For sure you should. That dosage is going to vary based on the person and what you think you can manage getting it down to. Like I said, there were only a few reasons I'd recommend loperamide and those were you getting kicked out of MMT or getting kicked out plus major suicidal ideations. It's quite the wonder for people wanting to get their lives back and not use full on opioids (or methadone which is a full on opioid/buprenorphine kind of) and are at lower doses - even 60mg of methadone might be ok, it probably isn't the safest to try and start a loperamide taper from such levels.
You can try and skip Sat/Sunday on the weekend, and taper up every 2 hours like 10 mg, and see if you can get to a point less than 100 mg of loperamide that makes you feel normal, or functional. You could even do this and store up your take-homes on the weekend so when you jump off you can have low doses of methadone as like a security blanket. I've read that some people have better chances jumping off stuff if they have a few doses sitting around so they know they don't have to panic if they feel bad all of the sudden and have to wait for things to kick in.
I was impressed with one guy in the methadone mega thread who mentioned being able to save up a large quantity so they could taper down to ultra low levels on their own (they had a few grams if I recall correctly) and they were at like 10-20 mg or less daily.
Those guys in that thread make me proud even though I don't know them, going from slamming dope or popping pills to being able to taper, and hang on to that quantity without thinking "I'll just pop a good amount of methadone for a buzz... this one time," and getting down to these really low levels. Man, I used methadone recreationally, if I had it then it would be game over, as soon as it hit my hand it would be gliding down my throat. I had only pills when I could get it, and I've tasted the liquid one time.... so maybe that might be some motivation to not take it.
Remember that if on loperamide it doesn't block out the high like methadone so if you're stressed out and good at convincing yourself that 'you're in control' when you're not, you might end up back at square one. This can also be dangerous if you've tapered correctly for awhile and think that you deserve a reward. MANY ODs happen here because people way overestimate their tolerance. Especially if it's smack they go back to, and they shoot it.
Thanks! I'm glad my efforts have been noticed!
"Ontop of that I REFUSE TO BUY HEROIN I HAVE MONEY BUT REFUSE TO BUY DOPE.. "
We're in the same boat, have money, could buy tar and get a gross high and feel guilty from spending the money... or not. I just couldn't take the guilt riddled, shit high that would result. I also just don't want to deal with the people required.
You're at 60mg and are going to taper it, or you've already dropped down for 30 mg a day, so that you were at 120 mg daily of oxycodone? That's not too outrageous, were you steadily and strictly on 120 mg or is that what you took to feel high? (120 mg daily would be a higher tolerance than taking 120 mg and feeling nice.
My tolerance would be a bit higher than that , I could probably take 150 mg to get high. When I take loperamide after not taking it for a a bit (I know not following my own advice, that I have a pretty good understanding of my dosage area is no real excuse, as little as possible is always better) I take a higher dose the first day and then less the second, what's odd is by the third it would have jumped up pas the second days dosage but not as high as the first day. In short, it seems that I don't have to take a constant dosage, I've just tried writing it down on an excel sheet the exact time and dose with calculations that will automatically add it up for the day so I can get a general idea of the dynamics of what I'm doing.
It ends up looking like this (in mg) 52, 20, 88, 38, 82, 20
I can't say that if someone threw a brick of tar at me that I wouldn't do any.
Again thanks!
To no one in particular:
If what I've said helps people not spend all of their money buying up street drugs or pharms and even make a major life decision and leave the scene completely which will translate to a better life, then I will be extremely happy! Also, if what I and others have said can talk someone opioid naive (or with a low tolerance) out of trying to get high off of loperamide whatsoever, and therefore make sure that no one's life is put in jeopardy like the poor woman who posted in this thread who lost her son because he read on reddit that this could get you high (and another BL member), then I will also be happy. That's right everyone, we've heard of 2 people who died on this website alone, and a quick search of the literature can find reference to a couple more. One from trying to get high with 0 tolerance from a dosage that most of us here using it for W/D relief would probably find decent, and another with a heft tolerance maintaining at a level that was too high, and drinking a lot of alcohol.
Loperamide is addictive as most people posting here should know. It's 'high' is very subjective as to what you feel. Most wouldn't call it a high - I sure wouldn't - but merely some subjective opioid feelings, and ones that are not particularly pleasant ones such as itching and constricted pupils - never feeling 'good'.
I'm here to promote only using it for tapering off of opioids, using it at a dosage as low as you can get it by titrating up, and then even then trying to endure the 10-20% bad that's left once you get to that point..
