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EADD Theology Megathread - Book II - Exodus

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No because the term "homophobic" connotes hate and opposition to homosexuals as individuals. Whereas the bible says as people they are made in the image of God and we are to love sinners. It says that the intercourse between the same sex is wrong.

No, the term homophobia is an all encompassing term relating to a negative attitude towards homosexual people. Telling someone that their sexual preference is a sin definitely falls in to that category.
 
On a different note, why is it that you believe that the bible is the word of God? Like, what is the logic that makes you believe the doctrine you follow is any more correct than one of the many other religious doctrines?

I'm not passing judgement on your choice btw, I'm just interested to know why you believe what you do.
 
I'm not interested in passing comment on his beliefs really other than the specific discussion points that have come up. I'm just interested to know why he follows the particular branch of Christianity he does rather than Tao Buddhism, or paganism, or Shia Islam etc
 
coltdan would be lost if he had to write more than a paragraph lol


I'm not interested in passing comment on his beliefs really other than the specific discussion points that have come up. I'm just interested to know why he follows the particular branch of Christianity he does rather than Tao Buddhism, or paganism, or Shia Islam etc

The aforementioned religions either discount Jesus completely, or subordinate him somewhat. Islam scriptures are very similar to that of Christianity anyway. Eastern religions such as Bhuddism I do believe contain great wisdom and spiritual nurturing. But Christianity seems more authoritative and direct where eastern religions allow for a lot of diversity in belief.

I think Jesus is too big for religions to discount. I believe Jesus was divine, was sent from God, did have a purpose for us. So I also believe then that the bible must have value as it prophesised his coming and spread his teachings.
 
Ok...by extension then why do you believe Jesus was the son of god, the one prophesised in the hebrew old testament?

That kind of answers my question though. What you see as the prophecy of the first coming being fulfilled leads you to believe that the Bible is the word of God?
 
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right lost him. Owen,

Ok...by extension then why do you believe Jesus was the son of god, the one prophesised in the hebrew old testament?

That kind of answers my question though. What you see as the prophecy of the first coming being fulfilled leads you to believe that the Bible is the word of God?

To cause the fuss he did, I think there must have been divine work. The miracles must have been genuine etc also he's done a lot of work from beyond his physical death by appearing in visions and all sorts. The verses and spirit of his words are excellent. he wasn't just about tricks, but also deep wisdom. I think it's all too much to fake. I think someone would have trouble believing in a God, but discounting Jesus.
 
So by that argument every other quasi-historical personage remembered and worshipped today who also has miracles attributed to them is also genuine. And the "verses and spirit" argement is primarily used for "proving" the Quran is the word of god - are they right too?
 
Interesting. I've got to say you are filled with more faith than me, basing my entire life outlook on the fact some dude caused a bit of a stir is a bit of a tenuous link for me.

What do you think about other big religious figures who have caused such a stir? Muhammed caused a pretty big splash, why do you believe Jesus was the son of God but not believe Muhammed was a prophet (assuming of coourse that you don't).

I'm not trying to be awkward, I'm just fascinated by religious belief.
 
It's a really sad answer, with no empirical quality. But most of it seems very heartfelt. It feels very right.

This feeling of heart has come from many religious experiences. Instances where I've had to call upon the name of Christ. I see a good spirit amongst his teachings; I see that same glowing spirit received by people in churches. Then I think of his achievements, essentially make 2/3 of the world follow his teachings 2,000 years later.... share experiences with other Christians.... there's a whole lot to it....

I also question and refute my beliefs as much as I can. There's a lot of people out there mistakenly following the wrong God or the wrong religion, and I don't want to be amongst them.

Most of my faith has been very experiential.... stories that you'll never believe so I wont bother explaining.... but from all of it, my bettings are on Christiannity being the best religion for purporting God and Jesus being divine.
 
^ It's true, for every Christian who rebukes a demon in the name of Jesus Christ - a Muslim has dispelled a Jinn in the name of Allah. For every Christian who has prayed to Jesus to be healed, there seems to be a Muslim who prayed to Muhammed to be healed. And a Bhudda who's channelled reiki. And a Shaman who's healed through spiritutal contact. Who's telling the truth? or is God functioning through different religions? Is the Jesus in my heart, the Shiva in a Hindu's heart??

Are my experiences of Jesus and God best to trust?? or is it the devil masquerading as an angel of the light??


Lot's to consider. But my money's still firmly on Christianity - islam is misogynistic and controlling with it's heavy clothing of woman, you must prey 5 times a day to mecca. men can have many wives, but woman can't marry so many men. Arranged marriages... there's so much I disagree with.

Christianity is free and breathes happiness.


The eastern religions discount Jesus, which I think doesn't work. You can't surely believe in God, but think Jesus was a sham?




Rant over bed now
 
It's a really sad answer, with no empirical quality. But most of it seems very heartfelt. It feels very right.

I really admire your honesty there, and I think you're right in that when it comes down to it something like religious belief comes from the heart really.
 
Christianity is free and breathes happiness.

