EADD Heroin discussion v.20 -- You've come a long way baby

[ScotchMist]

If that is the case i presume they're selling it at meth prices, somebody's making a fortune if they're buying bulk MDPV..

 

[acieed_ed]

Just got the strongest kit in a month. I likes it! A lot :->

 

[FEDOR85]

If that is the case i presume they're selling it at meth prices, somebody's making a fortune if they're buying bulk MDPV..

20 euro in the dublin 11 area for a small amount, maybe 3 hits in a pipe. Surprised no one has tried making proper crystal meth here, no ones gonna buy that MDPV crap after doing it once. Its not a nice high at all

 

[FEDOR85]

Wherebouts in dublin are ya aciied? I got a bag in ballymun on sunday and it was crap, even after doing none for more than 50 days...no nod at all even with a really low tolerance. Im off it now for good I think

 

[blondin]

not sure if this was about 'wasting gear' by smoking but the waste is to do with the B.A which is about 50%when smoking compared to 100% in a rig or 15% if yer lucky snorting (brown).
Gear now is really good 40%+ x3 for a score .2 a bag but no weight - weight is 110 an 1/8th but probably 30-35%
Can get stones like 2000 .2 for a twnner x2 for 15 - one pipe and im stripping off and sweating like a 2 dollor crack whore.

 

[Sprout]

not sure if this was about 'wasting gear' by smoking but the waste is to do with the B.A which is about 50%when smoking compared to 100% in a rig or 15% if yer lucky snorting (brown).
Gear now is really good 40%+ x3 for a score .2 a bag but no weight - weight is 110 an 1/8th but probably 30-35%
Can get stones like 2000 .2 for a twnner x2 for 15 - one pipe and im stripping off and sweating like a 2 dollor crack whore.

I thought the BA of freebased H was around 67%? I have read that the 'theoretical limit', assuming perfect vaporisation and every bit of vapour inhaled, is 89%. That info could be wrong, I admit.
Plus, snorting #3 is stupid. Unless you convert the base to a HCL/acetate salt first, in which case I.N is a perfectly viable method.

 

[blondin]

Never seen those high figures before - thats why most people end up on the needle as you need far less for the buzz, most sites will say its about 50% which makes sense as you blow most of the smoke out and yer lungs can only absorb so much

 

[Sprout]

Yes, the true figure is much lower than 89%, 'chasing' on foil is horrendously inefficient, people miss wisps of vapour, and not all of it being absorbed all play their part.
Plugging seems much safer than I.V./I.M. and provides a fairly similar BA + rapid onset.

 

[Sammy G]

This study was probably the source of your 89% figure. They used an electronic vaporising device, thus eliminating any wastage from bad technique / materials. Not that chasing need be wasteful at all, with a little practice of course.

A previous study in Hong Kong reported 75% as an optimal amount, and that was without electronic assistance.

Not only does it depend on your technique, but it depends on the cuts in the heroin, and whether they help optimise vaporisation. So it's impossible to give a definitive figure.

Perhaps the 50-55% figure that's often quoted is an average.

 

[kkattastic]

This study was probably the source of your 89% figure. They used an electronic vaporising device, thus eliminating any wastage from bad technique / materials. Not that chasing need be wasteful at all, with a little practice of course.

A previous study in Hong Kong reported 75% as an optimal amount, and that was without electronic assistance.

Not only does it depend on your technique, but it depends on the cuts in the heroin, and whether they help optimise vaporisation. So it's impossible to give a definitive figure.

Perhaps the 50-55% figure that's often quoted is an average.

was just gonna ask if anyone here had ever tried smoking their gear through a proper vapouriser?

 

[mydrugbuddy]

i think brimz mentioned that the other day, http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...-more-posh?p=12697348&viewfull=1#post12697348

 

[ructions]

This is so weird! I've just spent the last two hours reading up about vapourisers online. And then I come onto Bluelight, and you're all talking about vapourisers! I gave up smoking cigarettes, thanks to my ecig, which is a kinda vapouriser. But I want to buy my Son a vapouriser for Christmas. One that he can use to smoke weed.

I hate seeing him putting tobacco into joints. He used to smoke cigarettes, but only for a short amount of time. He is off them about 2 years, and I'd hate to see him back on the dreaded cigarettes. So, I reckon a vapouriser would be better than joints.

While researching vapourisers tonight, I found out that some vapourisers combust the weed, while others vapourise the weed. Apparently, vapourising the weed is much healthier then combustion. You can pick a pretty good one up for around €170.

But I never knew you could vapourise gear?! Holy Moly! Maybe I'll save up and buy one for myself! Although, I really enjoy smoking gear from a tray of foil. I can take my time over it, and really enjoy it. But I suppose it would be healthier not using tin-foil. Tin-foil just can't be good for your lungs...

I'm due in the clinic tomorrow. I'm really dreading it. I'm gonna fail my drugs test, again. My Doc keeps saying he'll have to put me back on daily pick ups of my methadone. But there is no way I could make it to the chemist every day. I leave my gaf every morning for work at 8am, and I don't get home till 8pm. So, there is no time to go to a chemist.

When I first started on methadone, 8 years ago, I had the same problem. Back then, I was horrified when the Doctor suggested that I should give up my job, so I'd have time to pick up my methadone daily. I can't give up my job, that's ridiculous.

Ahhh... I'm my own worst enemy. I knew I was overdoing it. It's is sooooo hard to stop....

