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"How Psychedelics Saved My Life"

raas_2012 said:
Yeah, go on you got me there. I couldn't arsed to sift through them.

But the point was there - there's loadsa people who say psych's changed their lives for the better, then loads who say it put them in a mental hospital. Drawing attention to one persons experience, tells us nothing about how psychedelics affect people as a whole....and comes across as a typical blind and biased advocation towards drugs seen so often on this site.
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Well it depends on the person doesn't it tho raas. If you're Peter Sutcliffe then you enjoy clubbing women over the head while wearing a green v-neck over your legs. That won't suit everyone tho.

If you're a certain kind of person then psychedelics are worth checking out.

2 Corinthians 11:14

Just because a desert tribe wrote some stories down thousands of years ago doesn't mean we have to believe em tho. You need to be a certain kind of person to follow organised religion.
 
raas_2012 said:
yeah you got me here.... the meditation, thought process route is way more boring and I secretly WOULD like a heavy trip with lot's of cool hallucinations etc don't get me wrong...

But I don't trust the source of the drugs. It's like taking sweeties off a strange man you don't know.
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Is that how all drugs you've ever consumed come? You dont lab test everything and CRB check your dealers do you ;) you trust your heroin dealer, why??

Whats the difference?

@dan - get it done, you'll love it.. get yourself amongst some beautiful nature and the acid will do the rest.. if you love dmt its only natural, imo, you'll feel the same for acid.. maybe try alad first, haven't tried it myself but from reports its a little easier and shorter acting.. you dont seem the type to shy away. 100-150 mics should be nice, im sure you've read that under dosing can leave you feeling weird, id say closer to 150 for the first time to get the full experience but not to heavy...
 
ScotchMist said:
Is that how all drugs you've ever consumed come? You dont lab test everything and CRB check your dealers do you ;) you trust your heroin dealer, why??

Whats the difference?

@dan - get it done, you'll love it.. get yourself amongst some beautiful nature and the acid will do the rest.. if you love dmt its only natural, imo, you'll feel the same for acid.. maybe try alad first, haven't tried it myself but from reports its a little easier and shorter acting.. you dont seem the type to shy away. 100-150 mics should be nice, im sure you've read that under dosing can leave you feeling weird, id say closer to 150 for the first time to get the full experience but not to heavy...
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He's a strange one isn't he SM? Told me he doesn't do drugs no more. And I thought he was into meditation now all of a sudden it's boring n would like to trip yet earlier was coming down on sasha n BL for mourning him

Anyway, how are you SN?

Evey
 
He's most definitely I strange one, I like strange though :)

Im a bit meh, started my detox today, feel fine at the moment, its just the impending crap to come thats got me all moody. Im well armed for it though and feel ready to do it..

Ive got a lifetime of shit and regret or a week or so of feeling rough, no brainer really isnt it..

Hope you're good :)
 
I wouldn't have said psychedelics saved my life, nor ruined it either. This is probably the case for 99.99% of people who ever took them. The problem is that the people at the more extreme ends of the spectrum generally tend to be more vocal about it (eg on Erowid or in TR), which skews the statistics.
 
Eveleivibe said:
He's a strange one isn't he SM? Told me he doesn't do drugs no more. And I thought he was into meditation now all of a sudden it's boring n would like to trip yet earlier was coming down on sasha n BL for mourning him

Anyway, how are you SN?

Evey
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WTF...

Yesterday you told me "Good god how long do we have to put up with this hideous blacklight, I don't give a crap he died, MDMA is illegal"

fuck off. you're a blatant troll. jandrews was right.

Can you please do me a big favour and put me back on ignore and keep me there.

kthx
 
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roganjosh said:
I wouldn't have said psychedelics saved my life, nor ruined it either. This is probably the case for 99.99% of people who ever took them. The problem is that the people at the more extreme ends of the spectrum generally tend to be more vocal about it (eg on Erowid or in TR), which skews the statistics.
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Too bad they're also the ones that get picked up by most media and tend to also skew the general opinion on these things in the process
 
It's getting a bit tit for tat now....

If Evey did say it we didnt need to know Raas. ...

If you did say it Evey, well, its not a nice thing to say about anyone, let alone Shulgin... mdma wasnt illegal when he picked it up off the shelf and dusting it off. He changed culture. Im not saying you have to like him, why not learn a bit about him before you don't care that hes dead...
 
ScotchMist said:
It's getting a bit tit for tat now....

If Evey did say it we didnt need to know Raas. ...

If you did say it Evey, well, its not a nice thing to say about anyone, let alone Shulgin... mdma wasnt illegal when he picked it up off the shelf and dusting it off. He changed culture. Im not saying you have to like him, why not learn a bit about him before you don't care that hes dead...
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No I'm just pointing out the ridiculous hypocrisy, as it was her who called me out for apparently "coming down on bluelight for mourning Shulgin"
 
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Fair enough, lets all have some acid and see what we can learn from this =D

@ evey - do you think you'll try any other drugs in your lifetime? Ive seen you mention liking to try weed...
 
raas_2012 said:
WTF...

Yesterday you told me "Good god how long do we have to put up with this hideous blacklight, I don't give a crap he died, MDMA is illegal"

fuck off. you're a blatant troll. jandrews was right.

