What to expect after a fast Suboxone Taper.

[quicktaper94]

So this is my first time posting on this site, ive been reading these forums for a while now, but im still not positive on the rules, so if I do something wrong i apologize in advance.
Ive been using H for about a year and a half, doing anywhere from 5 bags a day to easily a bun a day or more when money was good. on days i couldnt get i would take around 1 or 2 mgs of Sub to escape the withdrawal, but iv never taken subs for more then 2 or 3 days in a row. about a week ago i decided that i needed to put an end to all this and decided to do a rapid sub taper. i weaned down from 1mg to .1mg in seven days and today is my first day not taking anything. My question is what should i expect in the next few days to come? will i experience residual withdrawal from the h? or will i experience withdrawal from the subs? How long will the discomfort last? i know subs have a very long half life and cause prolonged withdrawal, but i was only taking them for a week. the days during the taper werent painless but it was nothing compared to cold turkey. like i said today is the first day with nothing and i feel alright, but not good. does anyone have personal experience doing a short sub detox? what happend when you stopped the subs? i know there will be some type of withdrawal symptoms, i just want to know how long it will last and how severe it will be? someone please help me with this. im worried that if the symptoms get to bad by tommarrow ill crack and go cop sumthing

 

[BlueBull]

Hi there, welcome to bluelight! I have no experience with subs, nor with H. I'm going to move your thread to a more relevant subforum, as this is the MDMA & Empathogenic drugs forum :D You'll find knowledgeable people there that will be able to answer your questions

Good luck with the taper and take care!

 

[EarthBounded]

Go to a doctor and get put on subs for an extended period the longer you are on them the better they will help end an opiate addiction

 

[AgonyAndEcstasy781]

I've got a ton of experience with subs and recently tapered off a period of heavy H use using a single strip over about a week.

You will still experience some degree of withdrawal, probably bad insomnia, anxiety, and depression, probably for a week or so after stopping. There is no way to totally escape the pain of opiate withdrawal, however subs will stretch it out and make it bearable. I'd expect to feel kinda shitty for a couple of weeks after using for that long, and some residual symptoms for a month or more,

You'll probably feel worse and worse for a few days, then around a week in you'll probably start pulling out of the worst of it. Doing 5-10 bags for a year and a half, you're gonna have your pay the piper one way or another
If you can get a small amount of benzos for the anxiety and some benadryl for the insomnia, that should get you through the worst of it.

I'd recommend NOT getting on subs long term, opiate maintenance is a miserable deal unless you absolutely need it. I spent years on sub maintenance, then methadone maintenance, it was awful. If you find yourself going back to the heroin, however, subs are a better option.

 

[MBoxed]

I actually got off of IV H using a 5 day Suboxone taper. I felt fine while I was on the Subs and then slowly the withdrawal hit me. I didn't start getting diarrhea/sweating/insomnia until a whole 5 days after jumping off. It never really got too bad but the withdrawal symptoms lingered for a while. I'd get mild chills and sweating for a week and didn't sleep right for about 3 weeks. If I wasn't in rehab I might have copped but overall it was much more bearable than cold turkey and I would probably follow the same regimen if I had to kick again, only with a lot of benzos and some weed (Rehab didn't provide those for some reason).

 

[Crashing]

You'll get a withdrawal in a couple days but it'll be way easier to handle than if you didn't take subs. I would never recommend suboxone for longer than a week, that's just asking for even more trouble than you're already in. I would, in fact, recommend jumping onto a full agonist again before resuming suboxone after one week. That's me though, i believe suboxone is very useful for a short time and then after that it becomes worse than what you originally started with.

 

[ladianios]

Go to a doctor and get put on subs for an extended period the longer you are on them the better they will help end an opiate addiction

I think the advice I quoted couldn't be more wrong in ur situation. U used the sub properly. Basically the short taper allows you to skip the puking, shitting, sweating, leg kicking craziness. In a couple days it will start to hit u in the form of insomnia and fatigue which will last a week or 2 getting slowly better during that time. Be careful though, when u start playing the bupe / full agonist roller coaster it becomes less effective each time. All this is the EASY part, staying clean is a monster!!!!

 

[dirzted]

Ya, if you can bear it (not saying it's painless, you have to tough it out no matter what, but the sub will definitely improve your circumstances relative to just a straight cold turkey) than keep doing what you're doing. This is the ideal way for subs to be used, unless you absolutely feel like you're going to relapse, just push through it.

However, if you DO feel like you absolutely are going to relapse, do not hesitate to take another sub, because that will always be better than using dope again, even if it is a last resort. The fact that you made it this far is really promising, so try your best to keep it up.

 

[misterwabbit78]

i agree with the above, short term. very short term. only what you need to stop the w/d problems. the bare minimum amount needed to do so and thats it. subs are what i use to get off anytime i need to and its easy quick always works super great! less of it is more, always! i just stopped my w/d problems yesterday with just 1/4 of an orange 8mg sub, and thats from a decade or longer of daily H bags, strong high tolerance. 66 hours now, so far, as of right now and stil doing perfect great. i still have to go til next friday, 7 more days! haha.

