Gibberings CLXXVI - We might have hit 100 before one of these dopey fuckers noticed

[ColtDan]

Benzos for anxiety are like paving over a crack in a wall, which then splits after making the hole bigger. or something

 

[joe90]

The dark side of benzos is not very pleasant. Trying to get away from them when you get a habit is a nasty business. It's nearly as bad as giving up nicotine.

 

[ColtDan]

Haha. on par with giving up coffee

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Allein: Im saying I dont personally understand rebound anxiety from one off usage because I dont get it I just get a nice afterglow. Rebound anxiety from extended periods of usage are a different thing.

 

[rpm]

Allein: Im saying I dont personally understand rebound anxiety from one off usage because I dont get it I just get a nice afterglow. Rebound anxiety from extended periods of usage are a different thing.

As I said I don't think it's rebound anxiety (most benzos are still working on you the next day). I think it's more a kind of heightening of other emotions because the benzos take away some emotional control. In psychoanalysis anxiety is often viewed as a defense against confronting deeper emotions. Take that away and the deeper emotions surface.

I suppose another way of looking at it is that it's similar to how some people cry or get angry at the end of a heavy night drinking

 

[ColtDan]

Same here i get a nice afterglow usually

Used to get rebound edgy weird anxiety from hammering the shite out of booze when i was younger, so eased off. then got rebound off etiz so eased off, then rebound off oxy and gave that shite up completely in the end. etiz fucks with me quite badly if i do it too often, last resort for me now. I do need some better sleepers after a stim sesh though, xanax or zops or something

 

[Sammy G]

Rebound off oxy?

 

[ColtDan]

Oops not rebound, mild w/d, the edgy anxiety hightened feeling felt like the reboundy shit i had off booze and overdoing benzos. hate that feeling, its like beyond anxiety or some odd shit, ultra aware of everything and feeling wrong

 

[Allein]

Allein: Im saying I dont personally understand rebound anxiety from one off usage because I dont get it I just get a nice afterglow. Rebound anxiety from extended periods of usage are a different thing.

I see your point now apologies, although it seems likely that even one off doses might resilt in some unwanted consequencesgiven the gap between theraputic doses and recreational ones.

Rebound off oxy?

Hmmm I dont think id call it rebound. Recently ive tried skipping morphine doses and even at the modezt amountz im taking ive felt slight restlessness and some insomia, it may not have been as a direct consequence but i suspect it was

 

[zzz101]

the benzo withdrawl i find,it;s a feeling of like you are coming up on lsd. mixed with no sleep, depression. can still live life after a day of rest. I do not want to experiance what benzo withdrawl is like.

i've had 10x worse from opiates. just hte RLS and can't lay still at night from that body-load feeling and pain in arms / more so legs. like you have ran all day. so haven't had both much of either. but fuck benzos they are shit in the end.

i want oxy, and want more MXE.

only had weed plus sniffed 5mg of MXE. felt like typing on my keyboard. have fun

yea dan rebound off benzos n booze is shitty. ah good times when i have done that. i sometimes think i am MORE sober, i am sure not though.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

if only benzo w/d was as easy as nicotine/caffeine w/d which is all over within 24-48 hours usually (the physical cravings part atleast). I find it so easy to stop smoking that i keep returning to it again and again. Im so daunted by the prospect of benzo w/d that ive stubbornly refused to even begin tapeing any further, just had 2 weeks off work too which would have been the perfect opportunity to slash a bit off my dose. I think ive bulit it up to expect it to be fucking hell on earth, so the prospect of going through months of torture isnt very appealling. Ofcourse it may be largely all in the mind, about how you approach the taper and such, but there is also the physical side to consider.

 

[Sammy G]

Good luck. I've never really taken benzos for longer than a few months at a stretch so I can only imagine it's daunting. Though the long-term effects of benzo dependency are significantly more frightening IMO.

