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I hoovered another eyeballed line of bk2cb probably about 60mg, so 120mg in total, the pain is gone, and the music is starting to sound more engaging. Maybe this wont be a fucking boring evening afterall.
 
lurching said:
Besides, don't play with G if you're on daily benzos. You may have a GABA tolerance but it's not completely cross-tolerant and you still get some of the benzo's slowed breathing--bad idea.

The addiction is fierce, it rewired my reward center for quite some time, and the clucking is truly damaging in neurotoxic terms especially when done too fast. Been there a few too many times, but hohoho the first few bottles were LUSH.
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A gaba drug that enhances music and is also stimmy and an aphrodisiac and addictive as fuck from what ive gathered, yeah i think i had a lucky escape that i didnt discover that stuff just at the time that my pre ban meph ran out and i was searching for a new alternative.

Very informative pdf link too Lurch.
 
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joe90 said:
Dan any luck with getting any interviews dude ?
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Not yet mate, still got some savings left, stupidly still claming nothing even though im entitled to it, will get myself in gear soon though

mydrugbuddy said:
A gaba drug that enhances music and is also stimmy and an aphrodisiac
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Sounds like a lovely combo... ive always gotten quite a decent buzz off booze. or did. its dull these days without stims, lacking. used to crave the ass off meph cos i always drank before meph, was a trigger
 
ColtDan said:
ive always gotten quite a decent buzz off booze. or did. its dull these days without stims, lacking. used to crave the ass off meph cos i always drank before meph, was a trigger
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Bang on. Booze is never enough for me anymore really, used to love getting pissed but now it just feels so lacking. I still drink because I like the taste of it but I rarely have a big night out where I'm just drinking now.
 
I miss my 30s and my 60s and also my linctus. Used to love downing the whole bottle with some 60s and feel a heavenly feeling of desire.... I miss those days of being in a constant codeine haze, I'd clean this house ten x over without a care in the world - it didn't eve n seem like a chore to do it. I miss codeine in way. Even my friend who had been on suboxone for under five years has gone back to codeine.....

.... and tells me about it too, knowing I was addicted to it.

Evey
 
You sound like me at the age of 21... the realization that booze is crap on its own. spent years liking it, wicked nights, although in hindsight it was messy times, booze on its own is rubbish... kinda... i dont like slating it cos i drink so much and enjoy it.. the inibition loss is good, and it does make me buzz, but its sloppy.. but balances uppers perfectly for me.. spins everything society forces into people backwards, cos everybody is encouraged to get pissed and whatnot, its so socially acceptable and aviable, yet its one of the most harmful dangerous drugs around, people cant even accept its a drug. apparently getting "paro", is the way forward, and i used to a lot, but getting wrecked on booze is just a mess. if there is a definition of a "date rape drug" its booze, id much prefer to be sharp-ish, coherent, functional and euphoric, which is what meph, coke, and MD does (in sensible amounts) on its own or combined with booze
 
Eveleivibe said:
It is my OPINION please accept and stop trying to change it.
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I have never spoken to you before, to my recollection.
Accept you having an "opinion" - well, yes - but if you want to share your opinion with people on a discussion board - expect to encounter other people's "opinions" that may differ to yours - especially if you are going to make claims about pharmacology and neurochemistry that is just not based in scientific fact.

If you don't like people disagreeing with you, perhaps you should make a blog. Bluelight is about sharing of accurate HR information through research, discussion and collaboration.
This isn't an insult, it's an honest suggestion.

Offer an opinion on the forum; sure, go for it - if you're wrong about your assumptions, that's no big deal - but when it is combined with a black&white abstinence-style value judgement, sorry to tell you this - but you're going to get called out on it.
You need to accept that.

Unfounded opinions are fine for subjective matters - like "do you like 'red' as a colour?"

Crying "I'm entitled to my opinion" does not entitle you to spread misinformation without it being questioned.
Eveleivibe said:
I'm allowed to have an opinion just because I was on codeine and not bloody heroin. I do believe you should suffer it as I way of never going back there. MDB has a point with the relapse bit but he was not condescending in his comment to me.
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Condescending? What makes you assume I was addicted to heroin? I wasn't.

You have overlooked the context entirely in your histrionics; codeine is a "mild" opiate - one i never recall having insomnia on.
That what was being discussed, right?
Nobody is looking down on your for your drug of choice.

Claiming that people are being condescending - like acting persecuted for voicing an 'opinion' and having someone disagree with you - is ridiculous.

Telling me "you should suffer" at the same time as saying I'm being condescending? Right. :?
This makes me wonder if I should even be responding to you at all.

