The euchemicals(non-toxic drugs) thread.

[Solipsis]

Euchemicals may be harmful or fatal? So basically it is a kind of arbitrary list of drugs you deem fascinating and worthy for some reason?

Might me my mistake, but are you misinterpreting what steve said about MDxx affinity for 5-HT2B receptors? Which is associated with cardiac fibrosis / cardiotoxicity. AFAIK hyperthermia is more likely caused by effects of released monoamines on the function of the hypothalamus, at least that would be my best bet.

Also, the fact that some side-effects can be counteracted by taking other drugs does not magically qualify something as non-toxic.

I think dopamine auto-oxidation is detrimental to health (not sure but may be from oxidative stress?), and that happens via the same type of compounds as those 3,4-dihydroxy dopamine compounds. Scepticism is healthy, but I wouldn't be too opportunistic about MDxx toxicity being a complete illusion.

 

[SkyblueMolly]

Euchemicals may be harmful or fatal? So basically it is a kind of arbitrary list of drugs you deem fascinating and worthy for some reason?

Might me my mistake, but are you misinterpreting what steve said about MDxx affinity for 5-HT2B receptors? Which is associated with cardiac fibrosis / cardiotoxicity. AFAIK hyperthermia is more likely caused by effects of released monoamines on the function of the hypothalamus, at least that would be my best bet.

Also, the fact that some side-effects can be counteracted by taking other drugs does not magically qualify something as non-toxic.

I think dopamine auto-oxidation is detrimental to health (not sure but may be from oxidative stress?), and that happens via the same type of compounds as those 3,4-dihydroxy dopamine compounds. Scepticism is healthy, but I wouldn't be too opportunistic about MDxx toxicity being a complete illusion.

So there may be some toxicity? At least the toxicity would be mild to moderate. MDxx has been ranked on the low end of the harm scale, yet more studies are needed to determine just how toxic/non-toxic it can actually be. Though MDxx causes less damage than things like alcohol and certain inhalants, among other things. It's known that though MDxx is relatively safe compared to other substances, it's unclear as of yet just how toxic/non-toxic it is. I think any toxicity present may be on the low end rather than the middle to high end. Since MDxx and 2C-x are safer than alcohol and tobacco, it makes no sense to me for MDxx and 2C-x to remain illegal. Perhaps we need more scientists to clear up the remaining fog though and the studies need to be well set up. Euchemicals are still somewhat harmful, but have less relative harm compared to other things. Euchemicals are at the lower end of toxicity. The term "Euchemicals may be harmful or fatal" means that while euchemicals are usually not harmful or fatal, they may in quite rare occasions be harmful or even fatal. There was some person who tried piracetam continuously for a couple of years and experienced adrenal fatique. Some of them may still be mildly or perhaps moderately toxic. At the end of the day, it's time for science to take the lead.

 

[f33lg00d]

I think this whole thread is just silly.

 

[SkyblueMolly]

I think this whole thread is just silly.

The thread cleans up other threads.

Note: It is up to you whether or not you believe in euchemics and every euchemical carries some risks. Careful weighing of risks and benefits and perhaps some skepticism is advised.

Euchemicals fit into the theory of euchemics. Nootropics is a subsection of euchemicals. Euchemicals is a subsection of transhumanism technologies. Euchemics is the chemistry portion.

Euchemics is a social philosophy advocating the improvement of human life through responsible use of drugs with low to moderate toxicity to achieve higher intelligence, treat mental illnesses, increasing strength, increasing dexterity, increasing life-span, increase mood, curing deseases, and the ultimate goal of near indestructability. Also to reduce the number of people who use toxic drugs by educating society to say no to toxic drugs and using non-toxic drugs as an alternative. The ultimate goal of euchemics is achieving near indestructability. Side goals of euchemics include, super happiness, societal peace, superpowers, superhuman intelligence, ect. Every person will have their own idea of what classifies as a euchemical because of it's relative vagueness and subtle side effects. Even euchemics must be respected to a certain degree.

This thread may be on the silly side, but it cleans up other threads. Perhaps euchemics is more of a belief than a definite fact. Transhumanism is itself mostly belief. %)

 

[sekio]

This thread doesn't "clean up" anything, it's Skybluemolly's scratch pad for research chemicals he finds interesting.

There's no HR value here, I'm closing this. Implying that just because chemicals are unregulated that they must therefore be miracle drugs with untarnished safety and no possibility of bad effects is silly.