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Hello I am new here! Newly registered anyway, I've been coming here for help/information/research since the beginning of my "heroin career" ha :/ I started using heroin last summer, it started out as just a weekend thing with my boyfriend of 10 years. I've been battling his addiction for some time now and in a moment of desperation my brain came up with this brilliant idea that I should try it. Since I couldn't very well tell him he shouldn't do something without first experiencing it for myself, right? Yeah, I'm a genius.

I had hoped that he would not want me to progress to a full blown addict and would magically say, "hey I'm done with this shit." Well it didn't work that way. Every time it was the very last time. And I believed it. And then one day he said "wanna get high one last time" for the 40th or something time, and I noticed my heart started racing and I got this extreme craving and I wanted nothing more than to say "yes! Yes I do!"

Then I started calling our dealer on my own and getting my own stuff. I would experience wd's when I didn't even know they were wd's. Restlessness, depression, insomnia, body aches etc. I had a problem though. I worked part time as a cashier at a pet store for minimum vwage and got paid bi weekly. So my funds were limited. I ended up spending every dime Id get on heroin, save for 20$ for cigarettes. He gets paid waaayy more than me so he would be steady high all week long, and lie about it even though I could clearly tell he was high. That began to strain our relationship very badly. Luckily at the time I could make one 40 bag last for like 5 shots as I didn't need a lot, and our guy would front them to me. So I spent the week cuffing every other day, get paid, pay him back, and start all over again.

Then one day it was getting very close to our move date, my mother was moving out of state and paid our first and last on an apt so I wouldn't be homeless when she left. He genuinely wanted to stop and begged me to help. So I did. I quit. I did my last shot the morning of our move. Three days later, dope sick in bed together, he had his brother bring home a couple suboxone strips. (My idea, bc he used to take them daily a year before when he had no tolerance and was doing very well) I can't take them sublingually bc the taste makes me vomit. Just the smell or thought of the taste makes me cringe. So I waited til he was sleeping and IV'ed it. I'd never felt better. I began IV'ing them for the next couple months, not every day but very frequently. I was doing really well. And so was he, for a time. Then came the day he came home high. I got the usual runaround. He's not high, he did a suboxone. Right.. Thankfully the suboxone staved my craving for it and the fact that I had abstained from heroin from so long and I was proud of it, so I was able go refrain from relapsing. I forgave him, let it go. One slip up is nothing. Then it started happening every Friday on his pay day. He started blaming me, saying that I shoot my subs and get high every say so who am I to say anything if he spends our money on dope and gets high once or twice a week? I didn't get high off the subs, as many of you know you must be opiate naive which I am not to really get jammed off those. Sure I got a nice slight buzz and I truly felt good while on them, but nothing compared to being on dope. And I was spending waaaayyy less on them. In march of this year I got sick of seeing him high. Being reminded of the beautiful nods and not getting the same relief out of shooting my subs I began to yearn for the rush. I broke down and bought 2 bags. Oh my. It wasn't as strong bc I had been on the subs for some time but it was beautiful all the same. Then I found a bag of his in his drawer, shot that. Eventually we got high together again. I said I was sick of him lying about it. Its obvious. Just give me some. And it was the "last time". It was great. We had great sex, bonded and got closer for a while even. Pay day came and we'd get a bunch and get nice and high. Then came the day where I woke up sick. Great. Now I need it. Bills are pushed on the back burner, we just barely get our rent paid, and that weekend around the first is EXCRUCIATING. I owe just about everyone I know money, except my poor dad who says I don't need to pay him back. No one knows its all going to heroin.

Anyway, me and my boyfriend have gone from lovers to enemies in a matter of months. He still makes more than me, even though I have a slightly better job that pays weekly instead of biweekly. And until a week or two ago he would get paid and play like we were getting clean. I'd be sick as fuck and he'd come home high and lie about having any more. We would viciously fight and it was horrible. I beg him for shots in the morning and despite knowing how high my tolerance is he gives me complete noob shots. Just enough to stave away WD for a few hours and I go to work hours later sick. Then I get paid and HALLELUJAH I spend every dime I have on dope and make it last as long as possible. We desperately want to get clean now but our schedules don't allow it. We need to work and we need dope to work. We just can't get corresponding days off to get clean together and one can't do it if the other isn't as well.

