Heroin Some basic Heroin questions and an apparent "hangover" from it

[schwelly]

Hello all, first let me say I love the community here and have found some great answers to my questions. I'm hoping you all will be able to help me with these!

I'm a full time student and I bartend 4 nights a week, my current gpa is a 3.0 and I did well this semester so I believe that will bump it up a bit.

Anyways to the point.
I use heroin(black tar ROA:smoking) about 2-3 times a week. I try to keep it at twice a week, but sometimes I partake a third day. I don't smoke all day, in fact I do it after the day's tasks are done. That being said the amount I consume is on the first day about .5-.6 of a gram, the second day it is usally .6-.7 of a gram, and IF I do go to the third day(rarely) I usually stick to about .75 of a g. I am giving you all these details so you might better help me. The purity is quite high. As far as I can tell without actually testing it- stuff is top notch.

So here are my questions!
I have noticed on a night I smoke, I will wake up about every hour to hour and a half- this just started happening to me- any explanation as to why? I have searched but can't really find a reason. I do take trazadone for sleep- and even with that I still wake up. I have zero problem getting back to sleep, but like I said I find myself waking up every 1-1.5 hours.

Next- I have experienced 0 withdrawal symptoms. A while back I was smoking 3 days on and 3 off. I soon experienced withdrawals so I quit for about 6 months and have started this method which seems to work nicely. During my time of abstinence from H I don't really partake in any other mood altering substances. I might have a beer or two when I get off work but that's really it. MY QUESTION.- IF and I know its a big if, IF I stick to this method of smoking at the above mentioned doses 1-2 times in a 7 day period (Days are always back to back) and then I abstain for another 7 days- Do you all think withdrawals will set in? Or am I giving my body enough time to detox so that no sickness or anxiety will occur? If not I am guessing anything past three nights of smoking will start to cause withdrawal symptoms- am I correct in assuming this?

Final question.

Why do I feel hungover the next day? I read time and time again that people feel refreshed or energized. I don't. I feel like I have a huge lack of energy, my dick still won't work well the next day, and WHY ARE MY PUPILS STILL CONSTRICTED EVEN 12-24 HOURS AFTER USE? My only guess is that I am using a high dose of heroin so my body is not used to it at all, and that if I backed the dose down no hangover would occur.

Folks thank you for taking the time to read this, and I look forward to some knowledge!

 

[belfort]

if you are feeling the dreaded lack of energy and depression the next day after opiates its time to hang it up...i noticed when i first started developing a habit, that the next day after using i had a very noticeable lack of energy and very low mood..i would just tough it out for a few days and then use again, vicious cycle...quite while you are ahead is my advice..not what you want to hear but its the truth..

i was always basically sexually broken my entire time on opiates...it goes right along with the drug..

if you want to minmize the hangover id lay off the heroin even more, maybe keep it to only using it 2-3 times a month which hardly anyone can do...

 

[belfort]

im not sure where you read where people feel energized the day after using heroin...maybe right at the beginning when they first started using but that goes away very fast..

 

[BZboo]

@belfort I experiences the same symptoms as well when I first started developing a habit. I would feel a lack of energy but then after using feel a bit energized but once developing a full on habit using just made me feel normal. Anyways to OP i would recommend taking another long break because it seems like it could be the beginning of a full time habit

 

[schwelly]

Here's the thing though. I have been able to moderate my usage without any negative effects in my life, nor has it been that difficult. I simply do not use on my abstinence days. That being said it already is a habit. It is great to unwind once or twice a week with H. We all know whatever issues may be goin on in life fade away. So I don't plan on stopping as I have found a way to chip that works for me. If issues do arise then quitting again is the answer. I will have to quit after a couple months anyways because I will then be in Nursing School where drug tests are random. I am still looking for answers to a couple of my questions- the one about will w/d kick in, and the sleep issue. I thank you all for your input and it's nice to know I'm not the only one who gets drained after usage!

 

[black kat]

Alot of ppl had plans despite using heroin OP,alot of them wanted to kick the drug as well,but heroin seems to take over alot of the time.Be careful.

Will you obtain a habit and go into WDs if you abstain for 7 days after a 3day "binge"?I dont think youll be physically addicted,7 days is enough to get the drugs out of you.
Psychological addiction is a whole different thing though,and its usually what comes first,before physical dependency appears.Arent you thinking about how good will it be to use,even on your days of abstinence?Arent you looking really forward to those 2-3 days you allow yourself to "take a break" and do H ?Wouldnt it suck if somehow you werent able to use for a couple of months?These are surely symptoms of psychological addiction appearing and shouldnt ne taken lightly.

