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Witnessed crazy reaction to molly + weed - insights appreciated

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4 friends and I had a little brocation this past weekend, and one of the nights was designated as rolling night. One friend had never done it, and generally just drinks - no drugs, not even weed. Another friend had some a few months ago, and that was his first time, again not a drug user. That first time, I was with him, and the stuff we had was really odd. He said he had a fairly high dose, and wasn't THAT affected. So I just concluded maybe he's just got a high tolerance for it, and he thought the same. A little background about this guy - he's not a "chill" type. Super competitive, intense and not a guy who'd smoke weed if that makes sense.

Ok, with that intro out of the way, here's what we did. 5 guys. 8 moonrocks, 8 mollies (100 mg each). The friend who's never done it, stayed sober. (And thank god for this) The other friend, he mimic'd what I did and my other 2 friends. All 3 of us are fairly experienced drug users, and we all smoke regularly. We took 2 MRs, then 1 molly about an hour in, and then another about an hour later. I usually go 300 mg or more. So my friend, he takes a few tokes earlier than everyone else, because he's acting like its wearing off already on him, which is like in line with his first experience. So I'm like ok, let's pop another one. And we pop the 3rd, and then the 4th. Started at 9 am btw. The first hour or two in, he's fine, great even. In fact, he seemed to be having a really good roll. And then it got crazy. He began tripping HARD, like the insanity of a really strong acid trip, except for him, I think since he's intense and inexperienced with drugs, his mind was blown to all hell. His face was spasming uncontrollably, like weird ass creepy faces. Almost seemed like demonic possession. He was also SUPER tense, flexing and locking his entire body, hands, feet. We kept trying to relax him but as soon as we did, he'd pop back up and get all crazy again.

He would have like 5 seconds of clarity in spurts, and then go back in the rabbit hole. And during those moments, he said he was fine. he never seemed like he was bad tripping (like mental/emotionally), but damn, I can't imagine what he was feeling being fun. It really looked like he was trying to fight it so hard, but it was straight owning him. It was really jarring to see. And the crazy thing is the peak period lasted I would say, 5 hours. He couldn't form a single sentence until maybe 5 am.

I wasn't freaked out by his inability to talk, or his completely confused state of mind. It was the physical reaction that was scary. We made sure to check his temp and heart rate, and it seemed ok.

Has anyone ever seen anything like this?
 
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Oh, one thing I wanted to add. So this guy's only smoked a handful of times in his life. The first ever time, he "froze" like many of us do when we get super high of weed for the first time. So after popping a few, he took a rip and eventually was getting stuck again. But unlike when he just smoked, and was just frozen for a little while, with the roll, he was trying to fight it HARD. And I'm thinking that triggered the physical stuff later.
 
Well just because something is named a moonrock does not mean there is MDMA in it. In fact, in my experience, I have only had one sample of moonrocks that actually turned out to have MDMA, the rest were loaded with some shitty research chemicals that are similar to bath salts.

The ONLY way to know what you are consuming is to utilize a test kit, which can be found for very cheap on ebay or dancesafe.org. BL cannot stress the importance of testing your MDMA enough. MDMA is not weed or coke in the fact that it can be easily identified. There are tens of thousands of chemicals that come in crystal or powder form, many of them can be extremely nasty or toxic.

MDMA and THC can complement each other. I do not normally like getting stoned but when I am rolling, I find the combination very pleasant. However, when you mix psychoactive drugs, especially strong ones, there is a chance you will not react very well and it sounds like your friend just could not handle the combo of whatever it was you took and the weed, especially because is inexperienced with drugs. Some people love THC and MDMA and some people hate it. Different strokes for different folks.
 
I had a roll in Feb (pure, tested) and it was just as hard for me. Very comparable in terms of strength and duration and overall feel, complete with hallucinations. For me, it was great. I totally get it was way too much for my friend, but I'm just kind of confused by the manner of his trip. I've seen people get overwhelmed by weed, rolling, psychadelics, just not like this time.

Now that I think about it more, just imagine your whole body locking up with nonstop increasing intensity. That's what he seemed like he was going through physically. And then toss in a strong ass psychadlic trip for someone who's never experienced it.
 
You gave an inexperienced user almost half a gram of MDMA, plus what ever your "moon rocks" are. Most new users we'd recommend 100mg as a starter. It's little wonder his body was a little shaken up. Hope you looked after him during his comedown the next week.
 
So it sounds like you guys have seen someone react like this? I've seen many people trip balls, good and bad. Just never like this. His face really scared me.
 
I don't think he damaged himself but it is common for people who have a rough experience with drugs to be a bit mentally and emotionally shaken up for a while.

It is not advisable to give people who are inexperienced with drugs a large amount.
 