So there's my story. That's what's going on in my life right now that has led me to seek advice here on blue light. Now I must do a wash of my dope cap since I did my only morning shot too early today and go to work and pray that he buys more tonight so I can go to work tomorrow.
 
hey I gave you some good links in your other thread you made.
im sorry to hear about you and your boyfriend but relationships don't last and are not healthy when your either both currently addicts or if just one of you is an addict and the other is not. its makes you mad he wont share but would you share with him? I bet you would hate to give him dope to keep him well every morning cause you love the dope him too you both do of course you do you need the dope but you can do without each other.

so how were you getting suboxone? did you just buy it on the streets?
why don't you get back on it fuck the dope and the boyfriend do you really want to be a slave to dope and have to beg this guy for drugs to get you well every morning for the rest of your life? wouldn't you rather have a slightly less rush compared to dope doing suboxone rather than be begging your boyfriend I mean I bet you could get higher on the sub than you do dope right now with those small ass shots he gives you to keep you well. I get high on sub and im not a complete noob at all when it comes to opiates. I stopped doing my 8ball a day china white habit a year back and went on Buprenorphine(suboxone) and I have no regrets. I do around 0.3 mgs every 6 hours sublingually (I stopped using needles a while back once I realised theres not much difference between sublingual/insufflation and IV use when it comes to bupe besides having no waste but the stuff is so cheap compared to dope so who cares why not save your veins)

Today if someone offered me bupe or heroin I would really most likely choose the bupe because I don't care for the heroin anymore it makes you so tired and lazy along with giving you such a shitty feeling of withdrawal only a couple hours after doing it. with bupe you just need to stick to doses 2mgs and under then you get nice and buzzed every shot you do as long as you keep your daily dose under 2mgs you will feel like your taking a full agonist such as morphine but after that it starts to block euphoria and make side effects appear along with only easing the withdrawal not taking them right away. hence the term less is more. I didn't believe it until I saw pain patients who get bupe prescribed not for addiction but for post surgery pain only need 0.2-0.4mgs every 4 hours or so the reason doses are split up is cause even with the long half life(36 hours) bupe is only effective on pain for the first 4 hours Its in the body.

After seeing that i tapered down from 12 mgs once a day to 1mg a 3 times day and was getting so much more euphoria and energy along with better pain relief on 1mgs than I could've ever imagined while taking 12 mgs. I tell you this cause I would rather see you on sub having a real life and being happy rather than being so un happy being a slave to dope and having to beg guys for dope to get well leaving you with no pride.
you've made some mistakes but you don't deserve to be un happy we all make mistakes. I can show you the way but you have to walk the path to recovery and follow it for the rest of your life for it to work

hope to hear back from you soon :)

im gonna send you a friend request and a private message and ill be there for you shall you want my help or ever need support.

I can understand a lot of your story how you get the fronts and you pay it off every pay day leaving you broke at the end of every payday so you must depend on more fronts it happens all the time don't beat yourself up we have all been there.
 
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Sounds exactly like my life previously... except my girlfriend didn't work so I was doing all the drug financing. When we first met and weren't using I thought she was my soulmate and she thought the same. But then drugs came in to play, mainly Heroin and it slowly tore us apart and she ended up in jail. She never tired hard to get clean so I had to leave her, we were toxic for each other. That's hard to say because I loved her more than anything and never thought we would leave each other. I hate opiates and how they can change someone so drastically. Anyway I put myself in detox and then to a 45 day rehab where I was clean for 2 month, which was the longest time I've had clean in 10 years. But I was still having pretty bad PAWS even after 2 months and so I got into see a suboxone doctor and have been on it since and my life is now steady and starting to become more normal. I am a responsible person and always kept a job while using, even though it was very hard sometimes. I think addicts sometimes thrive off the drama that that lifestyle brings even though they say they hate it. My life now is a little boring because there isn't all the drama and i'm not always chasing that next high. So I have found a second part time job on top of my full time that I really enjoy doing.

