Heterodox approaches to Christian scripture

[HypGnosis]

What practical good does that do you? What do you really gain that
you can apply to your life ?

As someone who engages in online debate yourself, surely you recognise the benefits for both parties engaging in discussion?
How about stimulation, growth and refinement, of one's logic, reason, intellect and understanding?

You can not be a spiritual or religious person at all, but how
productive is it spending your time finding contradictions in something
you don' t believe in? Just to validate what you don't believe?

Anyone doing this, not only benefits themselves, for reasons already mentioned. But I also see it as a community service. Contradictory and unhealthy belief systems should be challenged, and I for one enjoy reading such discussions.
Even if no one is 'converted' either way, it still brings interesting thinking points to the table.

You keep coming back as well If you find these discussions counter productive, why do you return to, and engage with the topic?!

 

[Tromps]

I can largely agree with you on that. Though, personally if I was an atheist or agnostic I think I would rather put more energy into debating something tangible that you can see, such as politics. In that case, IMO, you/I would have a much better chance at being influential by arguing events in the natural world with statistics and facts than trying to persuade supernatural beliefs that are intangible. What do I know. You're right it is good in some ways. I do know that GB and rick have helped me to study more and dig deeper, thus increasing my knowledge and strengthening my beliefs, so I can thank them for that

 

[HypGnosis]

I see what you're saying, and I do enjoy discussing politics as well, but not as much as I enjoy philosophy.

The current ideas I hold about things like the soul, the mind, and altered states of consciousness for example, I feel are moving away from being considered supernatural. I think with emerging ideas on consciousness, some of the quantum theories in particular, are at least bringing the discussion of something like the soul more credibility. At this point in time we have evidence of psychic functioning, and quantum fluctuations within the brain. This information can piece nicely together to create the beginning foundations for a scientifically credible account of the soul. We're obviously nowhere near fully understanding this new area, but I think the evidence has definately made the subject more tangible.
Also, objective (or very close to), altered states of consciousness gained through a study of Qabalah, provide the practitioner with personal evidence. The heightened awareness, intuition and mindfulness gained from Qabalah, are real world benefits. These again take the subject away from the 'super'natural, and give them firm footing in the natural.
I think there is no more important study than that of the human being in its entirety.
Plus everyone in politics generaly winds me right fuckin' up. I can't even bare to look at those pompus twats on tv.

Edit: Discussing your beliefs with GB and Rick only made your belief stronger?! How the hell did that happen?!

 

[swilow]

I do know that GB and rick have helped me to study more and dig deeper, thus increasing my knowledge and strengthening my beliefs, so I can thank them for that

Good for you, but I find that to be quite sad...

 

[rickolasnice]

A Christian with a solid foundation in Christ won't be defined by what anyone says except for who God says they are. You won't be able to sway them. You are knocking on solid stone that can't be broken. You might have some success persuading someone weaker in the faith, but really, what is your goal?

Not true.

 

[rickolasnice]

I do know that GB and rick have helped me to study more and dig deeper, thus increasing my knowledge and strengthening my beliefs, so I can thank them for that

To be honest that is always my intention.. to encourage people to learn a bit more about what they so strongly believe in and defend.. and to bring a different perspective.. it is GOOD to QUESTION your beliefs.. otherwise you are a sheep.. a blind sheep at that.

Take from it what you will.. but..

"You only see what your eyes want to see"

 

[Tromps]

Good for you, but I find that to be quite sad...

I'm sorry I made you feel sad, my apologizes.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

I think you already kick ass, brother. In not only highlighting the importance of introspection, but tying up the literalist in knots of, ultimately, his own making. It is a sacred art you practice




I think Gnosticism and Qabbalah make perfect bed-fellows. The Gnostic will already have the required discipline to approach it with a true respect. I'm not going so far as to say 'EVERYONE MUST PRATICE QABBALAH!!!', I merely highlight it as another tool for veiwing the universe.

