Lucifer

[Ninae]

Deleted for stupidity.

 

[swilow]

The innate polytheism of the worlds greatest monotheistic religion always surprises me. A pantheon of gods but with only one being 'true'. According to whom?

But I digress.

I'm not sure what you expect from this topic Ninae. In a brief look at your previous attempt at this topic, it seems that it was almost monological at times. I foresee no greater fate for this thread because your evidence is based on people who have somehow "channelled" information. I don't really think that provides much to discuss. Again you misuse the notions of other dimensions to provide import to what you say but inadvertently belie a fundamental void of knowledge of what these dimensions actually are. I too don't really understand what they are either, so I really avoid using them in my discussions.

But-on topic- I've actually spent a fair bit of time with some friends who considered themselves to be luciferians. Their perspective on this entity is that it predates christianity and is not associated with darkness and evil whatsoever and they use synonymous terms for it such as light-bearer/bringer or morning-star. They believe that the notion of self-hood of this entity is based on out-dated theological interpretation of astrology and that lucifer is merely another name for the planet Venus, known for being visible by day and obscured by night. They see this entity as reflecting passion, creativity, freedom and self-confidence. Of course, I believe they look at lucifer symbolically and seem aware that symbols are simply a reflection of truth, not the actual truth itself.

Ninae, perhaps you need to ask us some questions. This board is for active discussion; the blogs are for more personal exposition. If you start a topic that doesn't get anywhere, it may be because you aren't given people a means to 'get in on it'. Is this thread for discussion of chanelling? Because that elephant-in-the-room stands right the fuck out and is an instant push-back to my own intellectual curiosity. I can't discuss lucifer or speculate about its functions or history with you when you are talking about some random stuff that a person merely thought of and accepting it as veracious and legitimate.

Food for thought my dear

 

[Ninae]

Fine, but this post wasn't actually that long, and I don't plan to write any more long ones or get into any arguments about it. I just wanted to present this outlook on it as it might interest some. Even if you see no value in, or can't feel any belief in it, there might be some who will.

It all depends how you feel about Channelings and if you have actually read/listened to them, I guess (and if you have, can you honestly say that didn't come from an exceptional, brilliant soul?). I don't expect anything apart from giving people access to some information they perhaps should have.

My last thread isn't really relevant as it was designed differently and didn't turn out how I intended at all. We have endless threads on the same subjects. Besides, Foreigner was quite open to this concept as first, and he's my best Moderator (or actually has a remote idea of what I'm talking about).

 

[Foreigner]

My understanding is that Lucifer was actually the son of the Roman goddess Aurora, and Lucifer was considered the morning star. I forget his original Roman name, but he was not considered evil back then.

 

[Ninae]

That's part of it, there are so many versions of what Lucifer is/was, and that's what interests me about it.

And it's not just the story about Lucifer, but also the story of humanity's descencion and ascencion, or how he lead us to us to our fall but also to rise again.

He seems to have been just as important in the spiritual history of humankind as Jesus. Only Jesus is not a rebellious angel, but one of those "Saviour souls", who are brought in to uplift and rescue a planet or civilisation when it's at the brink of destruction. And, indeed, he's known for succeeding at it or as God's ultimate helpful weapon.

 

[What 23]

Both Jesus and Lucifer are the morning star.

The innate polytheism of the worlds greatest monotheistic religion always surprises me. A pantheon of gods but with only one being 'true'.

But he said "Thou shall not have any Gods before me"... Which seems to imply that there are 'others'. The way I see it is God is everything... There is only one, even if there are many.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

And in my country the Morning Star is the daily newspaper of the Communist Party.

Christ this is so confusing.

 

[Ninae]

I just know I can call on Lucifer like I can call on Jesus but they feel a bit different.

Jesus feels more human and is closer to the physical plane. It's like he's always there for you and can be reached quite easily. But if you manage to connect with Lucifer in your heart, the feeling is of something so holy and divine, it gives you shivers down your spine.

Like he's higher "up" in some way.

 

[What 23]

He was also the one who incarnated as Judas, as he was the only one who would have the strength to betray Christ. It wasn't a real betrayal, but a pre-agreement between them, Judas was his most loyal.

I'm just associating, but Judas was traditionally depicted with red hair. I might associate red with flame, and flame brings light.