Anyway, I would not suggest shooting subs weather they are pills or strips. I was actually shooting subs before I ever did H and they SERIOUSLY damaged my veins. I got blood clots from shooting them, but on top of that I didn't really get higher by shooting them. Snorting has been the best option for me for effectiveness. I can snort 1/2 a 2mg sub twice a day and be fine, but if i take them sublingually I need at least 5 or more 2mg pills. I have much experience with subs, methadone, heroin and I have even grown my own opium. Let me know if you have any other questions.
 
hey trainspotter. Thank u for ur reply & advice. We were together 10 years before we both started using, grew up together, best friends blah blah all that so there is a relationship to be salvaged from all this. And to answer your question, YES! I do share with him! Every time I cop I give him some. I hate to see him sick. I might not always be honest about what I have lol but I do always take care of him. That's why I got so upset. The past couple weeks tho I think he recognized his unfairness bc hes been a lot more helpful.

We both desperately want to get clean, were so sick and tired of being sick and tired. Our problem is our work schedule. We both need to detox at the same time and get clean at the same time together or it will never work. Vut of course we need the dope to function. Its awful. This week I have Tuesday and Wednesday off, so hes going to try and get those days off so we can try and execute this master plan of mine lol

Also I would love to take sub the right way. I just physically cannot stomach the taste. It tastes like rancid orange peel and the second I taste it smell it or even think about tasting or smelling it I gag & begin to get sick lol its terrible. & I can't sniff it bc the drip is even worse. I've only been able to take it sublingually after ive drenched my entire mouth and throat with orajel lol and that doesn't always work.

Yes I was getting them on the streets. I didn't have health insurance for a while and just got free state care a month ago and thought I was just gonna go get subs and be magically okay. They're impossible to get! Every doctor I've called either takes my insurance but isn't taking patients, or is taking patients but doesn't take my insurance. I swear it's an evil joke that some kid with a magnifying glass is playing on me.

Hopefully were able to get thru the next couple days. We have enough to get thru work tomorrow and then hopefully we both have Tues and wed off and we can be sick puppies in bed and then wake up Thurs and take the subs and move forward. I'll keep you updated :)
 
Hey cap'n I know it is best to get clean for myself but unfortunately we're also roommates. Share the same bed & everything lol and I know myself too well to know that I can't do it alone. Seeing him high while I'm sick is just gunna aggravate the monkey on my back into either begging for some of what he has, waiting til he's sleeping to go thru his shit & find it or copping for myself. We both need to stop or we'll never stop, you see. :/

& we both want to stop. He's sick of it too. But like I said work is just too hard to get through without a fix. He does construction so the body aches and lethargy are impossible to deal with for him. I'm a grocery store cashier so it's kind of even worse for me. I'm just standing around all day thinking about how sick I am. & then my lower back starts to ache, cold sweats made worse by touching frozen food. Feet & legs hurting, not to mention the nausea and diarrhea that make me have to run to the bathroom every 20 minutes. My bosses really love that lol. Im luckier cus I can call out there's always someone else to run a register but I can't always do that bc I need money to buy dope lol but he can't call out. If he calls out then the job can't get finished bc there's no replacements for him, and his boss is angry bc every day the jobs not done is a day he loses money.

So we need to stop simultaneously or it won't happen at all. My goal now is to get clean, get into school FINALLY (I'm going for medical billing/coding) so I can quit the grocery store and have a better paying job, so that I can work pay rent and bills and still afford to do heroin :) maybe along the line I'll change the last bit but whatever keeps me motivated right I have to have something to look forward to!

Turkeymuncher -
I'm sorry to hear about you and your girlfriend :/ its terrible what this drug does to people it truly is. I'm glad you were able to pull through, though and get out for yourself. I'm truly sorry it didn't work out with the two of you but hey maybe in the future she'll pull herself together and you guys could have another go at it eh?
 
