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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

I'm still confused at the hype around synthetic cannabinoids. I have been using (pure) JWH-018 & 5F-UR-144 nearly daily for a year now and have noticed little ill effects. I occasionally eyeball doses, sometimes I weigh them; I always take roughly the same amount and have never overdosed. My tolerance has not skyrocketed and weed still works fine. Recently I took a two week break and noticed no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. Am I crazy to think they can be used responsibly? I do enjoy using them; should I be sticking around to find out?
 
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I just smoked some "fake blend" as in just one cannabinoid was put on some herbs, 3 different kind of herbs, they probably all have their own taste, my tiny hit in my bowl tasted like grapes, but I knew the sole product written to be in there was true AB-Fubinica. And goddamn, I was scared of the kind of psychosis thc puts me in these days, hence the tiny bowl, i received this stuff as samples mixed in what I really ordered.

MAN THIS STUFF MAKES YOU SLEEPY, instant yawning away, i still ate some valium pre-emptively but with my benzo tolerance sky high, 20mg benzo would make a panic attack tolerable, not disappear. There was no panic attack, and I slept like a baby, REAL FAST. I heard some people say this is the best since JWH-018, if so, please guys, don't sell to idiots who will sell back in headshops where scoop searching bored local news tv station try to make bad publicity for you. And the case of these products, bad pub exists. The DEA usually only bans psychedelics that people have died from. Good ol' 2c-e can still be had even in the state of kentucky m'boy.

Now more seriously, I can't believe I enjoyed it, I thought i would have to reach for xanax and tranxene and mix em both at high doses + the valium I already take every day no matter what circumstances.
 
I normally buy am2201 and jwh-018 and mix 1gr of chem to 2 ounces of damiana for a smooth controllable blend. I'm trying some new cannaboids this time and I'm wondering if the 1gr to 2 ounces damiana ratio will work good with any cannaboids? I cannot find any info on how much chem to add for the following cannaboids:

UR-144
NM-2201
THJ-2201
AB-CHMINACA

Any info on the appropriate amounts to use for these 4 cannaboids would be appreciated, I don't want anyone to overdose or get sick by using too much of them. How much per ounce?
 
HazelCloud said:
I'm still confused at the hype around synthetic cannabinoids. I have been using (pure) JWH-018 & 5F-UR-144 nearly daily for a year now and have noticed little ill effects. I occasionally eyeball doses, sometimes I weigh them; I always take roughly the same amount and have never overdosed. My tolerance has not skyrocketed and weed still works fine. Recently I took a two week break and noticed no withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. Am I crazy to think they can be used responsibly? I do enjoy using them; should I be sticking around to find out?
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No you are not crazy, some people just have no self control, and like to push their limits, the extremes of these highs can be very intense and very addicting for a person with a death wish.

I've watched people go through 2G of powder in a matter of 2 or 3 days, when that would last me around 3 months.

As u probably know some of them can be hallucinogens, and take you to other worlds...some people like going there, and often, me I like earth, albeit with a slight buzz, but earth is my home!
 
a12mcmullin said:
I normally buy am2201 and jwh-018 and mix 1gr of chem to 2 ounces of damiana for a smooth controllable blend. I'm trying some new cannaboids this time and I'm wondering if the 1gr to 2 ounces damiana ratio will work good with any cannaboids? I cannot find any info on how much chem to add for the following cannaboids:

UR-144
NM-2201
THJ-2201
AB-CHMINACA

Any info on the appropriate amounts to use for these 4 cannaboids would be appreciated, I don't want anyone to overdose or get sick by using too much of them. How much per ounce?
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I can only speak on the bottom two. the top are far too addictive and short lived IMHO, early research (before researching if ya dig what I mean) indicated those two to be hazardous for various reasons.

Now as far as the third one on that list, IF you can get a good source of the crystal form it is superb, (also known as 5F-THJ-018 ). much like JWH-250 which also from the right source and purity was stellar.
The last one, now that one if in crystal form is a devilicious, and to be respected, not for the faint of heart, although if your mice danced with AM2201 and walked away unscabbed you should be fine. In the powder form, well here in the US be careful there is some dubious stuff out there, either mislabeled or whatever but be wary of your sources and it's appearance/consistency!
 
jeremysdemo said:
No you are not crazy, some people just have no self control, and like to push their limits, the extremes of these highs can be very intense and very addicting for a person with a death wish.

I've watched people go through 2G of powder in a matter of 2 or 3 days, when that would last me around 3 months.

As u probably know some of them can be hallucinogens, and take you to other worlds...some people like going there, and often, me I like earth, albeit with a slight buzz, but earth is my home!
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I came to a similar conclusion honestly. Like they say, the dose makes the poison, and this seems to apply to all substances. One thing worth noting is that I managed to somehow only use about 2-3 grams of 5F-UR-144 and a gram of JWH-018 in the past year (daily use with a ~1 week break per month). No adverse effects were noted besides some minor HPPD and anxiety that was most likely induced by excessive psychedelic drug use... I prefer to take those when I feel the need to travel to other worlds ;)

That being said, I have a cautious personality and typically dose low with most drugs. I believe it would turn out a lot differently for someone with little self control or addictive tendencies as you mentioned. In my experience synthetic cannabinoids can be used responsibly, with the dose/frequency of use being the exception.
 
going to give thj2001 another try

right not to sure if this will fly but here goes today while at the doctors got told it will take a month before benzo are clear of my urine was wondering about noids any idea ?
 
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I plan to finally give AB CHMINACA a try in a day or two. I survived am2201 and have a decent tolerance atm from near daily use of another noid. I was in no rush to try it as it was a bit cheaper than my go to noid but after some research it seems that other than being dangerously potent it sounds enjoyable to say the least. The long duration is a big plus, what I use now gets me too high but I'm craving more within a half hour.
 