Still, wouldn't want to have to stop xanax again. That was horrible.

 

[ColtDan]

the benzo withdrawl i find,it;s a feeling of like you are coming up on lsd. mixed with no sleep, depression. can still live life after a day of rest. I do not want to experiance what benzo withdrawl is like.

i've had 10x worse from opiates. just hte RLS and can't lay still at night from that body-load feeling and pain in arms / more so legs. like you have ran all day. so haven't had both much of either. but fuck benzos they are shit in the end.

i want oxy, and want more MXE.

only had weed plus sniffed 5mg of MXE. felt like typing on my keyboard. have fun

yea dan rebound off benzos n booze is shitty. ah good times when i have done that. i sometimes think i am MORE sober, i am sure not though.

Wicked stuff that MXE

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Good luck. I've never really taken benzos for longer than a few months at a stretch so I can only imagine it's daunting. Though the long-term effects of benzo dependency are significantly more frightening IMO.

Still, wouldn't want to have to stop xanax again. That was horrible.

cheers, thats a good point about the long term effects of benzo dependancy, one which i keep so easily and conveniently forgetting. Because day by day they make things, everything, so much easier. I wonder if and when it's going to 'turn on me', worsening my mood etc, i see no signs of that atall so far, after taking them for longer than im prepared to admit, i still love my knock out bedtime dose.

As benzoed as i may be i still wouldnt leave my bike unlocked outside a supermarket like i just saw one young twenty something do. He must be very new to the area or something, he'll soon learn the hard way that it will get stolen within 2 minutes. I did warn him, no idea if he heeded my warning or not.

 

[ColtDan]

Quick question, ironically i cant remember if ive asked it before which is a bit bad haha usually my memory is quite sharp, has anyone woken up with weird random muscle aches after going to sleep on benzos? a few weeks ago i woke up with my arms aching, felt like i'd been to the gym for hours or something, ached like a bastard all day

 

[Sammy G]

Bike outside the supermarket? You're joking, right?

I think the nature of benzos makes it difficult to worry about their more troublesome aspects, so it's tricky. Sounds like there are some psychological issues at play if you're still actively enjoying that bedtime dose.

Quick question, ironically i cant remember if ive asked it before which is a bit bad haha usually my memory is quite sharp, has anyone woken up with weird random muscle aches after going to sleep on benzos? a few weeks ago i woke up with my arms aching, felt like i'd been to the gym for hours or something, ached like a bastard all day

I believe it's not unheard of. Can't remember it happening to me, but that's not to say it hasn't.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

yeah i think ive konked out in some awkward postures, damaged some shoulder/kneck ligaments or something that were playing up for several months afterwards. I finally went to see a physiotherapist who gave me excellent advice on posture and stuff, and a regime of excercises to do, that have done the trick. It still occasionally niggles, but then i just have to go back to the posture and exercises advice.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Bike outside the supermarket? You're joking, right?

I think the nature of benzos makes it difficult to worry about their more troublesome aspects, so it's tricky. Sounds like there are some psychological issues at play if you're still actively enjoying that bedtime dose.

No joke, it was so unusual that i actually spoke to a stranger to tell him, something which is also very unsual for me to do. The guy didnt have a care in the world. I remember my ex-ex-ex neighbour left his bike propped up outside his front terrace wall to answer the phone, by the time he came back it had gone. Some people are just far too trusting or just plain clueless, i dunno.

And yeah, the second bit, well due to the nature of benzos i dont want to know at present. Its so easy to block things out. Therein lies their appeal and their danger.

 

[One Thousand Words]

Someone stole our empty recycling bin while we ducked off for 20min to grab breakfast.

It was a pretty sweet bin. At least we still have the swinging lid for it

 

[Shambles]

I've never seen anybody lock a bike around these parts. I also go out (sometimes away for a few days) and forget to close windows or lock the front door. There are some advantages to living in the arse end of nowhere. Not many but some.