• 🇬🇧󠁿 🇸🇪 🇿🇦 🇮🇪 🇬🇭 🇩🇪 🇪🇺
    European & African
    Drug Discussion

    Welcome Guest!
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
  • EADD Moderators: Shambles

Flight MH17 - What happened?

So does the West hold the blame for this by fermenting regime change in Kiev & starting this whole thing off, or is Russia to blame for ratcheting up the tension by arming a rebellion against the new regime & possibly even planning an invasion of Eastern Ukraine?

To me, it doesn't matter which side shot down the plane, what matters is how we got to the point where Ukranian & Russian forces are shooting each other out of the sky. I'm relatively certain it was an accident, an attempt to bring down an enemy aircraft that went wrong. But now there are reports of jet fighters also in the region, perhaps even shadowing the plane & the possibility remains that this flight was brought down deliberately, for reasons that escape me.

I'm still gobsmacked by the coincidental loss of TWO Malaysian Airliners within less than 6 months & very suspicious by the lack of evidence surrounding MH370, which is still completely unaccounted for. Has anyone else noticed that the flight path planned by MH17 back to KL exactly mirrors the possible northern corridor of the lost flight MH370 that was considered alongside the southern corridor over the Indian ocean that was eventually quite well searched.

edit - The shadowing fighters story comes from some Russian news agency & is efectively an attempt to blame a Ukranian fighter for the tragedy.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...996784244?nk=8ad356e5a13fc1eb3b628f70b4442871

... & if Russian conspiracy theories about MH17 are your thing, this page investigates some of those being reported, apparently by established media, in Russia -

http://www.newrepublic.com/node/118782
 
Last edited:
Si Ingwe said:
So does the West hold the blame for this by fermenting regime change in Kiev & starting this whole thing off, or is Russia to blame for ratcheting up the tension by arming a rebellion against the new regime & possibly even planning an invasion of Eastern Ukraine?
Click to expand...

The West holds the blame for starting it in my opinion. Not to say Russia is innocent. I think they had to act to take Crimea, but I think they could have played the East Ukraine thing differently so that it didn't get to where it is today.

Although to have played it differently would really have meant to completely give in which isn't really an option either, you can't just give up constantly.I guess they could have properly went in and just fucking claimed it with a full scale invasion but that would then rely on the other side completely giving in which possibly wouldn't have happened - and then we'd all be fucked.

It's one of those ones where I can't see how anyone could win, so the best option would have been never to start playing. It was the US/EU that started the game.
 
Or did this in fact all begin with the Crimean invasion..? Was the Ukranian revolution, supported by the West, in fact a reaction to Russian moves into Crimea? In that case, Russian aggression is the root cause.
 
it still pissed off the West & perhaps gave Putin the confidence to start on Ukraine too...
 
Sammy G said:
Si -the 'weirdness' I was referring to was in the video rickolasnice originally posted - the way the camera jerks upward for a second as if in response to the sound that can be heard from overhead.
Click to expand...

The camera is jerked about a second before the explosion. The explosion is the last remnants of the intact plane hitting the ground. The fall from 33,000 feet would take a lot, lot longer than a few seconds and any fighter jet would be long gone by the time the plane hit the ground.

Trying to attribute shaky video to a potential fighter jet being present is just as bad as a crappy youtube video filming a military vehicle in an unknown area and claiming it was the missile launcher used to shoot down the plane!
 
Once again, you're not reading people's posts properly. Nobody's attempting to 'attribute shaky video to a potential fighter jet being present' (can a 'potential' fighter jet be 'present' anyhow? Sorry, cheap shot. :D ); we're just speculating.

With regard to the upward movement of the camera, I don't buy your explanation. The camera operator clearly has the plane's trajectory in sight, so any upward movement is just unnecessary - in all likelihood it's just bad amateur camera-work, admittedly, but the additional 'plane' noise does seem consistent with (reliable? anybody's guess) eyewitness accounts from the scene. Again, this could be anything.

As for that being the last remnants of the plane and not the bulk of the wreckage, from where did you get that information?

Also, the '312' BUK was most definitely the one featured in the Kiev junta's 'damning' video evidence of Russia supposedly arming the rebels. Have a look.

I'm afraid 'crappy Youtube videos' are pretty much all we have in the absence of ATC records and so forth, in a region that has been totally destabilised by different foreign influences and is the subject of impenetrable propaganda. That's why we're speculating. Sorry if this offends you.