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foolsgold said:
going to give thj2001 another try

right not to sure if this will fly but here goes today while at the doctors got told it will take a month before benzo are clear of my urine was wondering about noids any idea ?
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It's highly unlikely that most synthetic cannabinoids will be tested for or are even available for testing. To my knowledge, this is part of the reason they continue to be produced in the first place. The longer cannabis and it's related compounds remain illegal = more 'noids that avoid legal jurisdiction and drug tests. Only a few labs test for 'noids and usually this is only on request and for the most popular ones such as JWH-018.

However, this is not to say it's impossible to test for them. It's just that nobody has the time to sit there and identify the metabolites of hundreds of coumpounds... that will be obselete by the time their work is complete. A slight variation on a chemical's structure can change it's entire metabolic path, the properties of the compound and it's metabolites. RC producers take advantage of this and will continue making these slight variations into the infinite realm of cannabinoid structures. This can be seen with all drug classes - MXE, etizolam, 25i-NBOMe, MDPV, BZP, etc. probably wouldn't have made it far out of the laboratory if it weren't for the help of prohibition. Yet somehow society continues to ignore this perpetually-worsening damage it inflicts on itself. Yes, I use synthetic cannabinoids. Why? To avoid losing my freedom to the imposed "consequences" of cannabis use... I'm sure many have the same reasoning.

Anyways, this has turned into a bit (a lot) of a rant and I will attempt to actually answer your question now. Assuming the lab has the knowledge and equipment to test for a particular cannabinoid, the high fat solubility common in that class would likely mean it would stay in your system for quite a while. I'd say 3-5 weeks as an educated guesstimate. However, due to the vast array of cannabinoid compounds nobody can say for sure... better to just assume they won't be tested for. That's what they were invented for, anyways.
 
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i don't think synthetic cannabinoids are fat-soluble like THC is.
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Interesting. I'm nowhere near an expert on the subject, but I do know many of them are not or only slightly soluble in water... hence the need to use isopropyl alcohol or acetone to make blends.
 
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How many mg/gram to make a good ab-chmnaica blend (however the hell you spell?) Not looking for one hitter quitter btw, 99% of the tine i take the fewest hits off the blunt in a session.
 
Pretty new to the pure chemical. Interested in making a quality e-liquid with some 5F-AKB-48. Will be using a drip style atomizer, so you are able to vaporize one drop at time. what concentration (mg/ml) do you recommend that I begin with? Also, it looked like others were using grain alcohol to dissolve the noid, and mixing with vegetable glycerine + propylene glycol, followed by evaporation of the alcohol...Does anyone have any experience with this?
 
treezy z said:
How many mg/gram to make a good ab-chmnaica blend (however the hell you spell?) Not looking for one hitter quitter btw, 99% of the tine i take the fewest hits off the blunt in a session.
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the clear/opaque crystal form? or white/offwhite powder?

if it is the first it is extremely potent and very little bit can make a huge batch (100mg to 20G) dosages were crazy potent even in the 1~2mg rang.

the stuff was just insane, now the powder form going around in the states was less than stellar IMHO.
 
n1ge19912k11 said:
Anybody any Oral dosages for AB FUBINACA?
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it's been my experience twice the amount then smoking.

that being said, respect this shit bro! do not give anything to the mice on an empty stomach, they tend to metabolize better with some fuel in the engine.
 
HazelCloud said:
That being said, I have a cautious personality and typically dose low with most drugs. I believe it would turn out a lot differently for someone with little self control or addictive tendencies as you mentioned. In my experience synthetic cannabinoids can be used responsibly, with the dose/frequency of use being the exception.
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I agree, everything on earth has the potential for abuse, but that should not deter legitimate research into the beneficial properties IMHO.

it's a shame the legislative branch of the US does not agree, but think that privilege should only be given to the elite few.
 
HazelCloud said:
It's highly unlikely that most synthetic cannabinoids will be tested for or are even available for testing. To my knowledge, this is part of the reason they continue to be produced in the first place. The longer cannabis and it's related compounds remain illegal = more 'noids that avoid legal jurisdiction and drug tests. Only a few labs test for 'noids and usually this is only on request and for the most popular ones such as JWH-018.

However, this is not to say it's impossible to test for them. It's just that nobody has the time to sit there and identify the metabolites of hundreds of coumpounds... that will be obselete by the time their work is complete. A slight variation on a chemical's structure can change it's entire metabolic path, the properties of the compound and it's metabolites. RC producers take advantage of this and will continue making these slight variations into the infinite realm of cannabinoid structures. This can be seen with all drug classes - MXE, etizolam, 25i-NBOMe, MDPV, BZP, etc. probably wouldn't have made it far out of the laboratory if it weren't for the help of prohibition. Yet somehow society continues to ignore this perpetually-worsening damage it inflicts on itself. Yes, I use synthetic cannabinoids. Why? To avoid losing my freedom to the imposed "consequences" of cannabis use... I'm sure many have the same reasoning.

Anyways, this has turned into a bit (a lot) of a rant and I will attempt to actually answer your question now. Assuming the lab has the knowledge and equipment to test for a particular cannabinoid, the high fat solubility common in that class would likely mean it would stay in your system for quite a while. I'd say 3-5 weeks as an educated guesstimate. However, due to the vast array of cannabinoid compounds nobody can say for sure... better to just assume they won't be tested for. That's what they were invented for, anyways.
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nice one thank you think i am a little screwed here then so no point me stopping smoking
 
Recently came across ''FUB-AKB48'' - anyone tried this one yet and care to share their experiences?

"More like AKB48 than ABFUBINACA it was compared to, but more mentally and physically 'jittery' feeling than either... "

About all I got so far...



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