Can you please do me a big favour and put me back on ignore and keep me there.

kthx
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Yes I will gladly put you on ignore.... Mission accomplished :)

Evey
 
This ignore button is going to get broken the amount of clicking it's had of late, BL is charity funded so I doubt they can afford a new one ; (
 
@Raas: (Hi) I read you saying you tried a psychedelic, but then referred to charas. Now dope can be pretty psychedelic, but also quite dissociative and anxiogenic in high doses (and often pretty dark). I don't think its a fair comparison to some happy jolly phenethylamines or lsd which are a whole different ballgame (though obviously they can get dark if set/setting and appropriate dose aren't considered). A better comparison is mdma (if you've done that) - while the direct stimulation/euphoria from releasing serotonin/dopamine is not really there, the other key bit of mdma is serotonin agonism which is how psychs work - subtract the effects of amphetamine from mdma and what's left is at least the essence of classic psychedelic effects.

I personally don't think it balances between people who have life-changing and people who have life-ruining experiences (or between less extreme versions of both). In my experience the former outweigh the latter; and i thnk this would be even more pronounced if set/setting/starting small/appropriate dose were always adhered to.
 
nnDMT is the one for me, the most profound amazing molecule i have ever done , its so hard to come across it unless you make it yer self which apparently isnt that hard dmtnexus web site is full of recipes - a huge amount of plants contain it a certain type of acacia bark being one with the most in it. I had a g or so sent to me a couple of years ago from dying mate in the US it was pure and pure bliss. If you imagine acid being a skateboard spice(DMT) is a 1200cc Harley. Got some more last year but it wasnt as strong but you need to be careful with dosing as 20mg,50mg,70mg is hard to distinguish by eye sight and too much could freeeeek ya out if your not use to it
BTW it does loose its potency over time unless you are very careful how you keep it and even then i'm not sure if it doesn't chemically break down.
50mg and you are in a different universe - closed eyed visuals are the way most people go and 15m later your just about back to normal.
 
ScotchMist said:
I suspect, im sure ill be told that im wrong, that he does actually want to try them, however he's a little scared of what they may unlock... maybe they could crack the foundations of his belief system??
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You know, fascinatingly, at the age of 20 years old, I was just another idiot like the rest of you, trying various drugs to escape his dull life, with no religious beliefs at all...

AND IT WAS ON A PSYCHADELIC that unlocked the knowledge in my mind that Christianity was the true religion and there was truth in the bible. No jokes. I've mentioned this many times in the theo thread.

though this experience didn't convert me there and then, it was the starting step to becoming a born again Christian. So believe me, the subject of spirituality and drugs fascinates the hell out of me.


Vurtual said:
@Raas: (Hi) I read you saying you tried a psychedelic, but then referred to charas. Now dope can be pretty psychedelic, but also quite dissociative and anxiogenic in high doses (and often pretty dark). I don't think its a fair comparison to some happy jolly phenethylamines or lsd which are a whole different ballgame (though obviously they can get dark if set/setting and appropriate dose aren't considered). A better comparison is mdma (if you've done that) - while the direct stimulation/euphoria from releasing serotonin/dopamine is not really there, the other key bit of mdma is serotonin agonism which is how psychs work - subtract the effects of amphetamine from mdma and what's left is at least the essence of classic psychedelic effects.

I personally don't think it balances between people who have life-changing and people who have life-ruining experiences (or between less extreme versions of both). In my experience the former outweigh the latter; and i thnk this would be even more pronounced if set/setting/starting small/appropriate dose were always adhered to.
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parttime crackhead said:
Take a decent dose of LSD and you'll realise your charas (that you shoved up your butt if I remember correctly haha) was not psychedelic.
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I was a bigger weed smoker back in the day I've probably smoked it a thousand times, eaten it several times... and shoved it up my arse once, one very painful drunken night. but I've never experienced anything like this charas.

It might be that my spiritual progression is allowing me to make more use of the drug, or it may be a question of purity. I'm not sure. But I tripped madly on it.

I'm experienced with MDMA, MDA (n various combos) and mushrooms so got a fair idea to pass judgement on it
 
You know, fascinatingly, at the age of 20 years old, I was just another idiot like the rest of you, trying various drugs to escape his dull life, with no religious beliefs at all...
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Sweeping extremly judgemental statement.

If you feel we are all idiots and use drugs to escape? is this not contradictory? You used a drug and did not escape..you found a way right for you. I predominantly take drugs to enhance life not escape it, So your religious ephiphany came while you were on a drug trying to escape ..and instead you were found?

I do have a religious belief based on my own mistreatment, violence and indoctrination at the hands of the sisters at the convent school I attended.

Probably not one you would agree with.

However as a humanist and an agnostic it often seems to me that as long as we treat each other with MUTUAL respect, kindness, empathy, understanding and love and at all costs avoid bigotry, hatred, racism and homophobia that is a bloody good start.

Has becoming a born again christian fulfilled you raas? Sometimes I find your treatment here of others to be quite un-christian sometimes, this based on what I know of Christian ethics, ideology and morality. Do you think you are a good example of a christian? This is not intended to put your back up..genuine query and interested in your thoughts

I know this does not directly follow from the above post but can I ask you what you are searching for? What leaves you so so unfullfilled that you are trying to find something to plug that gap? Are you considering plugging that gap with drugs for your spiritual progression?

Is finding god not enough?

Wanna do a trip with me =D
 
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