Eveleivibe said:
You all say addiction is addiction and I'm not going to be treated different because I was on codeine and not heroin but the moment I have any sort of opinion I'm quickly put into my place of "how I've never been on strong opiates so thus wouldn't know" I find it extremely patronising and offensive.
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Again, claiming to be persecuted against when you revel in drama, and all kinds of imaginary social intricacies - have you not picked up on the general atmosphere in EADD?

People call a spade a fucking spade in this subforum, which has always been part of its appeal, but also part of its volatility, and danger- for some.
From what I've seen over the past few months is an incredible amount of patience shown towards you by the good people of EADD. Those that are still posting here regularly, that is.

Surely you are grown-up enough to either;

- have a thick skin about people disagreeing with you - and debate it, let it go, agree to disagree or some other variation on these options
or ;
- realise that you find other people besides you speaking their minds "extremely patronising and offensive" and either adjust your posting style accordingly, or do whatever else it takes to prevent your feelings getting hurt.
(Note that I am not making any suggestions on what I think you should do to remedy the situation).

As a former opiate addict, I find your attitude regarding long-term withdrawal symptoms somewhat patronising.
Hence my blunt response.

But offensive?
Everybody is entitled to be offended, but nobody is so precious that they can never expect not to be offended.

In accusing me of making a value judgement about your codeine use - frankly, I don't care what you have (or haven't) been hooked on - the question of opiates causing insomnia was separate to the discussion of PAWS, depression, anti-depressant medications and your take on "suffering" being an important part of PAWS.

For someone with a creative life, job, responsibilities and relationships to get on with, I think your "opinion" is ridiculous, so I told you so.

Your experience in this matter does seem relevant in this instance - as I have gone through detox, acute WD and a long, horrible post-acute withdrawal period, so I find your sentiments about it being "something you just have to go through" that i "should suffer" really quite obnoxious - if you've never been through it.
Correct me if I'm wrong though - have you?

I get the feeling you don't understand the context of what you are talking about; PAWS isn't like cold turkey - for many people it is much worse.

If you find my "I'm opiate free and you're not" attitude condescending, I apologise.

There's only one way to remedy that...but I hear the PAWS from buprenorphine are pretty nasty, so I wish you all the best, especially if you are going to refuse any medical help to see you get through it.

I mean that - because I'm about sincere compassion, not your brand of overcooked empathy grandstanding with a generous side serve of tough-love.

Just to clarify, I did not say that you've "never been on strong opiates so thus wouldn't know" in regard to addiction or withdrawal - you are confusing two completely separate parts of the discussion.

What I was saying was that you've "never been clean long enough post-addiction to speak with any sort of judgemental authority on the merits (or otherwise) of post-acute withdrawal". Correct me if I'm wrong - I don't keep tabs on your life story, but that's what the "I'm on suboxone, I've only ever used codeine" comments would imply.
You just swapped one addiction for another? If so, you don't know what you're talking about. Sorry, you might think you do, but you don't.

If you think people should have to suffer for months or years as part of their process of ridding themselves of addiction, expect to be disagreed with.
If you can't handle being disagreed with, don't post such insensitive crap. It really is rich to claim that you are "offended" when you took my post so far out of context that I doubt you even read it.

I would have thought that someone with your, uh, 'history' on this forum would realise that people don't always agree with each other, because it is a discussion board with a free flow of ideas.

If you are offended by that, it's up to you to come to terms with that.
 
Well fuck me thats quite a post. you been on the stims my ole space sonny
 
ColtDan said:
You sound like me at the age of 21... the realization that booze is crap on its own. spent years liking it, wicked nights, although in hindsight it was messy times, booze on its own is rubbish... kinda... i dont like slating it cos i drink so much and enjoy it.. the inibition loss is good, and it does make me buzz, but its sloppy.. but balances uppers perfectly for me.. spins everything society forces into people backwards, cos everybody is encouraged to get pissed and whatnot, its so socially acceptable and aviable, yet its one of the most harmful dangerous drugs around, people cant even accept its a drug. apparently getting "paro", is the way forward, and i used to a lot, but getting wrecked on booze is just a mess. if there is a definition of a "date rape drug" its booze, id much prefer to be sharp-ish, coherent, functional and euphoric, which is what meph, coke, and MD does (in sensible amounts) on its own or combined with booze
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Couldn't have said it better myself really. I'll always like booze, I drink almost every day (not in an alcoholic way, as in a glass of wine with dinner way :P) but yeah I prefer to actually be in control and remember my nights out rather than puking on your flatmates bed (as someone I know did...) and generally making a twat of yourself. I'm good on half a bottle/whole bottle max of wine and half a g of meph for nights out nowadays, feel much better the morning after as well compared to when I used to hammer half a litre of JD on a night. I get quite horrible hangovers in general which is odd because I have to really overdo things to get any kind of comedown at all. Another plus eh :P Being able to get coke recently though I've remembered how much I prefer it, it just feels so much cleaner and smoother than meph, plus it doesn't smell like shit which is always a bonus (I can't be the only one that likes the coke smell? :P).
 