Also around Jesus's death (and life) are many with names beginning with Mar. There was said to be three Marys at his tomb, and witnessing his death, I think. The Gospel of Mark is the only one to name them all, or something. In another I think there was a Martha... But I really don't know off hand. Jesus wore a red cloak, I think. Names with 'Mar' come from Mars, who is the Roman God of War. Ive pondered if there is anything to that. But, Mars might also mean 'Man'. Trailing off. Red... Don't mean to derail.

I guess he did say that he didn't come to bring peace, but a sword...

Again, nobody trail off with me here.

 

[Ninae]

"Lucky Star" by Madonna also seems to be some misguided song written for Lucifer to double as a lovesong ("Shine your heavenly body tonight"). Those crazy Luciferians that made his life hell. I also know what it's like to be inspired by Lucifer, but not in that way.



She has a "dark" energy about her and sees him as the head of darkness or believes in the lie.

 

[bit_pattern]

I'm just associating, but Judas was traditionally depicted with red hair.

Lol 8)

Traditionally, huh?

Judas Iscariot is often represented with red hair in Spanish culture[68][69][70] and by William Shakespeare.[70][71] The practice is comparable to the Renaissance portrayal of Jews with red hair, which was then regarded as a negative trait and which may have been used to correlate Judas Iscariot with contemporary Jews.[72]

But, hey, who needs facts when playing association games that make you feel like you're being deep and insightful - saying something is "traditional" sounds so authoritative and just feels right.

 

[Ninae]

I think Judas was an educated scholar fom a wealthy background who wrote down many of his words. That was also how he was portrayed in the TV drama "Jesus of Nazareth".

Jesus was also from a comfortable background and well educated, apparantly, and not poor as we're led to believe. You can also tell from the way he spoke he was a highly educated man. He just chose to put his wisdom in more simple terms for the benefit of the people.

 

[Shrooms00087]

Anyway, from what I've been informed, last summer he was at last able to finnish his thousands-year long assignment and return to where he came from. He took a million of the dark souls on this Earth (mostly 4th dimensional beings)

Sneaky fuck.

 

[Ninae]

Yea, his idea was to "Beat them at their own game", and he mostly succeeded as the brilliance of his inner light made him more powerful and intelligent. I love Lucifer. He was so courageous and cool as fuck.

Here are also some messages from him somewhere:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/channelpanel/2014/05/22/channel-panel-with-st-germain-and-lucifer


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/channelpanel/2013/08/01/channel-panel-with-god-lucifer-stgermain-sananda


And this explains how he accomplished all that:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hollowearthnetwork/2013/08/24/hollow-earth-network

(The only problem with those broadcasts is that you have to listen to 30 minutes of crap before they get to the point).

 

[bit_pattern]

That was also how he was portrayed in the TV drama "Jesus of Nazareth".

Oh. Well. That settles it then!

 

[What 23]

Lol 8)

Traditionally, huh?

Judas Iscariot is often represented with red hair in Spanish culture[68][69][70] and by William Shakespeare.[70][71] The practice is comparable to the Renaissance portrayal of Jews with red hair, which was then regarded as a negative trait and which may have been used to correlate Judas Iscariot with contemporary Jews.[72]

But, hey, who needs facts when playing association games that make you feel like you're being deep and insightful - saying something is "traditional" sounds so authoritative and just feels right.

"Red hair is also fairly common amongst the Ashkenazi Jewish populations, possibly because of the influx of European DNA over a period of centuries,[citation needed] or in the original founding of their communities in Europe.[15] Both Esau and David are described in the Bible as red-haired. In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait: during the Spanish Inquisition, all those with red hair were identified as Jewish.[16] In Italy, red hair was associated with Italian Jews, and Judas was traditionally depicted as red-haired in Italian and Spanish art.[17] Writers from Shakespeare to Dickens would identify Jewish characters by giving them red hair.[18] The stereotype that red hair is Jewish remains in parts of Eastern Europe and Russia."

Traditionally, according to certain influential sources. Honestly dude, it seems as if you follow me around this forum just to be a dick any little chance you get.

The fact that I associate it is something I don't take lightly, not that I conflated 'traditionally' with something that was absolutely true. It doesn't change the fact that red hair/red still plays in the image (blood of Christ, his cloak...). The fact that Judas is displayed with red hair could play well symbolically. Artistically.

You always criticize people, and derail things. You set things up in such a way that makes the person feel like they have to defend themselves, leading the thread that direction. If you want to be critical, fuck man, that is fine... But your attitude is shit. There are much more better ways that are actually conducive to good conversation/discussion, and YOU KNOW THIS.

