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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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I dont know why but I haven't gotten sick since I started using kratom. nor have I experienced any seasonal allergies. I think most opisates can block allergies though, but I might be mistaken. Ive read theres a ton of medicinal/supplement effects of kratom by many naturally occurring chemicals
 
al-laddin said:
I dont know why but I haven't gotten sick since I started using kratom. nor have I experienced any seasonal allergies. I think most opisates can block allergies though, but I might be mistaken. Ive read theres a ton of medicinal/supplement effects of kratom by many naturally occurring chemicals
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Same here. I noticed the same thing. But then over time I became psychologically habituated and eventually after having surgery and adding other prescribed meds to the mix became physically dependent on it, and the cons of being dependent started to outweigh the pros. Using it hasn't been the same since, but I haven't had an extended break from it either. Really unfortunate. If only...
 
Kratom gave me the eye wobbles at high doses, and I would agree with another poster that it felt very similar to Tramadol. It also did clear up the sinuses 10x better than something like pseudoephedrine.

I'm on day 2 of WD and the only thing that's really bothering me is the lower body pain and restless. It wasn't even bad until I tried to sleep, and then it felt like my lower half was just seizin up in absolute pain. But other than that not too bad, got this weird tingly feeling on my skin like I'm really antsy or something. Just took some phenibut now so maybe that will help in a few hours.
 
My last few kratom experiences have been riddled with a plague of negative side effects.

I've tried it a few times in the past, a few different products from headshops, had some pretty decent experiences but nothing too crazy for better or worst.

Recently got my hands on some Maeng Da from two different vendors.

First time I tried to do toss and wash, puked.

Then onto capsules and when I finally got it down, despite some half decent effects, I ended up being overwhelmed with an experience reminiscent of a bad weed high but not exactly the same.If you're one who knows what I'm talking about, you may be familiar with the feeling of anxiety, quite heady, and not really fun, very psychological and also psychedelic in the worst way possible. Not even mentioning how it also makes me still feel kinda sick to my stomach and that feeling kinda also deducts from any positive.

I tried it a few times, some of them not being quite so bad, but the underlying difficulties are still present to some degree.

I was thinking perhaps a strain change would make a difference, but I don't know. Was thinking maybe less is more might be a better approach and then I was also maybe thinking at a higher dose, a euphoric opiate effect could come into play that would counter this, but quite doubtful of that.

Thoughts?
 
For some reason this stuff mixes very badly with Methylphenidate (Ritalin). Experience:

Doses were both relatively light. Small amount of kratom (can't remember the strain) taken at night after a day of studying on Ritalin to ease the comedown and relax. Ended up with a severe headache, fever, nausea, confusion, tachycardia and blood pressure all over the place. A combo best avoided seemingly.

From what I know if the pharmacology I can't figure out why such an interaction would take place, could anyone shed light on this? Has anyone had similar experiences combining Kratom with MPH or other stims?
 
yes, kratoms alkaloids share similarity with yohimbine. While yohimbe is a stimulant and often used a sexual enhancer for men, kratom seems to do this for me and many others. It seems to be less consistant with the populous than yohohimbe as a male sex enhancer, however. Point is that there is definitely a mild stimulant effect to kratom and I have noticed some discomfort with caffiene although these side effects seem to occur randomly and not consistantly.
 
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Kratom gave me the eye wobbles at high doses, and I would agree with another poster that it felt very similar to Tramadol. It also did clear up the sinuses 10x better than something like pseudoephedrine.

I'm on day 2 of WD and the only thing that's really bothering me is the lower body pain and restless. It wasn't even bad until I tried to sleep, and then it felt like my lower half was just seizin up in absolute pain. But other than that not too bad, got this weird tingly feeling on my skin like I'm really antsy or something. Just took some phenibut now so maybe that will help in a few hours.
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Yeah thats the dreaded "skin crawling" sensation, seems to be a common WD symptom for many substances. In fact I get it from trying to cease nicotine, it seems to coincide with an extreme psychological restlessness. Whats interesting is I have heard from many that stimulant WD is limited to extreme psychological cravings and not much physical, I wonder why nicotine WD shares some similarities to opiate, benzo WD. hmmmm
 
That would make sense alladdin as kratom has got me through some pretty boring times and I'm extremely bored right now lol. I would agree with stim WD being mostly psychological, although perhaps physiological, cause when I was coming off Vyvanse I got extreme boredom, depression, restlessness, and anxiety. Waiting for this weed is gonna feel like forever, but damn will it help...
 