Or have you dropped the Tory Troll schtick in favour of Obama Troll? ;)

EDIT: It appears the flight recorders have emerged anyhow. Not sure how much we'll learn from them, but it's proper evidence at the very least. Now let's see what Ukrainian ATC do about their own records. I'm not holding my breath.
 
Last edited:
parttime crackhead said:
I don't think you know what's going on tbh. Crimea is part of Ukraine.

Would it matter if it had "pissed off the west"? They had already overthrown the Kiev government.
Click to expand...

its a wonder I engage in debate with combative types such as your good self. Isn't it? Because in all honesty, I cannot work out why I fucking bother...

parttime crackhead said:
Ehm, no. Russia were already legitimately in Crimea. They "invaded" by walking out of their bases. After Maidan.
Click to expand...

...because, if Crimea was/is part of Ukraine, regardless of where Russian troops came from, they most definitely invaded & took over the country/region. Bceause it was not Russian, it was Ukranian. This I thought turned up the heat amongst the demonstrators, garnered much media attention & fascillitated the overthrow of the pro-Russian previous Kiev regime. & that's when Moscow started arming rebels in the East. Perhaps I'm wrong. Correct me politely, if you have it in you.
 
Last edited:
Yes, you're wrong. The overthrow of the (democratically elected) previous Ukrainian administration happened in February 2014, after the initial protests which began in November 2013. The official Russian intervention occurred in March 2014.

Besides which, I see nothing 'combative' at all in PTCH's post. Although this wouldn't be the first time I've witnessed you getting peeved at somebody (myself included) pointing out the fact you have your wires crossed about some issue or other.

I don't mean any malice by that whatsoever; it's just an observation.

You're also disregarding the referendum which was held in Crimea, in which an overwhelming majority voted to rejoin Russia. Not to mention the ethnic makeup of the region and its historical ties to Russia (as well as Ukraine).

In fact, Russia has more of a mandate in that territory than any western government I can think of has in its own land. But let's just fuck democracy, yeah? Unless it's Nato-approved democracy, natch.
 
Last edited:
Apologies for the double post, but it appears Russia has (unlike the Ukrainian government) released military monitoring data which shows two military planes shadowing flight MH17, and has ten NEW questions for Kiev: http://rt.com/news/174496-malaysia-crash-russia-questions/

Obviously it's RT, but again these questions seem reasonable, and the accompanying evidence (which of course could be fake) is certainly pretty compelling.
 
False flag attack, Putin was in Brazil at the BRICS meeting discussing the creation of an alternative to the Bretton Woods Institutions, World Bank and IMF, that would lessen American economic hegemony.

The plane was directed to the area by Kiev air control and shot down either by the government or by pro-Kiev fascist militias, to blame the Russians and further isolate them, also this would make it impossible for Putin to continue the supply of weapons to Russian ethnics in the east of Ukraine that are currently being ethnically cleansed by EU/NATO sponsored pro-kiev militias.
 
Another tape? Or just the same one that's been widely discredited since it was released last week? It appears to be the latter.

Any comment on the ten new questions (and accompanying images)?

Mental Kenny said:
False flag attack, Putin was in Brazil at the BRICS meeting discussing the creation of an alternative to the Bretton Woods Institutions, World Bank and IMF, that would lessen American economic hegemony.
Click to expand...

Pure coincidence, of course. ;)

The fact that this would destabilise western economies and the existing world order (far more than an oil crisis would) can't be anything to do with this, can it? :D
 
Last edited:
Maybe the Illuminati have a deal with Malaysian Airlines.. Told them to fly that way and then shot them out of the sky.. So they could blame it on Russia o_O

Surely Ukraine isn't stupid enough to try this false flag operation shit themselves?

Just read those 10 questions Sammy.. Ukraine does have a lot to answer for.
 
rickolasnice said:
Maybe the Illuminati have a deal with Malaysian Airlines.. Told them to fly that way and then shot them out of the sky.. So they could blame it on Russia o_O
Click to expand...

Now you mention it... :D

rickolasnice said:
Surely Ukraine isn't stupid enough to try this false flag operation shit themselves?
Click to expand...

If they're doing it of their own volition, then I agree it's stupid. Maybe they counted on their Nato puppetmasters covering their tracks (as it would appear), but it's anybody's guess.

Meanwhile, more madness from the west's favourite fascist junta.

There's something not right here. :\

Covering their tracks, perhaps?
 
Black box found then? ;)

I so wanted this to have been pro-/Russians that did this.. I don't like Putin.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top