Captain lol funny story -

So I learned basically all I know about suboxone from reading your posts as well as others. Me and my boyfriend have gotten into so many arguments regarding this drug and this is why: he would bring home suboxones, and give them to me meanwhile he has a bag or two in his pocket. I'm dope sick and miserable and I ask him for a shot or two. he tells me you'll be fine just take the sub. So I proceed to inform him about dosing too soon and precipitated withdrawal and all that fun stuff (which I've experienced... Terrible.) I also tell him that wd's start between 6-12 hrs after the last dose.He tells me I'm wrong that he's taken suboxone the next morning after dosing and been fine blah blah blah. So I say "dude that's NOT what captain heroin says!!"

He proceeded to stare at me blankly for about 5 minutes before telling me I was truly insane and needed help more than he thought. LMFAO he doesn't know what bluelight is hahaha I wish you could have seen his face!
 
Hey cap'n I know it is best to get clean for myself but unfortunately we're also roommates. Share the same bed & everything lol and I know myself too well to know that I can't do it alone. Seeing him high while I'm sick is just gunna aggravate the monkey on my back into either begging for some of what he has, waiting til he's sleeping to go thru his shit & find it or copping for myself. We both need to stop or we'll never stop, you see. :/

& we both want to stop. He's sick of it too. But like I said work is just too hard to get through without a fix. He does construction so the body aches and lethargy are impossible to deal with for him. I'm a grocery store cashier so it's kind of even worse for me. I'm just standing around all day thinking about how sick I am. & then my lower back starts to ache, cold sweats made worse by touching frozen food. Feet & legs hurting, not to mention the nausea and diarrhea that make me have to run to the bathroom every 20 minutes. My bosses really love that lol. Im luckier cus I can call out there's always someone else to run a register but I can't always do that bc I need money to buy dope lol but he can't call out. If he calls out then the job can't get finished bc there's no replacements for him, and his boss is angry bc every day the jobs not done is a day he loses money.

So we need to stop simultaneously or it won't happen at all. My goal now is to get clean, get into school FINALLY (I'm going for medical billing/coding) so I can quit the grocery store and have a better paying job, so that I can work pay rent and bills and still afford to do heroin :) maybe along the line I'll change the last bit but whatever keeps me motivated right I have to have something to look forward to!

Turkeymuncher -
I'm sorry to hear about you and your girlfriend :/ its terrible what this drug does to people it truly is. I'm glad you were able to pull through, though and get out for yourself. I'm truly sorry it didn't work out with the two of you but hey maybe in the future she'll pull herself together and you guys could have another go at it eh?

I think the captain is trying to say you need to focus on yourself first if your boyfriend is going to be using in front of you while trying to get clean then it quite simply isn't going to make your sobriety last very long.
 
Yea but like he said you can't force someone to get clean so if he wants to do it willingly then great good on him but if not then if you truly want to get sober then you may have to leave him behind and focus on YOU. But I just re read your paragraph above and you say you just want to stop for a bit to save up money to do all the heroin you want without depending on your boyfriend so I'm guessing you wouldnt leave your boyfriend over that. If you use sub's in low doses it could curb cravings while your boyfriend uses around you and get you buzzed for cheaper until you save some money to blow on heroin:)
Try low doses mabye you won't even want heroin ever again like me8o

Just so you know you could save a million dollars and you would still end up broke eventually with nothing heroin is evil in that way you don't stop till your left with nothing.
 
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I know -_- lol that part was mostly a joke I really do want to be off the stuff. But anyhow, I can't just leave him to get clean we share an apartment together. I don't have anywhere to go. Andif he leaves I can't pay my rent and I'm homeless. So even if I wanted to I couldnt , you see. That's why we need to plan a couple of days where we both don't have work so we can detox at home together at the same time.
 
I know -_- lol that part was mostly a joke I really do want to be off the stuff. But anyhow, I can't just leave him to get clean we share an apartment together. I don't have anywhere to go. Andif he leaves I can't pay my rent and I'm homeless. So even if I wanted to I couldnt , you see. That's why we need to plan a couple of days where we both don't have work so we can detox at home together at the same time.