What you describe are hallucinations common when you combine a high dose of MDMA with weed. Some people are more sensitive to this than others. I for one am very sensitive to this. I have tripped absolute BALLS on 250mg of 'pure' MDMA when I smoked a lot of weed during the roll. Indeed those monster faces are very common, had those myself numerous times and I know other that have seen these too (on this site and personal). What you describe even sounds like quite a tame trip compared to the crazy, insanely intense hallucinations I've had on some of my rolls =D

I start to hallucinate at 120mg + weed, heavily at 180mg + weed, but for most people if hallucinations occur it means they have taken a bit too much. It's probably caused by MDMA, so probably not by an adulterant, but that doesn't mean it's healthy (in my case I'm sure it's because of MDMA because I test every time and only ingest very well known pills)

Note of importance: just because these hallucinations sound like MDMA-induced doesn't mean you really have MDMA there. Any number of substances can cause hallucinations. You really need to test your product
 
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BlueBull said:
What you describe are hallucinations common when you combine a high dose of MDMA with weed. Some people are more sensitive to this than others. I for one am very sensitive to this. I have tripped absolute BALLS on 250mg of 'pure' MDMA when I smoked a lot of weed during the roll. Indeed those monster faces are very common, had those myself numerous times and I know other that have seen these too (on this site and personal). What you describe even sounds like quite a tame trip compared to the crazy, insanely intense hallucinations I've had on some of my rolls =D

I start to hallucinate at 120mg + weed, heavily at 180mg + weed, but for most people if hallucinations occur it means they have taken a bit too much. It's probably caused by MDMA, so probably not by an adulterant, but that doesn't mean it's healthy (in my case I'm sure it's because of MDMA because I test every time and only ingest very well known pills)
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Damn, tame trip? Well, I'm not even talking the hallucinations. I mean, I don't know what he saw, but I'm assuming it was crazy based on his reactions and what he said he remembered the next day. It was the convulsing, tenseness, locking up and crazy scary faces he was making. At one point, we put him in the shower to try to shock him a bit, then put him lying down on a bed, trying to relax him. And his whole body would lock up to the max (also keep in mind this guy's an athlete, pretty ripped, thank god MDMA doesn't make you aggressive like alcohol).
 
Well, depends on what it looked like. I've seen people on very high (too high) doses where their entire faces are warping in every direction and their body is very very tense from over-stimulation, with muscle contractions all over. However now you mention convulsions I think I underestimated the intensity of his physical symptoms a bit. Muscle contractions are normal with high doses of MDMA, but not to the point where your entire body is convulsing uncontrollably and violently

I couldn't say for sure man. Could be that I've witnessed something like this before with people that took too much (an MDMA overdose can look really really ugly and dangerous too. It usually looks worse than it is), could be that it was way more intense (physically) than I've ever seen before. And therefor it could have been caused by any number of drugs, including pure MDMA. Next time test your product, this is really important. Make sure your mate first does a skin allergy test followed by a regular allergy test if he wants to try again to rule out an adverse reaction to MDMA
 
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Well, depends on what it looked like. I've seen people on very high (too high) doses where their entire faces are warping in every direction and their body is very very tense from over-stimulation, with muscle contractions all over. However now you mention convulsions I think I underestimated the intensity of his physical symptoms a bit. Muscle contractions are normal with high doses of MDMA, but not to the point where your entire body is convulsing uncontrollably and violently

I couldn't say for sure man. Could be that I've witnessed something like this before with people that took too much, could be that it was way more intense (physically) than I've ever seen before. And therefor it could have been caused by any number of drugs, including pure MDMA. Next time test your product, this is really important. Make sure your mate first does a skin allergy test followed by a regular allergy test if he wants to try again to rule out an adverse reaction to MDMA
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Ah, actually what you described seems pretty similar to what I saw. I think convulsing was the wrong word to use. His entire body was locking up with some crazy intensity, but he wasn't convulsing like he was having a seizure. If that happened, I would've taken him to the ER stat. I have this mental image of 4 of us kinda holding him down, trying to relax him on a bed and him going in and out of crazy intense phases of losing control/locking up. It was a jarring sight to see.
 
I have a mate that dropped about 350mg of MDMA at once one particular night. Don't really know why, he just did and only told me after he already ingested it. He spent the night writhing, twisting and turning on the couch. Like you would do when you just wake up and stretch all your muscles very thoroughly. Head twisting, feet curling up and relaxing again, entire body squirming in all directions, arms stretching out at almost impossible angles. A bit like a seizure but slower and deliberate, not uncontrollable, he was squirming intentionally. This was combined with a constant moaning, sighing and an inability to say anything that made any sense. You could see he was having a good time though, no sign of any pain or discomfort, though he didn't even know where he was anymore, was hallucinating like crazy and was talking absolute nonsense ("stay away from my dragon. Her ferret will come to get you. Die infidels!!!"). He was squirming and writhing because doing that felt good in his muscles and joints, like on a normal roll but way way more intense, almost orgasmic judging from the sounds he made and the expression on his face

