't see the point in using anything bigger because that only increases the risk and MXE dissolves very well in a small amount of water. I personally wouldn't do more than 30mg in one go and that will dissolve in 1ml of preboiled water no probs. The hit comes on within 1 or 2 minutes. Be careful with redosing though because I once IM'd 70mg over 3 shots and once the wobbly period was over proceeded to have one of the most intense experiences of my life. I spent a good hour on a conveyor belt being torn apart by the machines molecule by molecule. Go easy....

 

[ScotchMist]

I've no intention of getting into needles getting thus far without them, the buzz is something I do have intentions for; so plugging it shall be. Especially if it's much of a muchness to the pin, I don't see the need for the needle and I hope Hex reconsiders going that route..

From what I've witnessed it's like opening Pandoras box once you start no other ROA will suffice until all roads leading to the ol 'brain have collapsed. Just be careful Hex

Back to plugging and derailing the thread :D, any pointers on adjustment to doses? Obviously I'll only be looking to go that way when I want a full on experience, which orally I'd usually go around 100 - 110 mg, possibly bump 20mg straight after swallowing just to give me a nudge..

I'm rambling; point being, I'd usually take 100+mg for a good ol'time, what dose rectally will produce similar if not slightly stronger effects??

 

[Sammy G]

I'm ashamed to say that I never weighed out a single dose of MXE, but what I can say with certainty is that it's probably best to use half of that or less if you're plugging, if only to give yourself the opportunity to adjust.

The only unpleasant experience I ever had with MXE was the first time I plugged, and that was through eyeballing my usual sniffed dose and stupidly squirting the lot up there. It levelled out, but the come-up was far too intense for my liking. Smaller doses, however, were no problem.

 

[Shambles]

I would agree, Sammy. It is hard to be sure on equivalent doses cos people are different but I'd suggest a third to a half of your standard dose. Lower end for caution, upper end for deeply dissociated. Do be aware that said deep dissociation can get very, very deep indeed with relatively small changes to dose. Ideally undershoot you doses initially just to see how you react and to get used to the very rapid come-up.

I've no intention of getting into needles getting thus far without them, the buzz is something I do have intentions for; so plugging it shall be. Especially if it's much of a muchness to the pin, I don't see the need for the needle and I hope Hex reconsiders going that route..

From what I've witnessed it's like opening Pandoras box once you start no other ROA will suffice until all roads leading to the ol 'brain have collapsed. Just be careful Hex

This is very true. There's no real reason for me to be IMing MXE rather than podgering it other than sheer needle fixation. It really is hard to break the mental connection once you start using needles. Chances are you can and will inject more or less anything and everything once you cross that line. This is definitely worth taking into consideration.

 

[BigG]

IM'ing anything short of pharmaceutical products is really dangerous in terms of getting an abscess at the injection site. Rather than an IV injection which is obviously straight into the bloodstream, Am IM shot can linger in the muscle for a long time, increasing the risk of infection.

This is much more likely if you have been IMing things into the same site over and over as the scar tissue that builds up as a result of the larger needles used for IM injection can encapsulate the drug and slow it's release even more.

As always, take care and e safe

 

[Help?!?!]

It's really not dangerous at all if you follow proper procedure! Really I've down some lackluster stuff when in bad places, not saying that means much but still... Do everything properly and you'll be fine. My god though Shambles you use a cig to filter for IM? That's horrific! I'm suprised you haven't lost a leg for fuck sakes. Get on eBay, search ebay, and get some damn microns! I got twenty Whatman .2m filters for eighteen bucks! If you weren't so far Id send you some, he'll, PM me, and I'll find some links for you!

 

[BigG]

It's really not dangerous at all if you follow proper procedure!

Sorry mate but you're wrong. It IS still dangerous even with a micron filter. There are still very many extremely nasty things that can pass through a micron filter. It's obviously better than nothing at all but to say it's not dangerous at all it highly misleading.