That very much depends on who interprets it. It does seem like your chosen denomination is relatively "modern" in its interpretations but you must admit there are many, many other ways to interpret Biblical texts and there is no one interpretation which can claim to be "correct" cos they're all simply interpetations which some denomination or another believes to be "correct" just as fervently as you believe your favoured interpretation to be correct.

The eastern religions discount Jesus, which I think doesn't work. You can't surely believe in God, but think Jesus was a sham?

Hinduism is very Jesus-friendly and I think certain forms of Buddhism accept Jesus as a Buddha (or perhaps a Boddhisatva). Islam has yer man Jesus second only to Mohammed in the top prophet stakes. Guessing you're not a fan of Judaism then...
 
That very much depends on who interprets it. It does seem like your chosen denomination is relatively "modern" in its interpretations but you must admit there are many, many other ways to interpret Biblical texts and there is no one interpretation which can claim to be "correct" cos they're all simply interpetations which some denomination or another believes to be "correct" just as fervently as you believe your favoured interpretation to be correct.



Hinduism is very Jesus-friendly and I think certain forms of Buddhism accept Jesus as a Buddha (or perhaps a Boddhisatva). Islam has yer man Jesus second only to Mohammed in the top prophet stakes. Guessing you're not a fan of Judaism then...

Not worth describing every single religion so stuck to the main religions. at 0.2% of the worlds population Judaism is small beans.

Hinduism and Bhuddism are diverse in their beliefs and sects will accept many different ideas of God, but Jesus is not so prominent in eastern religions.

Islam is considered a Western religion, I said eastern religions discount Jesus (Hindu/Bhuddism)
 
I would say all three of the Abrahamic religions are middle eastern due to being... well... middle eastern. There was no such thing as "Western" in the modern use of the term at the time and they certainly ain't European by origin (not that where a religion comes from or happens to dominate by various historical whims makes any difference obviously).

As for Judaism accounting for just 0.2% of belief - there are very obvious reasons why this is the case and why it will always be a minority religion. Are you really suggesting it should be a winner takes all kinda deal? Cos you know your Islamic brethren are catching up fast - if they become more popular than Christianity as a whole (as opposed to any single denomination which is already the case) does that mean they must be right and Christianity can be discounted?

Nowt wrong with being a Jew....

It's Raasy who is objecting to said Jews apparently bewildering insistence on not being Christians instead.
 
Raas: The hindu tradition is very old and contains a long line of 'sons of god', they just don't get all exclusive about it ("only our son of god is the real important one"). Hindusim is not one religion but a whole range of them with a shared cultural heritage. Many of those sects would naturally accept jesus as one of the long line of semi-divine people (eg yogananda). Many of the christians in first century near-east also happily accepted jesus as one of the long line of semi-divine people, as that was their shared heritage.

Have you read the bhagavad gita? Read about Krishna who is an archetypal 'son of god' (long before christianity was a glint in judaism's eye) - many people (me included) would argue that there was a definite influence on how christianity developed from hindu and buddhist ideas which were collected in the melting pot of alexandria around that time (some even go further and say he was plaigiarised from krishna (jeshua krishna)). Christianity wouldn't exist in the form it does without the influence of a whole range of faiths/philosophies (including stoicism, neoplatonism, mithraism, zoroastrianism and hinduism/buddhism alongside judaism). This was probably it's strength (like mongrel dogs being cleverer, or hybrid vigour in plants). We don't know what the actual jesus followed - probably a fundamentalist jewish sect like in the Qumran settlement (the dead sea scrolls i think are some of the most likely remnants of the original jesus' sect (they sound a bit grim though)); but how chrtistianity developed in the first few centuries very much reflects the wider alexandrian context, and was arguably more greek and roman than it was jewish.

The way i see it, religions that are insecure have to make themselves all exclusive and monotheistic; religions that are more experienced and more at ease with themselves (like most eastern religions, and the saner christians, like the quakers) are happier to accept anyone into their tent.

I think the quaker attitude is brilliant, and they are what i'd consider the most christian of christians, even though they have no priests, no sermons, and don't even have to read the bible (or think of god in any way other than they decide themselves (and which is then private)). And yet look at their works - they do far more good per head than most/all other christian sects - and they talk sense too, rather than refering to ancient texts all the time. In their view the relationship with god should be direct and not via some human intermediary. Being humble before god must include recognising that your human intellectual faculties can't possibly fathom what's god's true will, let alone enforce it via your petty human language as an excuse to judge other people (judge not...)

EDIT: as for judaism, i think the torah gets a bit of a bad rep from how fundamentalist christians talk about it - as far as i know, the jewish approach always requires interpretation of the old texts to apply them to the current context, an analytical approach often missing from evangelicals. All religions have got their backwardnesses (look at the caste system in hinduism), and judaism would be no exception, but i've found that all religions have also got really nice bits too (for judaism, some of the stuff from jeremiah was pretty good from memory, and there's rabbi hillel who was saying jesus-y things 100 years before jesus).

If only these insecure religionsists, could get over themselves and focus on all the bits they have in common (as shown in huxley's 'the perennial philosophy') there could be no relgious conflict (i'm of the view that the religion is just a lightning rod and excuse for social-based conflict anyway rather than the actual cause of it)
 
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