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Opioids Need a new drug

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I've been on pills for several years, probably eight.
At the peak, I was doing about 120 - 16mg of oxy or the equivalent. For a while I switched to fent.
I decided that I needed to stop using or switch to Heroin, cause the cost of pharms was getting too high.
So I heard about Kratom and that was working pretty well for me, but now finding Kratom is ridiculous, so I've gone back to pills again... Not a good thing.
I finally admitted to myself that I'm depressed, and I was using pills as an antidepressant. I feel energetic and motivated when I'm on pills, even in small doses.

Sometimes I'll be clean for a few days and it's bad. Even though I'm only doing about 30mg/day, coming off completely sucks. My concentration is very poor and all the usual symptoms of going clean. It isn't as bad as going cold turkey from a big habit, obviously.

Anyhow, my doc wants to put me on antidepressants. I've tried a few, and nothing does for me what opioids do, so I kep going back to opioids just so I can function.
I don't want to tell my doc that I'm hooked on pills cause it could screw things up for me to have that on my record, otherwise I'd love to be taking methadone.

The thing I'm mainly wondering is if there's an antidepressant that works ok on the same receptors in the brain that would as opioids?
I'm more interested in remaining functional and motivated. I can't seem to find that motivation anywhere within myself without the help of some chemicals.

BTW so far i've tried Lexapro. Currently I'm on mirtazipine, which helps me sleep, and that's a good thing, but that's all it does for me. The doc is also trying out Welbutrin on me now too.

Any ideas - Thanks

Maybe i should find out how much it would screw things up for me if I just told the doc I'm a junkie and I want methadone.
 
1) Antidepressants are for most people a complete joke........none of them work for most people & actually makes the person worse.

2) If you find an antidepressant that works on the same receptors & feels as good as an opiate, please share the information with the rest of us.

3) Never tell any doctor you are an addict unless you really want to get off opiates & you don't care that your record will have you brandished as a drug addict. You're in a no win situation.

4) There are people that take opiates for depression & have done so successfully for many years but they don't raise their dosage. For instance, you would take 5mgs of vicodin a day & continue to do so for 3 to 4 years before raising it to 7.5mgs a day.

5) If there was 1 opiod i would recommend for depression, it would be Tramadol........
 
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diver said:
The thing I'm mainly wondering is if there's an antidepressant that works ok on the same receptors in the brain that would as opioids?
I'm more interested in remaining functional and motivated. I can't seem to find that motivation anywhere within myself without the help of some chemicals.
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Exercise. Honestly. Drugs aren't going to fix your depression, they're likely to make it worse long-term. But exercise will make you feel better, by releasing endorphins and raising your self-esteem.

Endorphins ("endogenous morphine")
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I've personally used exercise to help with my withdrawal from opiates many times. I cycle fast for 45-60 mins and afterwards I will lie down. I would describe the feeling of a good surge of endorphins as exactly like a 5 minute morphine high. Euphoria, analgesia, contentedness; all the positive effects with none of the negative and completely natural. Even laughter can release endorphins, I have personally felt this too. I watch a fair bit of comedy because it feels great to laugh.

You many think my suggestion is a joke. But really, if you're depressed opioids are not the solution; they effectively hijack your body's natural feel-good mechanisms and eventually trash it. There's no surer way to cheat yourself to false happiness. You don't need drugs, you need purpose and vitality.
 
TheLostBoys said:
1) Antidepressants are for most people a complete joke........none of them work for most people & actually makes the person worse.

2) If you find an antidepressant that works on the same receptors & feels as good as an opiate, please share the information with the rest of us.

3) Never tell any doctor you are an addict unless you really want to get off opiates & you don't care that your record will have you brandished as a drug addict. You're in a no win situation.

4) There are people that take opiates for depression & have done do successfully for many years but they don't raise their dosage. For instance, you would take 5mgs of vicodin a day & continue to do so for 3 to 4 years before raiding it to 7.5mgs a day.

5) If there was 1 opiod i would recommend gpr depression, it would be Tramadol........
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All the above has been my experience as well.
I keep hoping for better news

I hate that Kratom is unavailable
 
Libertin said:
Exercise. Honestly. Drugs aren't going to fix your depression, they're likely to make it worse long-term. But exercise will make you feel better, by releasing endorphins and raising your self-esteem.



I've personally used exercise to help with my withdrawal from opiates many times. I cycle fast for 45-60 mins and afterwards I will lie down. I would describe the feeling of a good surge of endorphins as exactly like a 5 minute morphine high. Euphoria, analgesia, contentedness; all the positive effects with none of the negative and completely natural. Even laughter can release endorphins, I have personally felt this too. I watch a fair bit of comedy because it feels great to laugh.