Yea there's some things to get in order first before getting clean I see. Just a word of advice there will always be issues like that to work past I used to say oh I can't go to detox I need to pay rent or bring this money to so and so and do this job , my mom needs me to pay bills or this and that and next thing you know you've been making excuses for a long time and have gotten worse. It takes a long time before you feel normal close to a month so beware your gonna need some time. Mabye with your busy schedule and complicated situation where you need the guy to pay rent too suboxone might be the best thing and you could taper that and still feel normal same with the boyfriend.
 
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So our plan did not pan out the way I had planned. I told him to get at least Tuesday off so we could detox & take the sub and feel fine. Well turns out "he couldn't get Tuesday or Wednesday off he absolutely had to work bc his boss is getting sick of him and he would've been fired had he asked for the day off".

Monday night he picked me up from work and we drove to meet the guy at his gfs house 35 min away. He claimed he only got enough $ for one bag, which I believed til we got there. & this is why:

Once we got to the town he told me to put the street name in my gps. So I did, but he didn't give me a street number. The GPS ended up taking us somewhere not even close, and he caught it before we got too lost. But he started screaming at me about it like it was somehow my fault and Im so stupid I can't even do a GPS entry correctly.. So we finally get there and I realize he's frustrated bc now he doesn't need to park and go walk & meet him, he just walked up to the car. My bf starts frantically fumbling with his wallet, trying to keep it on his left side out of my line of sight so I cant see how much money he's pulling out of it, and getting pissy bc he's not doing it slick enough. I see him pull out enough for 2 bags, not 1.

So he gets the shit and we drive away and he pretends to be pissed that he didn't even get a chance to ask him to front him another one. He realizes I'm agitated, and rudely asks what's wrong. After saying nothing 5 times I finally snap at him "I saw you give him 70$ dude" and now he's screaming at me again saying he only gave him 50 and he owed him 10$. I knew he was going to try and lie, which is why I had tried to say nothing in the first place. So now he's screaming at me about how I'm a miserable bitch and I just like to piss him off and he only got 1 so I need to shut the fuck up blah blah blah.

Terrible ride home. Doesn't admit he bought 2 bags continues to lie about it. The day before, he had said he bought just 3. When we get 3 we always split one and keep one each. Whenever he finishes all his shit and doesn't save anything for the morning means that he has some hidden away somewhere. I decide against saying anything about it since I still have enough for a morning dose and I let it go. He then asks me a few hours later if he can have a little shot out of my stash. So I say fine David and I just won't have anything for the morning like thanks. You shouldn't have finished yours off. He says never mind, and I let it go. Then he falls asleep.

In the little pocket of his jeans, I find another bag unopened just waiting for me to tamper with it. Usually I'll just hide it from him so when he wakes up and goes to get it to do a secret shot in the bathroom he's forced to ask me where it is, subsequently having to admit that he has it and lied. But this time I said fuck him and I opened it and added some to my bag, making it nice and fat all over again while still leaving a nice amount left. Proving that he should have just honestly shared in the first place. He wakes up the next morning and goes to be secret squirrel and realizes I have found and opened it. He gets mad and starts yelling at me about why I always have to go thru his shit. I say "OK just completely overlook the fact that you tried to take the rest of what I had mean while you know you have a whole other bag in your pocket! You were willing to leave me with NOTHING knowing you had more." Then he tries to make himself look not so dickhead-ish by saying "um no I was gonna give u some if u gave me that last night." ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT!!! like wtf man he is ridiculous! Idk why I'm surprised.

So then yesterday I'm waiting for my check to hit my account, bc I get paid Tuesday nights, so I can cop. I was going to meet the guy myself, buy 4, and say I got 2; since I was sick of the retarded ass games he'd been playing the last few days. He says that he can borrow enough for 1 off his brother who lives with us so we can have one til that night. I say ok cool call the guy. He then comes back with 90$ and says oh he let us borrow this much so we can get 3. *face palm* great. There goes my plan. I say whatever though, bc at least if the guy doesn't keep his word about meeting me at 10pm I now have shit for the morning.

