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Opioids Is it possible to OD from taking oral opiates

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Hi

I've used the search engine, but got nowhere, maybe I'm a poor searcher.

Is it possible to do a lethal overdose from oral opiates, such as morphine.
I have a friend who has got a selection of oral opiates, like mst and oxynorm, and he says it's only possible to OD using IV opiates, where I disagree.
My friend also sometimes takes benzos so I don't want him to die.
He also likes dosing alone at night when home from work.
His tolerance to benzos is low and I also think his opiate tolerance is low.
So, if he takes oral opiates and benzos, might there be a danger of him dying?
Thanks
 
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Your friend is an idiot. It's absolutely possible to die from taking oral opiates, why on earth would it not be? And combining them with benzos increases his chance of dying by orders of magnitude. Whack your friend over the head and tell him to do some reading, or at least use his common sense, or he's likely to end up dead within the next few years.
 
wow. lol the opiates are still getting ingested so if you can get high you can OD but you can also get charcoaled, narcaned and stomach pumped if caught in time but if you OD from IV use then you're sorta fucked unless you have narcan.
 
Hi

I edited the post a bit with more info before I saw your replies.

I have tried arguing with him, but he insists that deaths by oral opiates is very rare.

I do feel like hitting him over the head :)

Is death by oral opoids really rare with recreational doses or is he just saying that to shut me up?

Thanks
 
Is death by oral opoids really rare with recreational doses or is he just saying that to shut me up?

If he's only taking opiates, with no other drugs, and in carefully measured doses, while aware of where his tolerance is at and what he can handle, it would be pretty hard to die (but still not impossible. There's no guaranteed protection from OD or other death if you're using strong opiates recreationally) If he's just popping pills whenever he feels like it, it's still less likely as long as he's only taking opiates, but it's absolutely possible that he could OD, or die through passing out in the wrong position, vomiting while passed out, etc.

Tbh the oral thing has nothing to do with it, oral use isn't any less likely to kill him than snorting or smoking (assuming he has the proper formulation for those ROA's), it doesn't provide some magical protection from excessive nervous system depression. In fact arguably it's more dangerous than snorting and smoking if you aren't taking a regular, medically supervised dose, since when using those other routes, the drug kicks in faster, providing a much faster feedback on whether you're at the level you want to be, allowing you to choose whether to take more or not and the exact amount to take. When eating pills, metabolic variations can mean the pills can take longer than normal to kick in, or have a delayed effect, leading to the user taking more and more, then it piles up in their system and bam, out they go.

Even injecting, it can be pretty rare to OD if you use nothing but opiates, carefully measure your doses (ie, are using pure products, not street heroin), know your tolerance and take every reasonable precaution.

I'm not suggesting he starts snorting or injecting his pills, or tries to smoke them, just pointing out that it has far less to do with how he's taking the opiates than it does with how carefully he's taking them. And it sounds like he's not taking them very carefully because he's deluded himself into thinking that as long as he only takes them orally, he's invincible.

And that's not even touching on the benzo issue. as soon as you throw even a low dose of benzos into the situation, All that shit goes out the window and it's up in the air. The combination of two CNS depressants significantly increases the chance of death over taking either one by itself, it's a 1 + 1 = 3 situation. Even if he's being careful, one small mistake, an extra pill or two at the wrong time, could kill him. If he isn't being careful and is popping both of them like candy, then it's pretty likely that it's just a matter of time.

eg. One of the biggest killers of opiate users is oral methadone + oral benzos, and this is in users who have a high tolerance to methadone (and usually benzos), which it sounds like your friend doesn't. Your friend can easily research this for hard evidence that oral use provides no protection, especially when combining opiates with benzos. The idea that you can only OD with certain routes of administration is ludicrous.
 
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If you have a tolerance its a lot harder to overdose on opiates oral or whatever the route if you don't take an insane amount. What I mean is if you are used to 30mg. 60mg aint gonna kill you. But 60mg+ 4mg Xanax mite. Low tolerance and opiates/benzos don't mix. Beat some sense into him or youll be going to a funeral man. My buddies mom died this past winter and as soon as I found out about it I was like wtf.

She was a dope/Xanax addict and one of the last people I would think of overdosing but it happened. I didn't get the details but if a tolerant person like that dies that it could happen to anyone and yer friend is no exeption. Come to think of it I am a hypocrite myself but we do what we do. Just do what you can so he doest end up as another statistic.
 