You many think my suggestion is a joke. But really, if you're depressed opioids are not the solution; they effectively hijack your body's natural feel-good mechanisms and eventually trash it. There's no surer way to cheat yourself to false happiness. You don't need drugs, you need purpose and vitality.
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I do exercise - I wish i could exercise all day long. The problem would be solved.
 
With a habit like that I don't see any reason you would be considering methadone before buprenorphine. For me bupe pretty good for giving energy and antidepressant effects in the 1-3 mg(I honestly wouldn't go over 3, but I just take an extra mg some days when it'll be a late night or something, depending on what dose I'm stabalized at, too.) a day range. I don't know if you're thinking a dr is going to prescribe methadone to you, but its not going to happen, especially without a pain condition. Only way to get it is the clinics, which is a hassle as far as I'm concerned and should only be for people who have nasty H or other heavy opiate habits and tried other options. There has been talk of using bupe as an A-D medication, but of course people get all up in arms because its an opioid and highly addictive. I mean methadone could do the same thing for you, but its overkill and it also has less energetic effects than bupe, so that'd be my best advice.

Someone mentioned using hydrocodone in small doses for A-D effects, but its really hard to go 3-4 years without upping your dose of a short acting, full agonist opioid.
 
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With a habit like that I don't see any reason you would be considering methadone before buprenorphine. For me bupe pretty good for giving energy and antidepressant effects in the 1-3 mg(I honestly wouldn't go over 3, but I just take an extra mg some days when it'll be a late night or something, depending on what dose I'm stabalized at, too.) a day range. I don't know if you're thinking a dr is going to prescribe methadone to you, but its not going to happen, especially without a pain condition. Only way to get it is the clinics, which is a hassle as far as I'm concerned and should only be for people who have nasty H or other heavy opiate habits and tried other options. There has been talk of using bupe as an A-D medication, but of course people get all up in arms because its an opioid and highly addictive. I mean methadone could do the same thing for you, but its overkill and it also has less energetic effects than bupe, so that'd be my best advice.

Someone mentioned using hydrocodone in small doses for A-D effects, but its really hard to go 3-4 years without upping your dose of a short acting, full agonist opioid.
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Yeah, I've got my dosage down pretty well.
I've got to look seriously into the whole process of getting a script for Bupe before I let my doc know I've been self medicating.
I did tell him I've been doing Kratom. He said he's never heard of it.
 
How have you been acquiring them so regularly, without your doctor knowing you take them? I assume he is not the one that prescribes them to you..? As was said above, its damn near impossible to be prescribed Methadone for anything but a serious pain condition (I actually was *once*, but the Dr. didn't like the idea & quickly tapered me down & off). I have tried using full-agonist opiates (oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydrocodone, diamorphine) as anti-depressants before, but with mostly poor results. To be honest, for me PERSONALLY .. diamorph worked the best. I actually was able to control dosage extremely well, much better than others mentioned of which ironically were mostly taken orally. I administered the diamorph IV, but quickly ran into problems as my veins were/are thrashed from a previous cocaine addiction (destroyed most of my right arm, etc). So, I eventually decided the health problems associated with multiple IV admin., to outweigh the benefit. Plus, I am much more likely to abuse dope (which would ramp my tolerance back to illogical levels). :\
 
Mianserin is a kappa agonist and I've mixed it many times with buprenorphine. They potentiate each other pretty well to the point that I even got mild CEVs on a few occasions. The big downside is that mianserin is a strong antihistamine and also when you stop taking it abruptly, you suddenly become very nervous. I didn't find it to be an effective antidepressant though, just a sedative. It's not available in the US though. I don't know how mirtazapine compares as a kappa agonist.
 
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How have you been acquiring them so regularly, without your doctor knowing you take them? I assume he is not the one that prescribes them to you..? As was said above, its damn near impossible to be prescribed Methadone for anything but a serious pain condition (I actually was *once*, but the Dr. didn't like the idea & quickly tapered me down & off). I have tried using full-agonist opiates (oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydrocodone, diamorphine) as anti-depressants before, but with mostly poor results. To be honest, for me PERSONALLY .. diamorph worked the best. I actually was able to control dosage extremely well, much better than others mentioned of which ironically were mostly taken orally. I administered the diamorph IV, but quickly ran into problems as my veins were/are thrashed from a previous cocaine addiction (destroyed most of my right arm, etc). So, I eventually decided the health problems associated with multiple IV admin., to outweigh the benefit. Plus, I am much more likely to abuse dope (which would ramp my tolerance back to illogical levels). :\
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I am prescribed methadone for a back problem, have been on it for over 5 years now, started it when I was in my mid 30s, my back problem was not that serious, yet they still gave me the methadone, it has worked wonders for me, not just for the back pain, but it helps with my depression too, but I find it takes a bit more of it to help a persons mental issues, I regularly take more than I supposed to and run out early each month...I supplement with H once ALL of the methadone is out of my system. I like that methadone is longer acting, but it is almost impossible to get dosage increases, but I know the doctors office are being constantly watched by DEA, so I can understand that.

