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Do rehab centers really work?

@fizz

Yes I've been to like 3 Malibu type places 1k a day they don't work cuz u have a laptop cellphone and just chill and watxh tv no reall hard work or discipline
 
Good point.
It can be what one puts into it indeed, although there's something called 'treatment matching' ... Which doesn't happen quite often.
It's up to the individual, on one end, but also the site in providing appropriate treatment to meet client's specific needs accordingly. IME
 
Erikmen said:
Fizz, I thought you were getting off. Or taking methadone.
Anyway, I guess you´re right about being away 6 months.
That´s unrealistic. But at the same time being high on h is hell man. You´ve got to quit this shit.
Methadone normally works and it eases the craving.
The doctor establishes a certain dose that would make you feel ready and you don´t have to think about 'later'.
Do that in another step.
I feel that I have so much freedom without using. It eventually gets better, you just have to pass this first phase. You can do it using Subs or methadone.
I know you have tried it. It´s not easy but so many of us did it. Why wouldn´t you?
Think about it and remember you can not take h forever. It´s not good. How can you still have veins, I wonder.
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Well, I was in pain mgt for over 10 yrs, up until Sept, when they found morphine in a drug test and I was discharged, During these 10 yrs, they were giving me methadone for back pain, I was supposed to take 20mg, 3x a day, but I abused my script every single month and would run out like 7-12 days early EACH month, so I would wait about 3-4 days with no methadone and then go use heroin to avoid the withdrawl symptoms, this worked great for many years, until they hit me with a random drug test.

I havent had ANY methadone since 9-25 of this year, but have used heroin about every other day since then too...I dont think I would take a methadone now, even if it was given to me, the intial w/ds I went thru were fucking HELL, much worse than heroin w/ds. My plan was and is to use heroin until I dont have any methadone w/ds anymore, but Im not sure what 'stage' Im at, since Ive been using H so much, but the days I have been clean, the w/ds are bad, but not as bad, so I think Im done with methadone w/ds.

Im in the position where I realize I NEED to quit using heroin, as it is breaking me financially, Ive spent SOOO much money on this shit the past month, I couldve bought a damn car, but NEEDING to quit and WANTING to quit are 2 VERY different things IMO, while I know I need to quit, I LOVE heroin, sucks, but I cant seem to get past this 'phase'. If I could just make it past the 10-12 day clean period, but at day 3 or 4, w/ds are SOO fucking intense, I end up copping every time, and then go thru the same damn thing 3 days later LOL, fucking vicious cycle!

I looked into Passages Malibu, it is $112,000. for 30 days, it includes a personal doctor, personal RN, and a shit load of things to help, mostly holistic, I also found out they do not consider drug addiction to be a disease, but rather a 'problem' stemming from some earlier trauma, which they claim they can CURE in 30 days, for anyone, regardless of what the DOC is and how much being used, They also claim their detox process is 100% pain free, so Im curious what drugs they use to avoid all the shitty w/d symptoms and wonder if these same drugs could be used somewhere cheaper...I wont be going here though, I couldnt even afford 1 hour here!!
 
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Just want to chime in that Passages says addiction is a problem stemming from trauma. It can stem from trauma indeed, and trauma sufferers use drugs to cope, but not all.

There are studies where 2 set pools of people with similar traumas become dependent on drugs physically I need to add as they are administered the drugs for a few weeks. When both groups go through withdrawals only a small percent want to continue to use, while the other percent does not. The majority. So, I wonder where they draw their conclusions from.

I wasn't aware of their modality as addiction being simply trauma related. Interesting, but leaves out a lot of other realities, and facts. Maybe they utilize rapid emdr treatment. I'm curious.

Thanks,
:)
 
crimsonjunk said:
Rehab centers 1 year success rate is generally around 5 percent. I think setting her up on her feet is the better option but I'm sure some will disagree.
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Fuckin hell, that is depressing. Sounds like they would be £2,000 upwards very poorly invested if that is the case, i guess at least they help you get through the difficult first month, in terms of feeding you and monotoring you etc whilst you get back on your feet. And then you get turfed out again. Ongoing support appears to be essential.
 
Yeah… True

I think it's like 60 percent with dual disorders. ^
(Not that all with comorbid disorders have drug problems though) I do! :)
 
I used to live going to rehabs. It was kind of a break from my shitty coke head life. However after the 7th time in a short term place, I decided to GI to a residential center. Those help much more.
 
Problem is when your work won´t let you go.
When they don´t know. Or pretend not to.
 
Then you start using to be able to work..
Everything becomes so much difficult and no energy to do the simplest thing.
 
I went to treatment, a really nice one at that, it was only a 30 day treatment center. I believe that is too short of an amount of time IMO.

When I went to treatment, my LCDC told me that just because I go to treatment doesnt mean that my addiction goes away, she said they teach you the tools you'll need to use to maintain you're sobriety once you get out of treatment. Also one of the best things I learned in treatment was Relapse prevention and what to do when a relapse occurs.

You get what you put into it, only go to treatment for yourself, not for your girlfriend/boyfriend, mom or dad, sister or brother, dog or cat or what the fuck ever. You have to do it for yourself. You have to surrender to win. Treatment worked for me, I kicked my opiate habit and have been clean from opiates for almost a year, Dec 28 will be a year. I do admit that I smoke marijuana in the evenings after the day is done, but I am no longer smoking pot 24/7, 365.

Also I have known people who are able to go into recovery by just going to AA/NA/CA/HA/MA or whatever. The 12 Step program really works, but like I said before, You get what you put into it.

Best of luck
 
^^ agreed. Although it is true that some people do use drugs to self medicate pre existing problems that are not being treated by a medical doctor. I know I've used marijuana to self medicate and try to treat my depression, but for me it only made things worse. The solution to my depression, for me, was CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy and getting on that spiritual platform. Although I still use marijuana, not in the same amounts as I used to. Smoking only in the evenings or on days off. It's also helped that I stopped using opioids to self medicate, that was the worst fucking thing ever.

We used to joke about going to Passages while I was in treatment.. You can be CURED from addiction. Pffffffft.
 
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