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Why do atheists only seem to go after the Judeao-Christian religion?

No matter how many times you do so, restatement alone won't prove convincing. Honestly, how does invoking a deity solve the question of morality? Certainly, it is not merely God's might that makes his edict ethically correct. So by what criteria are ethical rules established?

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I wonder why you have such a tendency to insult people in your responses Gnostic Bishop. No need to call someone "too dumb to recognize that fact" when they are giving a perfectly respectful response that comes from their own experience. Not everyone is going to agree with you, or indeed with anyone. People have different opinions, and you have to respect that. Or you should, I suppose you don't have to do anything.

I'm not sure I agree with his assessment entirely, but it's what he's noticed in his life.

Great post. This applies to a few people around here.
 
I wonder why you have such a tendency to insult people in your responses Gnostic Bishop. No need to call someone "too dumb to recognize that fact" when they are giving a perfectly respectful response that comes from their own experience. Not everyone is going to agree with you, or indeed with anyone. People have different opinions, and you have to respect that. Or you should, I suppose you don't have to do anything.

I don't think he was saying that atheists hate god, I think he was saying he's noticed atheists tend to be hateful in general (I imagine towards those who are not atheists). I'm not sure I agree with his assessment entirely, but it's what he's noticed in his life.

Yes but he is likely ignoring how often the atheist has been told to turn or burn.

You do not seem to know how irritating it is to be told you are condemned by those who are less moral than the usual atheist.

"Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God,
holds other people in contempt.
Whenever a man believes that he has the exact truth from God,
there is in that man no spirit of compromise.
He has not the modesty born of the imperfections of human nature;
he has the arrogance of theological certainty and the tyranny born of ignorantassurance.
Believing himself to be the slave of God,
he imitates his master,
and of all tyrants,
the worst is a slave in power."
--Robert Ingersoll


I have noted how fast you run from any moral discussion. You know the theology you follow is quite corrupt.

Shall we argue your morals and the double standard you must have to forgive your God for what you would condemn a man for doing?

Regards
DL
 
How many times must this be explained to you? Morality does not actually exist without a God figure that is not indifferent. To be a moral atheist, is to be living in blind faith just as being a theist is.

So you must think your genocidal son murderer is where your morals come from.

I do not believe you are near the prick your God is.

If you follow him to close you become Satan though. You know that. Right?

Regards
DL
 
Great post. This applies to a few people around here.

Few posters are looking at it from a POV that sees Christians murdering the founders of my religion.

All Gnostic Christians dislike the literalism of Christianity as that is what caused our destruction at the hands of those who wanted to destroy free thinking. They did as those murders were closely followed by the Dark Ages and Inquisitions.

Good old Christianity.

Regards
DL
 
I have noted how fast you run from any moral discussion. You know the theology you follow is quite corrupt.

Shall we argue your morals and the double standard you must have to forgive your God for what you would condemn a man for doing?

Regards
DL

Was that directed at me? I don't even believe in god in the way that causes people to capitalize it. I believe "god" is the universe and that we are all the universe, experiencing itself subjectively in infinite unique iterations. I was simply making an observation. I have no problems with your beliefs, I just note that you seem pretty hostile towards individual posters on here oftentimes and I was wondering why that's necessary.
 
One could ask how many times it needs to be explained that morality, in any objective sense, does not exist?
That is based on assumption, however, morality, if not objective, does not exist; and that is not assumption based.
 
So you must think your genocidal son murderer is where your morals come from.

I do not believe you are near the prick your God is.

If you follow him to close you become Satan though. You know that. Right?

Regards
DL

Yes, because as we have been over, I am obviously a bible thumping Jesus lover that wants nothing more to save the world from eternal damnation. Keep getting your information from Youtube. It's a great philosophical source. You say you think for yourself and for that reason you have rejected some Philosophers I have suggested you read. Believing everything you watch in a Youtube video is not thinking for yourself though, on the contrary actually.
 
I have noted how fast you run from any moral discussion. You know the theology you follow is quite corrupt.

Shall we argue your morals and the double standard you must have to forgive your God for what you would condemn a man for doing?

Regards
DL

Hmm, I think you've misfired a bit GB. Xorkoth is really not a follower of any religion that I know of; he's made his own :) I think you should be cautious not to fall into the trap that some religious types do, that of tarring all who dispute with the same brush. I agree with much of your opinion on the immorality of Christianity, but I take it further by claiming that morality itself is a complete façade, in much the same way that a postulated deity is also absurd. You should be aware that opposition or criticism of your beliefs does not indicate corruption or immorality. Its just a disagreement.

FWIW, if the Christian god revealed itself as divine and having all the attributes heretofore only claimed by unequivocally appearing in full heavenly splendour, I would certainly agree that it exists but I would never worship such a deity, ever. I would still only 'worship' the inner god, the one inside all of us :) At least that particular god hasn't promoted the burning of billions of innocents as reward for a mistake only the creator could have made.

All religious extremism is equally repugnant to me, even the religions I like....:\

Was that directed at me? I don't even believe in god in the way that causes people to capitalize it. I believe "god" is the universe and that we are all the universe, experiencing itself subjectively in infinite unique iterations. I was simply making an observation. I have no problems with your beliefs, I just note that you seem pretty hostile towards individual posters on here oftentimes and I was wondering why that's necessary.

