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Bupe I hate Suboxone.

Pill__Head

Pill__Head

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I switched to suboxone a couple weeks ago, before the subs i was on MMT.. and i freakin' hate Bupe. It just doesnt do anything for me, dosnt matter if i dose 2mg or 16mg, I dont get any opiate feel from it atall.. im depressed, my anxiety is horrible.. these subs dont do shit for me, its so frustrating.. :X

What am I doing wrong...? I don't get it,
 
If you're on management aren't you supposed to feel normal and not feel opiate effects from it? I take 8mg sub/day and really doesn't make a difference whether i take it or not, I feel the same (until I haven't taken for like 3 days, then I feel ill).
 
sailor bugg said:
If you're on management aren't you supposed to feel normal and not feel opiate effects from it? I take 8mg sub/day and really doesn't make a difference whether i take it or not, I feel the same (until I haven't taken for like 3 days, then I feel ill).
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Im not expecting to get a nice high everyday that I dose it, but Ive beem on maintence with methadone beforehand for a while so im used to not having to get and 'opiate high' everyday, but when I was on 'done it I had pinned pupils, I got a couple hour enegy boost after dosing, then I would fade into feeling "normal" for the rest of the day.. But with this Suboxone I dont get ANY sort of opiate 'feel' whatsoever...ha if you guys understand what im saying.

IDK if its just simply that my tolerance is still to high ( I was on 120mg methadone a day before I had to hop on Suboxone) even though its been a couple weeks on subs already...
 
I don't know what to say man you gotta give it a chance you gotta keep yourself on a steady dose that keeps symptoms away for a while then start tapering down to a reasonable dose that will give you some opiate effects but you can't just go from having a high tolerance to taking small dose bupe and expect to feel any high/relief the last time we talked was like a week ago I told you it took me months before I got to where I am where I can dose 3 tines a day and feel high from the bupe every time with pinned pupils and every thing like you get from typical opiate's. It'll take some time your body needs to adjust to sub stick to as high a dose as you need for a month or 2 then start tapering going down by 2 every couple weeks then the lower you get the more you will feel the sub working and you will feel probably better than you did on methadone but if you want a quick high then go back to methadone. It'll take some time have you thought about some counseling to go along with your program to help deal with your urge to get high? I may help you never know till you try.
 
ladianios said:
So you took 120 mg of methadone the day before you started subs???
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lol no..

edit: But I probably should add that I did, like, literally the week before. All I had was a week to from 120mg methadone down to sub. induction and it worked..I didn't get ANY PW's during my Suboxone induction.
 
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trainspotter10102 said:
I don't know what to say man you gotta give it a chance you gotta keep yourself on a steady dose that keeps symptoms away for a while then start tapering down to a reasonable dose that will give you some opiate effects but you can't just go from having a high tolerance to taking small dose bupe and expect to feel any high/relief the last time we talked was like a week ago I told you it took me months before I got to where I am where I can dose 3 tines a day and feel high from the bupe every time with pinned pupils and every thing like you get from typical opiate's. It'll take some time your body needs to adjust to sub stick to as high a dose as you need for a month or 2 then start tapering going down by 2 every couple weeks then the lower you get the more you will feel the sub working and you will feel probably better than you did on methadone but if you want a quick high then go back to methadone. It'll take some time have you thought about some counseling to go along with your program to help deal with your urge to get high? I may help you never know till you try.
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Yeah, i'm really trying with this Suboxone, but I just ain't getting any relief with it! I personally really want to hop back on methadone..but I know that would be almost moving backwards..
 
Pill__Head said:
Yeah, i'm really trying with this Suboxone, but I just ain't getting any relief with it! I personally really want to hop back on methadone..but I know that would be almost moving backwards..
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yes brother i know how hard it can be it took me lots of going to dope then back to sub so on and so forth until i finally buckled down and tried to make the sub do its job without doing ANY dope. all i can say is start smoking cannabis it helped me tremendously with the mental cravings while on bupe.

or were you the one who couldn't smoke for some reason?
i know the states keeps most people from smoking pot while on sub which is shitty as it helped me lower my dose and stay on the stuff and not go to methadone, i can honestly say if it wasn't for pot i would have been on dope still today or on that nasty methadone crap.

i thank god everyday he created mary jane
 
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Oh trust me, I smoke bro, daily for the past half decade. haha.. Naw my sub doc. is so far cool with me using marijuana..