(this btw was my opinion about you and WDs,im not lecturing or saying you shouldnt use,im now into the 7nth years of H addiction myself so lol )

About you feeling restless when you use,its common for the drug to have stimulating effects on occasional users and even addicts,i know friends who couldnt sleep the entire night when they used,it also could be subconsious excitment of your mind and body because its the day you've been waiting for(to use) and you want to feel every single minute of it.

 

[schwelly]

Alot of ppl had plans despite using heroin OP,alot of them wanted to kick the drug as well,but heroin seems to take over alot of the time.Be careful.

Will you obtain a habit and go into WDs if you abstain for 7 days after a 3day "binge"?I dont think youll be physically addicted,7 days is enough to get the drugs out of you.
Psychological addiction is a whole different thing though,and its usually what comes first,before physical dependency appears.Arent you thinking about how good will it be to use,even on your days of abstinence?Arent you looking really forward to those 2-3 days you allow yourself to "take a break" and do H ?Wouldnt it suck if somehow you werent able to use for a couple of months?These are surely symptoms of psychological addiction appearing and shouldnt ne taken lightly.

(this btw was my opinion about you and WDs,im not lecturing or saying you shouldnt use,im now into the 7nth years of H addiction myself so lol )

About you feeling restless when you use,its common for the drug to have stimulating effects on occasional users and even addicts,i know friends who couldnt sleep the entire night when they used,it also could be subconsious excitment of your mind and body because its the day you've been waiting for(to use) and you want to feel every single minute of it.

Thank you for your response, as well as concerns. Thats why I love this community- people tend to have others best intrest in mind. I hear your concerns and they are valid. I know im running a risk, no doubt about it. As for my days off, I don't spend the days obsessing or thinking of H. Im super busy so that helps out alot, but I also know I dont want to fuck my life up, and that if I don't stick to my plan then I will fuck it up. I respect H, and know that it will overpower me if I don't respect it. But I certainly know a of right now my desire to have a successful fulfilling life overpowers that of my desire to use. I look at abstinance days as healthy. It is healthy for me to experience the majority of life sober and clean, while letrting go a small amount of the time. I am also in therapy and learning coping skills to deal with life as it comes my way, so that i wont turn to ANY substance to cope with life. That being said every point your brought up is a valid one. I too have seen it happen to many people, and for every 1 person who can moderate there are like 50 addicts. So i do realize the risk, and I do realize the odds.

Last night I used(today I begin another 7 days of abstinance) and I actually slept very well abd did wake up feeling refreshed(i used a lesser amount than I normally do). So perhaps it does have to do with dosing for me idk. Thank you all for your concerns and input. Perhaps I will start a chippers log- something where I can post my day to day activities and thoughts while also posting on my using days. Something to keep myself accountable and give everyone some insight....what do yall think?

 

[pill_billy]

BE CAREFUL... it dont take alot to make 2-3 times a week into a 24/7 thing.... espically women... but if you really are able to do your thing and get everything taken care of then more power to ya... just be careful cause alot of ppl think their on top of it until their not

 

[black kat]

Hey man,if you can really restrict the use and still enjoy the rest of your days without thinking and fantasizing about it then more power to ya.

Im not one of those ppl insisting that you cannot touch H without turning into a junkie.I know guys who played around with heroin and left it alone after a while.
In fact,the guy i started doing drugs with(and eventually heroin as well)was my best friend,he snorted here and there for months,then he moved on.

He havent touched heroin(or any drugs except alcohol) for years,so it can definately happen.

Just like you said very correctly,the odds are usually against the user(but hey,what kind of men would we be if we didnt try to beat the odds right? :D ).

Keep enjoying safely and responsibly!

 

[littlegypsymoth]

I definitely can relate to what you're saying about the "heroin hangover". Back when I was smoking tar, and even recently while banging east coast powder, I have had a heroin hangover. I always equated it to a heavy drinker's (not necessarily shakes-in-the-morning drinker) need to have a beer in the morning after a night of heavy drinking. Or that's how I felt. Like drowsy and tired, not yet dopesick, but once I got the first but in me it would go away.
I also have had experience with waking up a lot at night while using. I always put this down to the fact that while on a substantial (for you) dose of heroin, you are never really asleep. Or I never feel like I am actually asleep. I either nod out or fall out and wake up once the nod wears off. I find myself in a half-sleep state where I could hear what (if anything) is going on around me but appear to be asleep, or if I am actually trying to sleep instead of catching a nod, still being very much in a dreamlike half awake state. I always notice after 4-6 hours of not hitting that I can fall into an actual sleep much better.