This is hard, and I'll personally admit that I usually fail at trying to do this because you can remove ALL of the symptoms at a high enough dose, but it's just safer to deal with the minor ones left over. If the W/D are from a short acting opioid like H/Oxy or the like, then you only have to deal with those 10-20% for a handful of days, and then you should be tapering it more rapidly because if you go for a few weeks taking it daily at a high steady dosage, you can go from HORRIBLE withdrawals that clear up in less than 10 days to (8/10 on the bad rating) to not as bad withdrawals (say 3-5/10) that last for 1-3 months. If you do it right and have will control you can have W/D that score a 1-2/10 and a with a 2 week taper schedule, be strong and be done with it. Dealing with the PAWS afterwards is a whole 'nother matter.
If you're on a longer acting drug like methadone/bupe and you're not at a reasonable dosage (generally more than 60 mg of methadone, but this is just a number I threw out there, less is always better) if you can taper, do it. It would take me more than 100 mg acutely of methadone to get high, and I could probably even handle a bit more, a much lower dosage of loperamide will make me feel 90%, like say 60-80 mg.
Dude, you come back here, and reply to my message, and then you wait a couple messages from other people and then you reply to me again. I can't even keep track of what you're saying, or at least trying to say.
No, it's not the seeds, even with the best of them, and 5 pounds of them, it just doesn't matter at a certain tolerance, and also at a certain amount of effort. Hence why I mentioned that you have no opioid tolerance, or a low enough one that you should really only be posting here for pharmacological interest, or if you're trying to control non-withdrawal related diarrhea.
Been there, done that, seeds suck, pods aren't even strong enough. I used to buy a box full of pods and nod out for a week or two, there's no way any poppy seeds are doing jack shit, unless people are smuggling opium into the US stuck to poppy seeds and you've found
that supply.
*sigh*
I love when people assert that subtle differences in subjective effects are definitely not placebo. Please go look up what a placebo is. Alexander Shulgin drank orange juice when he was being shipped to Britain for surgery from his US warship during WWII, and saw a crystalline powder at the bottom, and assumed it was a sedative, and it knocked him out and kept him out longer once he actually got the sedative. It was undissolved sugar that made him unconscious.
We know that W/D removal is not placebo due to objective consensus, and if you've ever been through heavy acute W/D you know when the pain and anguish is gone. You're talking about 'getting a little higher for longer.'
The fact that you say you're here to share this wonderful knowledge and then mention a bunch of shit that no one's really here for (increasing the blood plasma of loperamide, stopping that evil P-Gp from exporting it as quickly out of the brain... or wtf poppy seed tea). You can't get high off of loperamide,
loperamide does not potentiate ANYTHING. You probably have such a little tolerance that you go around fucked up no matter what and think that EVERYTHING works.
Repeat, loperamide will only raise your tolerance more rapidly, it does NOT potentiate opioids. If you're shooting smack, no amount of loperamide is going to get you higher/use less smack, but take enough lope for long enough at higher dosages, and it sure will increase the amount of dope you need to get high.
Potentiators are things which either increase plasma levels/duration. Loperamide does not do this. People call diphenhydramine a potentiator, but they don't understand the difference between synergy, boosted analgesic effects, and potentiation. Read Lorne???'s
post. Their shit = known well.
No matter how much this stuff is said, there will be those people who think I and others are dead wrong, that they can get a high, and we're just 'holding out on them so it doesn't get banned,' or something along those lines.
You remind me of a friend who I need to buy a pair of gloves just for smacking him when he says something dumb.
I wasn't questioning ever whether enzyme inhibition was what worked, just said what you're doing was pointless. I never had a question for you. My question was "What is your point.... about anything? " I still don't really get it other than you use loperamide to potentiate opioids, and you're here to let us know your wonderful discovery!
"i mean a half pound good seeds I think would get most people very nice and high."
I don't think you even know what you're saying. Does it surprise you that the guy I replied to on 140 mg of methadone a day would not feel shit from a probably 8-10 pounds, much less a half pound? Does it surprise you that I wouldn't feel shit from 5-8 pounds? I don't think you understand the dynamics of what is going on, or you have a very cursory understanding that is going to get you up shits creek without a paddle. The fact that you mention this as a treatment for PAWS from benzo withdrawal is even more worrying. You're gonna have to start getting addicted to (please don't... I somehow felt this didn't go without saying) other shit just to treat your PAWS from benzo AND opioid withdrawal.
You're like the dude who got a cat to catch the rat, who got a dog to catch the cat, who got a wolf to catch the dog, and when all is said and done you have 40 fucking animals chasing each other, and you can't even remember what you got the Koala for.
My most concise post eva!