Enough of any full agonist through any ROA can lead to an overdose. Especially if one has no/low tolerance for opiates.

Having additional CNS depressants in your body at the time of dosing (or adding them afterwards) will make an overdose significantly more likely.
 
If he's only taking opiates, with no other drugs, and in carefully measured doses, while aware of where his tolerance is at and what he can handle, it would be pretty hard to die (but still not impossible. There's no guaranteed protection from OD or other death if you're using strong opiates recreationally) If he's just popping pills whenever he feels like it, it's still less likely as long as he's only taking opiates, but it's absolutely possible that he could OD, or die through passing out in the wrong position, vomiting while passed out, etc.

Tbh the oral thing has nothing to do with it, oral use isn't any less likely to kill him than snorting or smoking (assuming he has the proper formulation for those ROA's), it doesn't provide some magical protection from excessive nervous system depression. In fact arguably it's more dangerous than snorting and smoking if you aren't taking a regular, medically supervised dose, since when using those other routes, the drug kicks in faster, providing a much faster feedback on whether you're at the level you want to be, allowing you to choose whether to take more or not and the exact amount to take. When eating pills, metabolic variations can mean the pills can take longer than normal to kick in, or have a delayed effect, leading to the user taking more and more, then it piles up in their system and bam, out they go.

Even injecting, it can be pretty rare to OD if you use nothing but opiates, carefully measure your doses (ie, are using pure products, not street heroin), know your tolerance and take every reasonable precaution.

I'm not suggesting he starts snorting or injecting his pills, or tries to smoke them, just pointing out that it has far less to do with how he's taking the opiates than it does with how carefully he's taking them. And it sounds like he's not taking them very carefully because he's deluded himself into thinking that as long as he only takes them orally, he's invincible.

And that's not even touching on the benzo issue. as soon as you throw even a low dose of benzos into the situation, All that shit goes out the window and it's up in the air. The combination of two CNS depressants significantly increases the chance of death over taking either one by itself, it's a 1 + 1 = 3 situation. Even if he's being careful, one small mistake, an extra pill or two at the wrong time, could kill him. If he isn't being careful and is popping both of them like candy, then it's pretty likely that it's just a matter of time.

eg. One of the biggest killers of opiate users is oral methadone + oral benzos, and this is in users who have a high tolerance to methadone (and usually benzos), which it sounds like your friend doesn't. Your friend can easily research this for hard evidence that oral use provides no protection, especially when combining opiates with benzos. The idea that you can only OD with certain routes of administration is ludicrous.
Hi and thanks for this informative post.
Seems like my concerns are real.
He isn't bang at the opiates and benzos but has taken them together, so I will be sure to mention that he can in fact be in danger with this combo even if it is taken orally.

Thanks
 
If you have a tolerance its a lot harder to overdose on opiates oral or whatever the route if you don't take an insane amount. What I mean is if you are used to 30mg. 60mg aint gonna kill you. But 60mg+ 4mg Xanax mite. Low tolerance and opiates/benzos don't mix. Beat some sense into him or youll be going to a funeral man. My buddies mom died this past winter and as soon as I found out about it I was like wtf.

She was a dope/Xanax addict and one of the last people I would think of overdosing but it happened. I didn't get the details but if a tolerant person like that dies that it could happen to anyone and yer friend is no exeption. Come to think of it I am a hypocrite myself but we do what we do. Just do what you can so he doest end up as another statistic.
Hi

I think his tolerance is around the 30mg morphine level, but he doesn't do opiates every day, so, is this a low tolerance?

And, would it be more risky for him if he were to go mad and take a larger amount with benzos?

thanks
 
I think his tolerance is around the 30mg morphine level, but he doesn't do opiates every day, so, is this a low tolerance?

And, would it be more risky for him if he were to go mad and take a larger amount with benzos?

30mg oral morphine is a fairly low dose, yes.

And yes, it absolutely would be more risky for him if he were to start taking large amounts of benzos.
 
^ of course it'd be, opiates + other cns depressants is generally a no no unless in little doses or with a high tolerance.
also, benzos cause blackouts meaning you could forgot how much you took therefore causing you to take more and more and more.
show your friend this thread for the sake of his health.
 
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