A common depiction of Mary Magdalene is that she has red hair. Is this negative? I didn't see it as negative.

 

[Ninae]

"My team always wins the penalties. And the World Series".

Indeed, and I love the way he speaks so slow with a pause inbetween every word, like he's completely confident he'll hold everyone's attention.

I guess natural for someone who's been worshipped for so long.

 

[bit_pattern]

"Red hair is also fairly common amongst the Ashkenazi Jewish populations, possibly because of the influx of European DNA over a period of centuries,[citation needed] or in the original founding of their communities in Europe.[15] Both Esau and David are described in the Bible as red-haired. In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait: during the Spanish Inquisition, all those with red hair were identified as Jewish.[16] In Italy, red hair was associated with Italian Jews, and Judas was traditionally depicted as red-haired in Italian and Spanish art.[17] Writers from Shakespeare to Dickens would identify Jewish characters by giving them red hair.[18] The stereotype that red hair is Jewish remains in parts of Eastern Europe and Russia."

Traditionally, according to certain influential sources. Honestly dude, it seems as if you follow me around this forum just to be a dick any little chance you get.

The fact that I associate it is something I don't take lightly, not that I conflated 'traditionally' with something that was absolutely true. It doesn't change the fact that red hair/red still plays in the image (blood of Christ, his cloak...). The fact that Judas is displayed with red hair could play well symbolically. Artistically.

You always criticize people, and derail things. You set things up in such a way that makes the person feel like they have to defend themselves, leading the thread that direction. If you want to be critical, fuck man, that is fine... But your attitude is shit. There are much more better ways that are actually conducive to good conversation/discussion, and YOU KNOW THIS.

A common depiction of Mary Magdalene is that she has red hair. Is this negative? I didn't see it as negative.

Lol, do you even read what you copy and paste?

In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait: during the Spanish Inquisition, all those with red hair were identified as Jewish.[16]

Traditionally, according to certain influential sources.

Yes. The anti-Semitic Spanish Inquisition. There is nothing here that suggests that Judas either had red hair OR that such a trait symbolised the mumbo-jumbo associations you tired to make.

The fact that I associate it is something I don't take lightly, not that I conflated 'traditionally' with something that was absolutely true. It doesn't change the fact that red hair/red still plays in the image (blood of Christ, his cloak...). The fact that Judas is displayed with red hair could play well symbolically. Artistically.

Yes, in other words, you can just make up stuff that makes you feel like your kind of deep, spiritual and edgy 8)

Fuck off. If you want to be critical

Oh. Charming.

A common depiction of Mary Magdalene is that she has red hair. Is this negative? I didn't see it as negative.

Well that depends on how the "common" depicters are trying to portray her - from what I know of European Christian depictions of the Jewish aspect of the Jesus story I highly doubt that it was a positive depiction. What I DO know thugh is that it probably has very little to do with the kind of psuedo-spiritual mumbo jumbo interpretations you are trying to superimpose over the representation, that's for sure.

 

[What 23]

Okay buddy.

No matter how they might associate it, I never saw it as purely negative.

The depiction of Adam and Eve with red hair is common. Although the story has some things considered negative, it is not totally negative, unless you want to consider us totally negative and thats that.

"Adam (Hebrew: אָדָם, Arabic: آدم) as a proper name, predates its generic use in Semitic languages. Its earliest known use as a genuine name in historicity is Adamu, as recorded in the Assyrian King List.[2] Its use as a common word in the Hebrew language is ׳āḏām, meaning "human". Coupled with the definite article, it becomes "the human".[3]

Its root is not attributed to the Semitic root for "man" -(n)-sh. Rather, ׳āḏām is linked to its triliteral root אָדָם (a-d-m), meaning "red", "fair", "handsome".[4] As a masculine noun, 'adam[5] means "man", "mankind" usually in a collective context as in humankind.[4][6] The noun 'adam is also the masculine form of the word adamah which means "ground" or "earth". It is related to the words: adom (red), admoni (ruddy), and dam (blood).[7]"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam

 

[Shrooms00087]

Yea, his idea was to "Beat them at their own game", and he mostly succeeded as the brilliance of his inner light made him more powerful and intelligent. I love Lucifer. He was so courageous and cool as fuck.

What game? I'm not going to watch the videos to get to the point.