I've seen several cases at work of people doing themselves SERIOUS damage from IM'ing pills and/or impure substances such as RC powders even after using micron filters and doing their best to be as sterile as possible. There are still many things that a micron filter wont stop. The most obvious of these that spring to mind are viruses.......HIV, Hep-B, C etc. Also things pretty nasty like heavy metal contaminants such as mercury or lead.

With bacteria (which cause abscesses) I'm not 100% sure if bacteria are COMPLETELY removed by a micron or not but it's a risk I'd not be to keen on taking to find out.

Anyway, the point is that saying that IMing stuff short of Pharmaceutically pure productss

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Sorry mate but you're wrong. It IS still dangerous even with a micron filter. There are still very many extremely nasty things that can pass through a micron filter. It's obviously better than nothing at all but to say it's not dangerous at all it highly misleading.

I've seen several cases at work of people doing themselves SERIOUS damage from IM'ing pills and/or impure substances such as RC powders even after using micron filters and doing their best to be as sterile as possible. There are still many things that a micron filter wont stop. The most obvious of these that spring to mind are viruses.......HIV, Hep-B, C etc. Also things pretty nasty like heavy metal contaminants such as mercury or lead.

With bacteria (which cause abscesses) I'm not 100% sure if bacteria are COMPLETELY removed by a micron or not but it's a risk I'd not be to keen on taking to find out.

Anyway, the point is that saying that IMing stuff short of Pharmaceutically pure productss

Quite agree mate. It seems that there are a number of people that believe micron filters will prevent any problems from injecting. I worked in a microbiology lab for a while and I'm fairly certain that micron filters are capable of removing all bacteria (depending on filter pore size of course - and I can't remember what that size should be), but as you quite rightly point out they do NOT remove viruses or (iirc) some fungal spores. Sure, bacterial abscesses can be bad, but usually not as bad as HIV or Hep C etc. Please don't be lulled into a false sense of security just because you use micron filters.

 

[Ceres]

mxe works fine snorted and pretty easy to control how much you are doing / how high you want to get that way, I don't see the point of extremely fast onset unless you just want to get 'wrecked'. I liked snorting it then forgetting about it and then 15 mins later the moment you realise it has hit you....

 

[BecomingJulie]

Got to agree with Shambles, Bob and Englandgz74 here. The mucous membranes up your backside are a good enough way in for this drug, and no need for a needle -- which either you won't enjoy at all, and that will sour the experience; or you will enjoy so much that you decide to try injecting every possible drug from now on.

A needle habit is as much a habit in its own right as any drug you may be injecting. Best avoided if at all possible.

 

[Help?!?!]

Your right it is dangerous, simply not as much as your making it out to be. Oh you've seen people lose legs, WOW! I've seen ten times as many lose an arm due to IV, maybe because IV is more common but still the fact remains follow proper procedure and you'll be fine. Oh and ,2um 25mm will not let nearly ANYTHING bad for muscle tissue, that's the reason it's used, and not a higher pore size. I also adovocate plugging but it still simply has
something that plugging doesn't.

 

[BigG]

It's really not dangerous at all if you follow proper procedure!

Sorry mate but you're wrong. It IS still dangerous even with a micron filter. There are still very many extremely nasty things that can pass through a micron filter. It's obviously better than nothing at all but to say it's not dangerous at all it highly misleading.

I've seen several cases at work of people doing themselves SERIOUS damage from IM'ing pills and/or impure substances such as RC powders even after using micron filters and doing their best to be as sterile as possible. There are still many things that a micron filter wont stop. The most obvious of these that spring to mind are viruses.......HIV, Hep-B, C etc. Also things pretty nasty like heavy metal contaminants such as mercury or lead.

With bacteria (which cause abscesses) I'm not 100% sure if bacteria are COMPLETELY removed by a micron or not but it's a risk I'd not be to keen on taking to find out.

Anyway, the point is that saying that IMing stuff short of Pharmaceutically pure products isn't all that dangerous is wrong........

 

[Help?!?!]

No mate, no it's not. I'm not talking about buying from shitty UK pellet selling vendors I'm talking about real vendors, and besides that .2um micron filters are designed to pick up the smallest things. Your biggest worry is going to shitty vendors with impure products. But even then not all impurities will cause problems when introduced to muscle. Is it a risk to IM, certainly, but it's not something to fear mongering with...