However as I said we can't be sure. This could have been anything, you need to test your product :)
 
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BlueBull said:
I have a mate that dropped about 350mg of MDMA at once one particular night. Don't really know why, he just did and only told me after he already ingested it. He spent the night writhing, twisting and turning on the couch. Like you would do when you just wake up and stretch all your muscles very thoroughly. Head twisting, feet curling up and relaxing again, entire body squirming in all directions, arms stretching out at almost impossible angles. A bit like a seizure but slower and deliberate, not uncontrollable, he was squirming intentionally. This was combined with a constant moaning, sighing and an inability to say anything that made any sense. You could see he was having a good time though, no sign of any pain or discomfort, though he didn't even know where he was anymore, was hallucinating like crazy and was talking absolute nonsense ("stay away from my dragon. Her ferret will come to get you. Die infidels!!!"). He was squirming and writhing because doing that felt good in his muscles and joints, like on a normal roll but way way more intense, almost orgasmic judging from the sounds he made and the expression on his face

However as I said we can't be sure. This could have been anything, you need to test your product :)
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Hmm, that sounds a little less scary to me, especially because you could see he was having a good time. There'd be moments where my friend seemed like he was having a good time, but when the tensing/locking up occurred, while he never said anything that made it seem like he was panicking, he had that look in his face that he was, because it would come and go, and when it came, it was just crazy.

Anyways, and this is for anyone, should I be concerned about him during the week after? I mean, of course I'll ask him if he's ok, but is there any protocol for someone when they dose way too high?
 
I think 90% of the people on this forum would freak the hell out if they ever saw me when I'm on a really good roll...

MDMA has rather intense effects in some people. What an outsider views as dangerous could be absolute heaven for the person who is rolling. I've rolled so hard on pure MDMA that I've had 200mg have me hallucinating so hard from the eye wobbles that I'm seeing people and things that aren't there, I have gone into orgasmic involuntary movements that might as well be full-body convulsions coupled with a full moaning orgasm flying out of my mouth, I've watched cartoons in the walls, seen intricate tattoos so real that still to this day I swear people were fucking with me, talked complete gibberish at the peak and especially on the comedown, got lost in a sea of music... I can go on and on. A really good roll will have me seeing shadow people for a week and having intricate visuals for at least 24 hours whenever I stare at something for a few seconds.

This is why testing is so important. MDMA itself is often underestimated. I can't tell you how many times the "heroin" and "mescaline" pills (which heroin and mescaline in pills are a myth) were straight up pure MDMA. And of course you have even more that aren't MDMA.
 
I agree with everyone else, it was just waayy too much MDMA for someone so inexperienced. Reminds me of lacing some girls first ever bowl with some really good angel dust and she FREAKED the fuck out. Shitty move but I just regret wasting that dust...

How was his comedown and his thoughts after the roll?
 
Freon said:
I agree with everyone else, it was just waayy too much MDMA for someone so inexperienced. Reminds me of lacing some girls first ever bowl with some really good angel dust and she FREAKED the fuck out. Shitty move but I just regret wasting that dust...

How was his comedown and his thoughts after the roll?
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His comedown seemed ok. Apparently he wasn't even sore from that crazy flexing he was doing all night. He seemed to remember a lot of it, and that it was intense, but I'm still not convinced he remembers the moments where he'd tense up to the max. Emotionally he seems in the middle. He wasn't saying it was awesome, nor was he saying it was bad. Honestly it's hard to read since he's not a friend partakes in this kind of thing ever. I asked him how he was today, and he said just physically tired.
 
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seen intricate tattoos so real that still to this day I swear people were fucking with me.
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Haha that is seriously awesome :-D sorry for going a bit off-topic with this. I've had MDMA hallucinations confirmed by people before (glasses and monster faces being very common ones) but you are the first to mention the tattoos. This was by far the craziest and most lifelike visual MDMA ever gave me.

For me it was facial tattoos. They were intricate, in colour, vivid, awesome and so on. Most if them tribal style but I saw a whole bunch of different styles with animals & symbols & vikings ... But that wasn't what made them truly remarkable. What made them truly remarkable was that they were being drawn as I looked at people's faces, I could almost see the artists hand moving above the canvas. And if I focused on them for longer than 10 seconds, they started to erase themselves again in the same order they were drawn (or so it seemed to me)

Seriously awesome and beautiful. I love MDMA visuals and I'm lucky I'm susceptible to them, I get them starting at 120mg + weed and they peak in intensity around 200mg + weed. Weed really being the key word here, don't get them without it. Full blown MDMA visuals are among the most beautiful and awe-inspiring hallucinations I've ever had and they are exceptional in how lifelike they are, more so than for instance acid imho

Oh and usually people only get them at (too) high doses do I don't want this to be an encouragement to actively pursue these visuals
 
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