 

[keeping]

anyone from London here? i've been getting some light brown from Limehouse that melted like a beaut, but my dealers switched it up and its fucking crap now

 

[kkattastic]

This is so weird! I've just spent the last two hours reading up about vapourisers online. And then I come onto Bluelight, and you're all talking about vapourisers! I gave up smoking cigarettes, thanks to my ecig, which is a kinda vapouriser. But I want to buy my Son a vapouriser for Christmas. One that he can use to smoke weed.

I hate seeing him putting tobacco into joints. He used to smoke cigarettes, but only for a short amount of time. He is off them about 2 years, and I'd hate to see him back on the dreaded cigarettes. So, I reckon a vapouriser would be better than joints.

While researching vapourisers tonight, I found out that some vapourisers combust the weed, while others vapourise the weed. Apparently, vapourising the weed is much healthier then combustion. You can pick a pretty good one up for around €170.

But I never knew you could vapourise gear?! Holy Moly! Maybe I'll save up and buy one for myself! Although, I really enjoy smoking gear from a tray of foil. I can take my time over it, and really enjoy it. But I suppose it would be healthier not using tin-foil. Tin-foil just can't be good for your lungs...

I'm due in the clinic tomorrow. I'm really dreading it. I'm gonna fail my drugs test, again. My Doc keeps saying he'll have to put me back on daily pick ups of my methadone. But there is no way I could make it to the chemist every day. I leave my gaf every morning for work at 8am, and I don't get home till 8pm. So, there is no time to go to a chemist.

When I first started on methadone, 8 years ago, I had the same problem. Back then, I was horrified when the Doctor suggested that I should give up my job, so I'd have time to pick up my methadone daily. I can't give up my job, that's ridiculous.

Ahhh... I'm my own worst enemy. I knew I was overdoing it. It's is sooooo hard to stop....

maybe it would be better for you to get onto a subbie script.either that or increase your meth dose so you don't crave
really terrible harm reduction advice,but if you want the occasional nod,a few benzos along with your green will do the trick

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Just got approached and attempt at befriending by a guy in town who asked me if i was "bobbying" . Must be some kind of Manc druggy street lingo for something, dunno if he wanted to sell me some drugs or buy some, but i didnt have any money or drugs on me anyway.

Most street deals with random complete strangers are best stayed well clear of afaik Although i spose theres the remotest chance of making a good contact. If he was into harder stuff like heroin it wouldnt have been a 'good contact' anyway cos thats not a road i wan to travekl down, at least definately not at this moment in time. Sorry, very much a random gibber, just this "bobbying" term is a new one on me. Drug users seem to be able to spot others a mile of like they have some kind of inbuilt "drugdar", thakfully i rarely seem to strike people who arent into drugs as a drug user.

 

[kkattastic]

Just got approached and attempt at befriending by a guy in town who asked me if i was "bobbying" . Must be some kind of Manc druggy street lingo for something, dunno if he wanted to sell me some drugs or buy some, but i didnt have any money or drugs on me anyway.

Most street deals with random complete strangers are best stayed well clear of afaik Although i spose theres the remotest chance of making a good contact. If he was into harder stuff like heroin it wouldnt have been a 'good contact' anyway cos thats not a road i wan to travekl down, at least definately not at this moment in time. Sorry, very much a random gibber, just this "bobbying" term is a new one on me. Drug users seem to be able to spot others a mile of like they have some kind of inbuilt "drugdar", thakfully i rarely seem to strike people who arent into drugs as a drug user.

I can usually spot a junkie.they walk differently-more purposely cos they are usually out to score or make it to the pharmacy and back as quick as possible.They often have an unkempt appearance because(I'm told)that people on gear don't like the feeling of water on their skin,which from personal experience,I would agree with.
I wonder if 'bobbying' doesn't have something to do with police?
hope someone can set me straight on that

 

[Erikmen]

Never seen those high figures before - thats why most people end up on the needle as you need far less for the buzz, most sites will say its about 50% which makes sense as you blow most of the smoke out and yer lungs can only absorb so much

Unless you do it properly with a very large straw. I have actually heard of toilet brown thick paper tube, so you don´t waist anything.
I believe the number applies only if you can get hold of everything which is very unlikely.

 

[strungout2010]

@ MDB. If someone round here asked me if I was bobbying I'd think they we're trying to score , as in rhyming slang for bobby Moore , or possibly bobby brown, but who knows what these crazy kids mean nowadays. lol

 

[BecomingJulie]

"Bobbying" could easily be a regional word meaning suffering withdrawal symptoms; compare "clucking", "jonesing". Rhyming slang, "Bobby Moore-ing = scoring" is also a possibility.

Before I ever experienced a proper gear withdrawal, I would not have had any clue what it looked like. Now, after sliding down the junk beam straight into the comforting arms of y dealer more times than I care to think about, I know only too well .....

Having scored is what keeps you looking and acting normal, especially if you are not injecting. It's really only when you run out that any symptoms begin to manifest. Most people who haven't been addicted themselves or close to an addict don't seem to appreciate that.

 

[blondin]

Unless you do it properly with a very large straw. I have actually heard of toilet brown thick paper tube, so you don´t waist anything.
I believe the number applies only if you can get hold of everything which is very unlikely.

Nothing to do with not catching all the vapour its the fact that your lungs can only absorb so much I.e.50%or so, most smokers i know never miss a wisp.