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Note that there is a chance that GB is actually some sort of gnostic spambot, because the same topics have been appearing online for about 3 years, often signed by DL. It makes me question the credibility of his posts, because surely true gnosis is thinking for oneself. ;)

That is based on assumption, however, morality, if not objective, does not exist; and that is not assumption based.

I'm not sure I follow you here. My point is quite simple, and of course, it is based on several assumptions, but REASONED assumptions (as if that makes a difference :D). I don't think there is a god. So when someone says that morality comes from god, I take that to mean that morality, as an ethical system that exists external to humanity, also does not exist. Is is that fearsome to think that good and evil are inventions of the human mind? Does that not testify to the breadth and depth of our imaginations and true potential, that we can imagine fully-formed, all-purpose ethical systems without requiring someone else to tell us this is so? Before life existed on earth, was there good and evil? How did it manifest? How can evil exist without self-aware intent? Or can a tree commit evil? Did not self-awareness and intent (as we know it) come into existence with humans 200,000 years ago? Where has god and its morals been for the eternity before that? Did god impose morality on plants, bacteria, single celled organisms? If so, why? If not, why?

I hope you are aware that I am not attacking you at all Richard, I feel pleased to read your posts here because they are genuine and heartfelt and you do not cave :) I admire that, truly. I just cannot agree that god, good, evil, anything has existence beyond the walls of my skull. And that is liberating to me. I choose my destiny. :)
 
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Was that directed at me? I don't even believe in god in the way that causes people to capitalize it. I believe "god" is the universe and that we are all the universe, experiencing itself subjectively in infinite unique iterations. I was simply making an observation. I have no problems with your beliefs, I just note that you seem pretty hostile towards individual posters on here oftentimes and I was wondering why that's necessary.

My bad on that moral thing. Apologies. I took you for a Christian here.

I do get upset with those who do not recognize poor morals and have embrace the notion that they should profit from God killing his innocent son. IOW, they embrace the punishing of the innocent instead of the guilty.

And those fools can somehow justify it, showing how their religion has corrupted their morals.

That should disturb all of us who think of morals and have a sense of social responsibility.

Regards
DL
 
I'm not sure I follow you here. My point is quite simple, and of course, it is based on several assumptions, but REASONED assumptions (as if that makes a difference :D). I don't think there is a god. So when someone says that morality comes from god, I take that to mean that morality, as an ethical system that exists external to humanity, also does not exist. Is is that fearsome to think that good and evil are inventions of the human mind? Does that not testify to the breadth and depth of our imaginations and true potential, that we can imagine fully-formed, all-purpose ethical systems without requiring someone else to tell us this is so? Before life existed on earth, was there good and evil? How did it manifest? How can evil exist without self-aware intent? Or can a tree commit evil? Did not self-awareness and intent (as we know it) come into existence with humans 200,000 years ago? Where has god and its morals been for the eternity before that? Did god impose morality on plants, bacteria, single celled organisms? If so, why? If not, why?

I hope you are aware that I am not attacking you at all Richard, I feel pleased to read your posts here because they are genuine and heartfelt and you do not cave :) I admire that, truly. I just cannot agree that god, good, evil, anything has existence beyond the walls of my skull. And that is liberating to me. I choose my destiny. :)

I did not take it as attacking, I apologize if I came of as defensive, or offensive; t'was not my intention. I understand where you are coming from, and I was not denying the likely possibility that morals in any objective sense do not exist. I was just pointing out that morals not existing in any objective sense is based on the assumption that a "higher power" or supernatural force that is not confined to reason, does not exist. At least, at this point in time. Same goes for the opposite as well. My reply to GB was coming from another discussion we had in which he posted the video about "Atheists not being immoral". I was not saying that Atheists are not capable of being moral, not in the slightest. I was just saying that if we knew in the absolute that a "God" did not exist, and we did not have further knowledge that would help dictate a true right and wrong, morality would not truly exist.

Once again, I'm sorry if I came off the wrong way.
 
I did not take it as attacking, I apologize if I came of as defensive, or offensive; t'was not my intention. I understand where you are coming from, and I was not denying the likely possibility that morals in any objective sense do not exist. I was just pointing out that morals not existing in any objective sense is based on the assumption that a "higher power" or supernatural force that is not confined to reason, does not exist. At least, at this point in time. Same goes for the opposite as well. My reply to GB was coming from another discussion we had in which he posted the video about "Atheists not being immoral". I was not saying that Atheists are not capable of being moral, not in the slightest. I was just saying that if we knew in the absolute that a "God" did not exist, and we did not have further knowledge that would help dictate a true right and wrong, morality would not truly exist.

Once again, I'm sorry if I came off the wrong way.

Morality still exists.
 
There's actually one part of Christianity most manage to miss, which is that all its holidays are set on old pagan, nature-worshipping holidays. Very much after the movements of the sun and the moon. The ones who create religions must think we're really stupid.
 
Adopted and used by the Roman Christian church.. the religion of the roman empire was pagan before it turned into christianity.. leaving behind it's holidays.

There is actually a theory that Jesus is just the "sun god" (son of god, get it?) revamped.
 
More than silly. Like Easter is obviously a celebration of spring, fertility, and new life. With Easter eggs, etc. Then it's timed on a different date each year (after the last full moon).

There's no remote connection to Jesus in that at all (even if his resurrection is told to have happened at that time).

There's believing in coincidences, and there's believing in THAT. I don't believe Jesus was resurrected at the same time nature resurrects, no. Why in the honest name of God would he?
 
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