So we finally get the shit and I go to prep my shot and he goes "we have to give him a line for letting us borrow the money." WHAT?! So I tell him that's fine take it out of your bag. He says um no well take it from the one we split.. We argue a little before I'm forced to give in. But wtf? Like seriously? Get this: I STILL HAD TO PAY HIM BACK THE FULL AMOUNT. I say to him "hey is it cool if I give u 80$ since we gave u that line?" "Not really that's all I have" DUDE ALL I FUCKIN HAD WAS THAT MONEY AND NOW IM OUT EVERY DIME I EARNED LAST WEEK AND NOW IM OUT A FUCKIN SHOT SO IM GUNNA BE FUCKIN SICK TOMORROW SO YOUR OPIATE NAIVE FUCKIN ASS GOT TO CATCH A NICE BUZZ OUT OF MY POCKET AND YOU CANT EVEN PAY 10 BUCKS FOR THE FUCKIN LINE YOU TOOK SO I GET TO ENJOY DOPESICKNESS AND HAVING NO CIGARETTES BC UR A FUCKIN ASSHOLE.

Like seriously, ok you let me borrow it but I shouldn't owe you any more than what the fuck I borrowed.. You should totally fuckin pay for the drugs you recieved. I am fuckibg livid right now. I can't fucking wait for next Tuesday when I get a regular check (I got almost no hours last week so I only made 140$) and I can get enough to take care of me.

Also I've realized I need to take a weekend off. Bc he's never going to have a planned weekday off to detox with me. If he even wants to. I'm not even entirely sure I want to. Well I know I want to, and I know I need to. But the idea of not having anything and knowing I'm going to be sick scares the fuck out of me.

Anyway can someone please justify my feelings about that whole thing and please tell me if im right or wrong about being upset about him taking a line and not at least paying 10$ for it.
 
That's part of the game that's why its a shitty game people are greedy they only care about dope once they are hooked and they lie through their teeth and steal from each other.
I've had guys do that to me too tell me that all of a sudden they had to drive farther so could I get an extra 20 bucks or a shot out of the bag that's the way dealers are and middle men they want to get as much out of you as possible cause they know they got you by the short hairs since you are so hooked to their product and need it to feel normal so they know they can treat you like crap.
Its all part of the game heroin isn't fun and games this is the life you and your boyfriend ripping each other off all the time and fighting over who took whos dope I mean do you really want to live this way any longer? Why notbgo on suboxne and be happy cause dope won't make you happy it only gets worse and your relationship will only get un healthier until you hate each other and only see one another as a source of dope
 
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I know but it was his brother who let us borrow the money not the dealer or the middle man. He should've paid 10 bucks for the line right? I'm not crazy?

& trainspotter I know its terrible I'm living it and ive said I want to stop and I've also said why I can't/haven't I know your just trying to help but I get frustrated when you keep saying "why don't u just quit and take suboxone?"

Bc I can't get thru a day without it and I don't have the time. Shitty excuses I know, bc I could put in for the days off and I could just go to a detox. But again it has to be simultaneously with my bf or else it'll all be a waste. I'm heading in that direction, believe me, I'm just not there yet.
 
I just read your about me and your quote about addiction being like watching a ship sail away is absolutely beautiful. I just wanted to tell you that (:
 
I'm just trying to show you that it doesn't have to be this way for you your a young woman with her while life ahead of her I mean I'm just saying there's a way to get your fix without paying as much and putting up with this bullshit. I thought you said before you took sub's and felt good and normal from them so I was just saying you don't sound happy doing what your doing so why not give that a shot? You don't have to feel any symptoms or anything while on that. Its just if you detox your most likely gonna relapse due to the fact your BF don't really want to quit yet or isn't ready too and in order to stay clean your environment needs to be changed dramatically.

I'm just trying to understand what you wanted to do in those 2 days you wanted off? After 2 days you will just be starting the worst of the withdrawal it wouldn't be over for a long time which is why I threw sub's out there but you really gotta work to keep bad habits away we can show you a path but you have to decide what's right for you what you want to do and its also yo to you to change your surroundings.

I'm not saying it would be easy but after being in sub a while and living a good life with hobbies and healthy relationships the dope will seem like a stumupid thing you did in the past
 
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