 

[quicktaper94]

Thanks for all the responses guys i apriciate everyones help. my only queston is why is it that people are saying the withdrawals will not start for a couple days? in my first post i miss typed something (sorry, still new at this). i said it was the first day without anything, but it was the second (I know i said it twice i dunno why, i guess i wassent in the clearest state of mind). I know subs have a long half life and take really long to fully be out of your system, and i guess thats why people are saying this, but i only took subs for 8 days (only reason i used the .1 mg sub the 9th day is beacause i read that skipping days at the end made it easyer to come off.) and in extreamy small amounts. the exact tapper was as follows:
Day 1: 1 mg
Day 2: .5mg Morning/.5mg night ( i found that personaly spliting the doses up by 12hrs insted of 24hrs helps me sleep better.)
Day 3: .5mg Morning/.25mg night
Day 4: .25mg Morning/.25mg night
Day 5: .25mg Morning/ .1 night
Day 6: .1mg morning/ nothing at night
Day 7: .1mg morning/ nothing at night
Day 8: NOthing!
Day 9: .1mg morning/ nothing at night
Day 10 nothing
Day 11: NOthing! (the day i origanaly posted)
DAy 12: NOthing! (Today)
So what i experienced was that on the night of the 9th day i already felt the withdrawals geting worse, During the taper i still had symptoms (minor joint pain, sensitive to the cold, and some lack of sleep, which is nothing compaired to CT) But the day i stoped the sub i definitely felt an immediate increase in the discomfort.
On day 10 when i woke up it was a little worse (More joint pain, very sensitive to cold, Diarrhea, and that night i pritty much didnt sleep at all ,prolly like 3 hrs because of some pritty bad RLS, which i suffer from even when im not withdrawing)
Now its Day 12 my 3rd day with nothing and last night i slept like a baby, when i woke up i felt a major improvement ( No joint pain, no diarrhea, still a little sensitive to the cold and some very minor anxiety. but those are the only symptoms i have.
So my queston is as follows: Is it possible that im experiencing residual withdrawal from the H? and not from the subs? Everything ive read about sub withdrawal says the same thing you guys are, "you wont feel enything untill about 3 or 4 days after you stop. and it will last about 2 weeks"
But that doent seem to be the case for me. its my 3rd day with nothing (4th if you count the day i skipped the sub) and i already feel an improvement, not the symptoms just starting.
The reason i posted on day 11 (yesterday) is because up to that point the syptoms were getting progressivly worse and i was scared it was going to continue on that track, i was worried i got hooked on the subs and was going to have a long drawn out withdrawal process, but what i experienced was deffinely more like H withdrawal then Sub WD's. It got progressivly worse fast ( reaching its peak in only 2 days) and starting to feel better by the third. i Also have an extreamly fast motabolism, its boarderline impossible for me to gain weight ( i can do things like eating a pint of icecream at 2am then passing out immediatly and i still only weigh about 100 Lbs) Not sure if that has enything to do with it, but i do know my body processes things very quickly. Even when i just started using and i would pop percs (prescribed) they would only last 2 or so hours then the pain would come back (was in a car accident 2 1/2 years ago, cracked my sternum open, and messed my back up) BUt i told the doctor that the pills were not working for as long as they should and he said that based on my body type that i propubly just have a very fast matabolism.)
-Thanks again, sorry fr the long post, any responses are very appreciated. HOpefully it will continue on this track and ill feel even better tmmrw!

 

[ladianios]

It is Def residual wds from original DOC. Those sub doses were super low for a short time ie. The proper way to use sub, you are probably in the clear...BUT like I said in an earlier post, the more you ride that Rollercoaster the less effective your sub tapers will become and you may find yourself in the hell of sub WD , a battle not many win.

 

[AgonyAndEcstasy781]

Glad to hear its going smoothly, considering the length of your run I'd say you got off lucky. If you had stayed on the subs longer it probably would have been a longer, more drawn out process, but you were smart about the way you used them. Too bad more people don't learn to use subs the right way.

I first got on subs back in 2006 when they were new to the US market. I had been eating 200-300 mg hydrocodone per day, and the doctor put me on 24 fuckin mg of subs per day right out of the gates. If only i had endured the hydro withdrawals at that point and not continued down the road of opiate maintenance, i could have avoided 8 years of relapses and eventually full blown IV heroin addiction. Even most doctors have no idea what they're doing with subs,

 

[black kat]

Wow,1mg being the biggest dose of your taper,i gotta say im impressed man.

You gotta keep in mind,alot of taper plans include using 1 or 2 8mg subs in a week,whereas you used what,4mgs of bupe the whole week?
With that dosing,id be more concerned about the state id be in when im actually tapering,not after its finished.
Since you made it with 0.1mgs doses for days,i really doubt that the "aftermath" will be as bad for you.

Obviously you will prolly still feel some kind of discomfort,opiates are opiates no matter how small the dosage is,but i really dont think it will be anything you cant handle.
In other words,since you made it and quit a multiple bags a day habit of H with that crazy little amount of bupe,it will be a walk in the park for you compared to what others,who used more bupe,experienced!

 

[ladianios]

Wow,1mg being the biggest dose of your taper,i gotta say im impressed man.

You gotta keep in mind,alot of taper plans include using 1 or 2 8mg subs in a week,whereas you used what,4mgs of bupe the whole week?
With that dosing,id be more concerned about the state id be in when im actually tapering,not after its finished.
Since you made it with 0.1mgs doses for days,i really doubt that the "aftermath" will be as bad for you.

Obviously you will prolly still feel some kind of discomfort,opiates are opiates no matter how small the dosage is,but i really dont think it will be anything you cant handle.
In other words,since you made it and quit a multiple bags a day habit of H with that crazy little amount of bupe,it will be a walk in the park for you compared to what others,who used more bupe,experienced!

Kat, I have done tapers like this many times and ur right, u don't feel great during the taper but it allows you to get thru your day with a bit of effort, the plus side is you don't really have to deal with the lingering sub wds afterward.
It's just kinda which suckiness do you wanna deal with, the immediate reduced full ag wds or the lingering sub wd...either way u gotta pay up albeit at a lesser expense, I will take the short taper over any other method of kicking any day