Methadone is being used more and more for pain mgt, but only in low doses. All of this said, if I could go back, I would not take my first methadone, it has really ramped up my addiction, the w/ds are SOOOO bad, someone usually will do almost anything to get better during this period
 
Tramadol is the shit for depression and to cop a buzz. if I take 150-200mg once a day at 12 everyday (taking 50mg every 30 min starting at 12) I am buzzing pretty much 24/7. It's antidepressant properties are pretty helpful as well, until you have to come off of it and you are having snri and opiates withdrawals, not to mention possible seizures along the way. Other than that though it's pretty nice.
 
^ do NOT take tramadol with mirtazapine as there is a risk for serotonin syndrome, i had to switch from ( medium dose, 200mg tramadol ) to oxycontin and oxynorm (40 mg) when starting to take mirtazapine. Also believe it or not, the withdrawl from oxycodone is a walk in the park for me compared to the intense crushing depression the first 3 days when coming of tramadol.
 
you have four choices for a worthwhile opiate habit imo

abusable pain pills, suboxone, methadone, and heroin

youve done 1/4

id recommend suboxone (buprenorphine)

good luck with everything
 
Hey diver, how's things? I have the same issue you do, the opiates work quite well but running out early is an issue. I've been on oxycodone 15mgx3 a day for chronic pain. I've been on this dose for 5 yrs so it needs some titration but it's effective nonetheless. I haven't had great results with the Bupe but I take it in suboxone so it all gets blocked up, I only take it to not get sick when running out of oxycodone. Maybe pure Bupe would work great but in the u.s idk where to find that. E.r oxycodone works even better for me and 1 pill lasts about 8hrs so I don't find myself redoseing throughout the day. E.r oxy is ideal in my case but that's not what I have a script for but it does work more efficiently.
I've heard lots about this kratom, how is this? What does it feel like in comparison with oxycodone? And how much do u need to use in relation to oxy for a similar effect? I figure our tolerances are about the same so I'd value you opinion on this. I'm in the u.s also so it's a pain to get probably but it may be worth a try for me in my situation.
As far as telling ur dr to get done', don't do it brother! Once they flag you it's gonna be a nightmare if you ever need opiates for pain control. And the methadone, well idk, I've tried it and I have bad reactions on it and after the first few doses it really doesn't help me much for physical pain or depression and related issues. But that's just me, some folks swear by it so it might be awesome for you. I wouldn't go as far as telling your dr though, those records stay with you forever and who knows how our gov. Will use that against us in the future. Anyway please let me know about that kratom bro, looking forward to your response so I can stop with the damn subs, strips make me a bit aggressive and that's really not like me. Just want to be my normal peaceful self man...
Just went link, great stuff brother!! I always thought we were very rare people but I guess there's a ton of folks out there with the same issues, nice to know :) some people just get so angry when this subject comes up, I just don't get it. If it works 4 me then great u know?
 
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Opiates are all about death.

Why not be about life?

Ive switched quite a few Oxycodone addict and 2 heroin addicts (both IV) hell even two crackheads over to MDPV and a-PVP.

Give a-PHP a try. Its legal and strong as fuck. Youll quit running away from your problems and feeling good. and jnstead see what the fuck is wrong want to fix it but be way to twacked the fuck out most of the time.

At least you wont die...
 
I'm guessing that's one of those trippy new rc's? Dude I gotta tell u man if u got mental health issues psychadelics will really destroy you man. I was fuckin with the rc cannabanoids and dude whatever they put in it now tore me apart. I used the old jwh ones with no problem but whatever was in this shit really freaked me out. I took shrooms and the same shit happened but more intense. That shit is dangerous if u have real serious depression/schitzo type shit going on. You need to be in a good frame if mind to fuck with LSD type shit and if you've been depressed for 10-20yrs those new drugs are a terrible idea IMO. And I've done the real ones LSD,shrooms that shit just, well it wasn't like dropping when I was 16 and somewhat carefree. Those drugs seem to amplify what's already going on in ur life so if ur depressed u could end up depressedx20 and jump off a bridge or some shit lol. I got destroyed by whatever they're putting in the incense nowadays so I can't imagine one of the new "real" rc's, whoa!!!
I probably would try them though but I'm a fuckin maniac like that. Lol sry had to add that to not seem Hippocritical lol
 
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