Yes for me boredome is the most common reason I start up using substances again.....shit I could go months without kratom, alcohol or whatever so long as Im working out, having steady sex, and really feeling motivated with my art/music. But every now and again this intnense sensation of purposless in the uiverse coupled with boredome cuts through everything....spiritually empty? Perhaps some sort of PAWS? Ive been dependant on alcohol or opiods since I was about 15 years old....bouncing back and forth between the two and sometimes even both when I was severely depressed. I was "able" to stay clean for months (6 -18 months) but I would always go back due to some sort of existential crisis...I dont give a shit what people say man, I substances improve my quality of life....unfortunatly alcohol and hard opiates seem to get too out of control too fast but kratom has a self-regulating mechanism. Kinda like cannabis I suppose, but weed makes me depressed/anxious almost psychotic. Anyway kratom is the perfect anti-depressant for me . Keeps me moving forward.
 
Funny you talk about that^ it isnt any paws cos i have exactly the same thing and ive been 'clean' of any intoxicants for probably 18 months or so after having a slight breakdown after taking a tiny amount of a RC stim.

Unfortunately i too suffer from the acute existential angst as well and being sober is probably even more depressing minus the comedowns ofc, cos now theres nothing to look forward to in life.

yes my life would be real fun if i had a bit money/or at least steady income and ofc lots of good pussy, but how hard are those things to get on a consistent basis :(

infinitely harder than to get high thats for sure.

i try and try and yet continue to fail at being any kind of 'success', and with nothing now to blow off steam life seems to be one extended punishment.

getting high all the time certinaly isnt satifying either but i think total sobriety has really been shit. Sure its fine the first few months but as they drag on you realise that there is really nothing to look forward to and no real hope of there being anything else to look forward to for the forseeable future.
 
This^^^^

except you can have all the pussy you want.....its a chemical reaction....keeping her..well that's different. Understanding how to create the chemistry, well that's something one must study but theres a formula on getting women "addicted" to you. I once read that "love" is literally an opiate like reaction in the body. When someone loses a loved one, be it to divorce, break up or death , studies show very similar brain function to that of an opiate addict in withdrawal. Crazy huh?
 
If theyre gonna go around banning shit....they can take love too....fuck love...worst withdrawal I ever went through....Ive only had that happen once though
 
I know what yall mean existential crisis and angst along with drug use. That's probably why I got into drugs, pretty much because in reality I don't see myself being happy in life no matter what I do. I'm young but Ive been single my entire life and have no reason to believe it will be otherwise, its like being intimate with other humans is so foreign to me. Ive had friends in the past but always when they get too close I tend to drift away from them, happens EVERY time. I'm trying to finish college but theres always this nagging feeling of 'whats the point' of going down that route. I don't look forward to work, I don't look forward to school, don't look forward to making relationships with people, and without drugs I don't look forward to life. Kinda pathetic but it is what it is :-/
 
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what meds effected this? Oxy , hydro... dosage?
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Oxy mostly. Prescribed for surgery. But I had a previous addiction with it, so when I started using it my dependency came right back, and I was already taking Kratom so I kept taking it right alongside of it, and then when I stopped the oxy I increased my Kratom intake even more and then planned to wean myself off of it. It didn't work that way though and I ended up needing gabapentin. That worked fine, great actually - for the physiological (physical symptoms behind the body and the mind, except I kept relapsing anyway lol because mentally I still just craved it. And it made the withdrawals 10x worse and longer than it would have been otherwise. I'm actually already pretty good from my slip over the weekend though. Not 100% yet, but close. I think part of what made the last few weeks hard too was some rebound anxiety from stopping a 2 week Valium binge (to try and help Kratom withdrawals... oops lol). I'm glad I stopped that when I did though, because holy hell it sucked - I can't even imagine what hardcore benzo withdrawal is like. Stick to Kratom guys lol.
 
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