SummerSerenade said:
Bang on. Booze is never enough for me anymore really, used to love getting pissed but now it just feels so lacking. I still drink because I like the taste of it but I rarely have a big night out where I'm just drinking now.
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Drug honeymoon period much? :D

Booze is one of the shittest drugs but also one of the best at the same time. There is a reason its so popular, its versatility is unparalleled. You can chill and have a beer after work, it enhances a meal, there isn't much better than a cold alcoholic drink on a hot day, getting shitfaced, catching up with friends over a beer the list goes on.
 
Drug honeymoon period hah, maybe, we'll see eh? :P Booze just tastes nice though, cider, wine, JD coke, lovely. I don't bother with vodka or anything like that, don't see the point because it's just not nice to drink :\ I'm a red wine girl mainly though, slowly working through all the ones below £10 I can find in Waitrose ;)
 
Sensible lady... i think where i went wrong is drinking so much on it, thats why i get/got such bad comedowns and feel so rough, and yeah coke is much more smooth unless its cut with a stim, that musky smell is nice so you're deffo not the only one that likes it ;) meph used to stink... and still does, i dunno if its my sense of smell thats dimished over time or the smell of the stuff, everything used to stink of it, then again thats no surprising doing lines off the screen of my phone, even bagged though it'd make my wallet smell, my pockets. i never used to get sweaty off it though, stims usually make people sweaty, never had that until speed. some people used to stink of a combo of meph, booze, fags and sweat... rough

as for the taste of booze.. i mainly drink for effects
 
ColtDan said:
Well fuck me thats quite a post. you been on the stims my ole space sonny
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Maybe the tail end of a trip - but really just attempting to hold a mirror up to hypocrisy when I see it.
Came out a bit longer than I expected - always a good sign when you finish a post to find that the one you originally quoted and responded to has been edited to be more accusatory and inflammatory.

For posterity;

Eveleivibe said:
Do not try to belittle me spacejunk I found your post to be one of the most offensive posts I've read since joining BL how DARE you treat me like I've no clue what I am talking about. I have every clue as well as a Psychology degree where we were talking about neurotransmitters as well as a counselling diploma taught by one of the best psychotherapists in the country - who knows a thing or two about SSRIs. I AM VERY AWARE OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, thank you very much. Kindly don't speak to me again if you are going to talk to me in that manner I won't have it.
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Jesus.
 
spacejunk said:
Maybe the tail end of a trip - but really just attempting to hold a mirror up to hypocrisy when I see it.
Came out a bit longer than I expected - always a good sign when you finish a post to find that the one you originally quoted and responded to has been edited to be more accusatory and inflammatory.
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Not slating it at all i'll add, am impressed. hats off to you mate. you've put into words stuff that i cant be assed to type
 
ColtDan said:
Sensible lady... i think where i went wrong is drinking so much on it, thats why i get/got such bad comedowns and feel so rough, and yeah coke is much more smooth unless its cut with a stim, that musky smell is nice so you're deffo not the only one that likes it ;) meph used to stink... and still does, i dunno if its my sense of smell thats dimished over time or the smell of the stuff, everything used to stink of it, then again thats no surprising doing lines off the screen of my phone, even bagged though it'd make my wallet smell, my pockets. i never used to get sweaty off it though, stims usually make people sweaty, never had that until speed. some people used to stink of a combo of meph, booze, fags and sweat... rough

as for the taste of booze.. i mainly drink for effects
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Mainly drink for effects?! You're a strange one ;) Drugs for effects, alcohol because it's lush. I used to make the mistake of drinking too much on meph and feeling a bit shitty the next day, you don't really need that much though really. What I normally do is just have a few glasses of wine then do a line of meph and it makes it like 10x stronger. I might just have a really sensitive sense of smell (haven't fucked my nose up too much yet? :P) but I actually sometimes struggle to do meph because it smells so fucking horrible. I don't get sweaty when I'm actually on it, I do the next day though, it used to literally pour out and I could just smell it all over myself even after showering but I don't get that so much anymore thank god. Sweaty and smelly with fucked stim eyes, not a good look ;)
 
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