Firstly yes the bacteria is one of the reason for the filters in the first place, secondly heavy metals also will not pass through, third why in the fuck would HIV/Hep be in any concontion? Those sorts of things come from IV use. Abscesses and infections come from IM'ing. Learn your shit then come back brother. There's a reason there's so many different types(PVDF, nylon/etc,). If you want to attack someone attack Shambles who uses a cig filter for IM.... That's absolutely horrific! Oh and for the record the reason micron filters are used is to stop the things you don't want in your solution. I should know. It could just be luck but in my reckless days, I've reused needles, etc, etc, almost hoping for an injection to kill me, and nothing.

In the end I'm not standing here telling you it's safe but I'm here to tell you it is possible to do it safely and without huge risk. It's all about proper equipment, sterility, and technique.

 

[Josh]

I'm not talking about buying from shitty UK pellet selling vendors I'm talking about real vendors

Can you explain the distinction? What kind of vetting process do you put these "real" vendors through?

 

[BigG]

Learn your shit then come back brother.

I don't need to "learn my shit then come back".....

I'm a qualified paramedic and I already know my shit, and have seen people get into serious trouble from IM'ing various drugs on many occasions.

Also anyone who posts something as utterly ridiculous as "Oh you've seen people lose legs, WOW! I've seen ten times as many lose an arm due to IV, maybe because IV is more common but still the fact remains follow proper procedure and you'll be fine." deserves to be attacked.

I've reused needles, etc, etc, almost hoping for an injection to kill me, and nothing.

- Jesus fucking Christ were you dropped on the head at birth?

I'd don't often get so utterly pissed off at a post no matter how stupid but you really are something special


This is a harm reduction site you fucking moron

 

[Help?!?!]

I know that you fool. This thread is about IM'ing so I provided proper advice, clearly your noob ass doesn't understand how things work. People do what they want so you should at least provide them with proper info. I know you can lose a leg and the arm thing is a valid point, all forms of injections hold risks but if done properly with the right tools, the right equipment, the right substance, IM'ing isn't hugely that much more dangerous. Does it hold more risk, yes, but does providing no HR information at all and just letting it be, no. Should they just plug it yes, but not everyone is comfortable with that. Over the years I've done hundreds of IM injections and in bad states of minds I've done lack luster things and been fine. Does that mean the OP will be, no. But it's always better to provide better information then none, basically part of the basis for HR. Oh and congrats on being.a paramedic, but that in no way makes you the God of knowledge. Come back when you've been around for a while and have some knowledge. I doubt you even know basic pharmacology... Anyways I'm done arguing I alteady provided the OP with enough information. Go ramble to Shambles who uses cig filters for IM solutions...

I vet vendors by their care for their customers, quality of products, customer service, age, professional attitudes, and such.

 

[lurching]

There's also the redose factor. After two or three shots your injection technique is unlikely to be so spotless anymore, even more so than with shooting ket.

 

[lurching]

I know that you fool. This thread is about IM'ing so I provided proper advice, clearly your noob ass doesn't understand how things work. People do what they want so you should at least provide them with proper info. I know you can lose a leg and the arm thing is a valid point, all forms of injections hold risks but if done properly with the right tools, the right equipment, the right substance, IM'ing isn't hugely that much more dangerous. Does it hold more risk, yes, but does providing no HR information at all and just letting it be, no. Should they just plug it yes, but not everyone is comfortable with that. Over the years I've done hundreds of IM injections and in bad states of minds I've done lack luster things and been fine. Does that mean the OP will be, no. But it's always better to provide better information then none, basically part of the basis for HR. Oh and congrats on being.a paramedic, but that in no way makes you the God of knowledge. Come back when you've been around for a while and have some knowledge. I doubt you even know basic pharmacology... Anyways I'm done arguing I alteady provided the OP with enough information. Go ramble to Shambles who uses cig filters for IM solutions...

Your very first sentence in this thread started with "It's really not dangerous at all", you backpedalling dipshit. Your "Harm Reduction" is worthless.