( I prefer the Q spelling to the K, for Qabbalah, to highlight my personal, mythic approach. The Q indicates a Western Occult/Hermetic tint. Which I think is the most up to date. Qabbalah is not a final product. As the universe grows and evolves, so shall Qabbalah)

Peace

Thanks and thanks.

My mother tongue is French and it gives a strange sound to the word Kabbalah. To my ear, so to speak, It goes from a mystical teaching to one that sounds like it is asking a question. Then again, Gnostic Christianity and Quabbalah are perpetual seeking traditions.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Oops

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

What practical good does that do you? What do you really gain that you can apply to your life?

You can not be a spiritual or religious person at all, but how productive is it spending your time finding contradictions in something you don't believe in? Just to validate what you don't believe?

Tromps

What did Jesus mean when he said to seek God and is that not what HypGnosis is doing?

Are we not both doing what your bible is advising us to do?

1Thesalonian 5;21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

You have just been Gnosticized my friend.

Get used to it or get on a winning team.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Edit: Discussing your beliefs with GB and Rick only made your belief stronger?! How the hell did that happen?!

Tribal entrenchment.

When one feels insecure, as when bested in thought, a conservative minded will seek to hide in his center. Our friend seeks a tit, so to speak. He may be ready to put away the childish toys, spiritually speaking.

Tromp. Come on buddy. As we Gnostics say, Sophia has faith in you.

Regards
DL

 

[Tromps]

Tromps

What did Jesus mean when he said to seek God and is that not what HypGnosis is doing?

Are we not both doing what your bible is advising us to do?

1Thesalonian 5;21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

You have just been Gnosticized my friend.

Get used to it or get on a winning team.

Regards
DL

Wait, you're using a Bible verse? I thought you believed the Bible & God to be a giant lie and myth? 8)

 

[MissBehavin'_416]

What's with all the hate for God on this forum? Guys, we are all his children whether we like it or whether WE wanna be kings of our universe. I haven't been here for a long while, but it's hard to believe why so many Bluelighters have so much against God. Pray people, you need church.
May the Lord bless you all.

 

[HypGnosis]

^Could you give me some examples of 'the hate for God on this forum', please?

Which church do you suggest these heretical Bluelighters attend? The Mormons?

 

[Xorkoth]

Proclaiming disbelief in the traditional concept of god (a singular entity who sits on high and judges and directs everything) is not hating, it's just expressing a different belief that to many is much more logical and realistic than the remnant of a different culture's myths. Of course some of here do express hate, but for me, it's just my attempt at understanding existence through my own direct experiences.

 

[ebola?]

What's with all the hate for God on this forum?

Do people hate things they consider imaginary?

ebola

 

[Tromps]

^Could you give me some examples of 'the hate for God on this forum', please?

Proclaiming disbelief in the traditional concept of god (a singular entity who sits on high and judges and directs everything) is not hating

Do people hate things they consider imaginary?

Here's just a few examples... I'll keep it anonymous, but it's there.

Take your deep hatred for Christianity elsewhere.

I take it everywhere.

Personally, I can hate without it causing too much of a negative emotional response.

How much hate does God have as compared to love in his heart?

There are some that are noticeably angry and hateful towards God and the belief in God, even though they don't believe.

 

[Tromps]

What's with all the hate for God on this forum? Guys, we are all his children whether we like it or whether WE wanna be kings of our universe. I haven't been here for a long while, but it's hard to believe why so many Bluelighters have so much against God. Pray people, you need church.
May the Lord bless you all.

Unfortunately, It's Biblical, that people will hate God, and they will hate His followers. It's to be expected.

Jesus reassures us we are blessed when we are hated, slandered, spoken evil of, and persecuted because of His names sake. To the one who perseveres to the end and finds refuge in God is truly blessed.

God bless everyone

 

[HypGnosis]

^^Those are a few, fairly tame examples directed at Christianity, not God

 

[rickolasnice]

Way to take my quote way out of context, Tromps.. I wasn't talking about Christianity, God or anything else.. I was talking about hate itself.

So fck you?