Shit Im more addicted to marijuana than opiates I think.. I smoke sun up to sundown, man I love Cannabis.

Yeah but fuck, man I still have bad tremors all throughout the day, such bad anxienty and I didnt have it this bad when I was on Methdone. I'm fine when I use Benzos.. But I don't want to be slave to one more substance, so i try not to use them daily.
 
Might be a tolerance thing? I mean you did switch from a full-agonist to a partial one,maybe just give it a little more time. And that was me that couldn't smoke,or so I thought? I got a thing in the mail that had a list of substances that I was tested for on my 1st visit and marijuana was not listed(a damn bill from my 1st visit, 8 months ago!!!) with a little thing that said unisured patient as of the end of May, and low and behold my insurance wouldn't cover my new script when I went to pick it up, said I need a new pre-approval..but I'm begining to wonder if I'm even tested for weed, I mean, doesn't make sense I would get a bill from the drug testing company 8 months later that my doctor uses..but maybe give it more time...i honestly crave all the time on it unless I take benzo's,but I do get a itsy bitsy glow once in a blue moon, would much prefer methadone for cravings though...
 
Pill__Head said:
Oh trust me, I smoke bro, daily for the past half decade. haha.. Naw my sub doc. is so far cool with me using marijuana..

Shit Im more addicted to marijuana than opiates I think.. I smoke sun up to sundown, man I love Cannabis.

Yeah but fuck, man I still have bad tremors all throughout the day, such bad anxienty and I didnt have it this bad when I was on Methdone. I'm fine when I use Benzos.. But I don't want to be slave to one more substance, so i try not to use them daily.
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yea man im so sorry to hear your having such a rough time with the transition some have it worse than others but most with issues were on methadone. but if you give it some more time bud it should go away i would hate to see you throw this away for a slight glow an hour in the morning i mean its not worth it what about a hobby or something to take your mind off it or make some edibles with pot and get nice and stoned forget about the glow you want to feel.
 
Also, if you don't mind me asking, why did you decide to go on Subs? Are you trying to get off of everything completley eventually in the near future? If so, then I encourage you to try to stick it out a while with the Subs, but if you are getting pressure from other people to get off of everything then honestly,wouldn't listen to them..go with what works best for you,. Also wanted to add anti-histamines work wonders sometimes(at night for me) with the anxious feeling I get sometime's on Subs,I find Doxylamine works best for me...i have to be careful with the benzo's because I'm not scripted them..kinda sucks, i'm always worried about benzo's lingering around in my system with every drug test I have. But just throwing that option in there for ya if you do not want to be completely dependent on the benzo's...
 
What was the point of this thread? Was there a specific question that I missed? I guess I'll touch on a few things here, If you plan on being on a drug maintenance program semi-permanently, and want to feel somewhat buzzed, stick with the methadone, if you're trying to quit so you're not dependent, bupe' is excellent for a quick taper. The reason you felt an opioid "high" with methadone, is 'cause it's a 'full' agonist, opposed to bupe', which is a 'partial' agonist. The best chance of feeling an opioid 'high' with bupe' is to take less of it. There is threads explaining the science behind the 'norbupe theory'.. But to sum it up in a consolidated explanation; The body metabolizes bupe'(partial agonist) into norbupe (full agonist),by taking less bupe initially, there's more open opioid receptors for the norbupe to attach to.
 
What are you trying to achieve being on suboxone? It's great if you ready to take your life back and want to do a quick taper. However, from the sound of your thread, you're not at that point yet! You're main concern is not getting an 'opiate high', (as you so eloquently put it) from the suboxone. Do you see how this way of thinking is flawed, and can derail your path to becoming sober? So I don't know if you're trying to quit because of your financial situation, or what your reasoning behind it is, but you need to change your mindset if you really plan on quitting.. Otherwise just stick with the methadone..
 
Benzos helped me. Methadone was like a legal high so I wouldn't ever get off of it. Subs made me sick as hell and they don't work at all. I told my dr all of this and say benzos help (benzo of your choice) for example xanax is what I got and I had no problems with withdrawls. Just dont take too many benzos or you're back to square one
 
you gotta give it a chance, it will help some but i had way more anxiety and no high on subs like i did on methadone and i understand its a shock plus 120 is a lot of methadone BUT it will get better. i know that doesnt make you feel better. im sorry.
 
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