The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine (MXE) Thread - Chapter 14

[isthisincognito]

One thing I've noticed this particularly with mxe.

If you feel a bit scatty during or after the trip, drink some water - It took me months to figure this out. During some trips I'd feel off, I couldn't explain it and then drinking a glass of water would just wash over me within several minutes and return me to mxe's creamy sensation.

Those descriptive words are probably not the best way to describe it, but I don't really know how else to say it. Hydration is important to the quality of the experience imo.

 

[ColtDan]

Yeah staying hydrated is key, without a doubt.

 

[I B Profane]

One thing I've noticed this particularly with mxe.

If you feel a bit scatty during or after the trip, drink some water - It took me months to figure this out. During some trips I'd feel off, I couldn't explain it and then drinking a glass of water would just wash over me within several minutes and return me to mxe's creamy sensation.

Those descriptive words are probably not the best way to describe it, but I don't really know how else to say it. Hydration is important to the quality of the experience imo.

Amen to that brother! Water is life. So many times ill be completely lost on dissociatives, something will feel really "off" and uncomfortable, then I realize that's my body's way of telling me it needs water. One glass of ice water later and I'm back to happy floaty spacey land. :D

And speaking of happy floaty spacey land...

Last night, for the first time since September, I got to indulge in the wonderful beautiful mysterious ultra sexy amazing compound known as mxe last night. As a full disclaimer I FUCKING LOVE THIS CHEM SO MUCH. Im sure other people here can related. I m-holed my tits off last night and I'm still afterglowin like a motherfucker.

MXE. Methoxetamine. What a lovely word. What a lovely chem. I believe the first time I tried this stuff was back in '11, I hadn't even taken K yet but was well versed enough in DXM to be familiar with the dissociative experience. After having my first good and proper mxe trip, I thought to myself "since this stuff exists, there is literally no reason to take DXM ever again."

I finally have mxe, and not just that but I have enough to kill like 3 Chinese elephants. With great power comes great responsibility tho. I indulged last night and will surely be taking more tonight when the SO gets here...and the insidious addictive nature of this chem tells me that, even tho I told myself I would use it once a week MAX, I somehow doubt that's happening....8(

Anyway, so the trip. I arrived at my buddy's place at 11pm to find 5 grams of mxe waiting for us. The mxe was crystalline and white with a VERY slight tan color. The consistency was similar to that of salt. I did a 5-10mg allergy test to make sure that what we had was the real deal and not some other chem, and that ~10mg or so gave me a nice mild dissociation, letting me know that not only did we have the real stuff, but we had the GOOD stuff. After almost a year of waiting, the mxe days have finally arrived...

I started off with a 40mg bump and then continued to dose in increments of ~20mg throughout the night, totaling around 100mg near the end. I don't know what to think of this batch...it is definitely the real deal, as far as quality goes well I'll just say that I have had better, but I have also had worse. This stuff is right in the middle and for some reason every mxe batch feels different to me, although there are so many factors that go into all of it its hard to really comment...like perhaps the residual etizolam I had in my system impacted the intensity of the trip to some degree, who's to say?

But still, a fun time was had. We ended up meeting with 3 other friends, we all got nice and mexxed out together, just shot the shit watching some adult swim off the air shit and smoking bong bowls and doing dabs. During my peak, moving, walking, and talking were all more or less impossible. I just sailed around the universe of my mind, recalling old memories long forgotten and making the most beautiful music in my head and having the most zen, introspective awesomely weird thoughts...as is typical for an mxe experience. Dear god I love this stuff.

Near the end, I somehow stumbled home (ha, walking was a fun challenge) and munched on some etizolam and got to sleep. I want to go into more detail than that but I feel like I've been rambling a lot already but just so my opinions are clear: mxe = the keys to the universe, the soma of our brave new world, the most spiritually enlightening meditatively zen dissociative on the planet, and one hell of a drug. I'll stop rambling so as to not sound like a crazy person (too late lol) and probably take a lil nap before my SO gets here, cuz I am SLEEPY and the etizolam I just munched are kicking in and I wanna make sure I get enough cumulative sleep before working tomorrow. I have a weird sleep schedule but I'll figure it out.

One last time: WOOOHOOO, MXE!!!!!!!!!!

 

[FlawedByDesign]

Going out with a bang!!!

I must say that my mxe ab(use) over the last several months has been downright embarassing. I've been using at least 100 mgs every night after work and probably 4 times that on my days off for over 3 months now. My solution was simply to consume every last bit of mxe in my possession. I'm talking about insufflating~1500 mgs of high quality product in less than three hours. I know that some of it may have been wasted but it was quite an experience to say the least. I entered a 4 hour hole in which I felt myself floating on my back in a river of darkness while lsitening to my william orbit/shpongle playlist and being passed over by various entities. I know this was a stupid idea and that if my tolerance was even slightly lower than it was, I could've been in serious trouble. Still, it was a cathardic experience to say the least. An hour or two after returning to my body some how talked myself into snorting 3mgs of DOC, after which I fell asleep for an hour and had some.very odd yet amazing dreams. Upon waking I sniffed an additional 3mgs of which led to a fun day full of beautiful visuals and an amazing head space. Again, I am simply sharing an experience and am in no way suggesting that anyone do anything similar.

 

[isthisincognito]

I must say that my mxe ab(use) over the last several months has been downright embarassing. I've been using at least 100 mgs every night after work and probably 4 times that on my days off for over 3 months now. My solution was simply to consume every last bit of mxe in my possession. I'm talking about insufflating~1500 mgs of high quality product in less than three hours. I know that some of it may have been wasted but it was quite an experience to say the least. I entered a 4 hour hole in which I felt myself floating on my back in a river of darkness while lsitening to my william orbit/shpongle playlist and being passed over by various entities. I know this was a stupid idea and that if my tolerance was even slightly lower than it was, I could've been in serious trouble. Still, it was a cathardic experience to say the least. An hour or two after returning to my body some how talked myself into snorting 3mgs of DOC, after which I fell asleep for an hour and had some.very odd yet amazing dreams. Upon waking I sniffed an additional 3mgs of which led to a fun day full of beautiful visuals and an amazing head space. Again, I am simply sharing an experience and am in no way suggesting that anyone do anything similar.

My MXE use spiralled out of control, and it was only when it was banned and the product I was supplied caused an allergic response that I gave up. It's a dangerous beast, something I yearn for even to this day. I've had an odd gram here or there but I'm now very careful.

Your experience sounds like you had a good time, even whilst probably not in the best mindset, So I'm glad for you.

Still, it was a cathardic experience to say the least.

Excuse my Ignorance, but what does cathardic mean?

 

[FlawedByDesign]

^i ment carthartic. I still recovering from this ordeal and am still a bit dumbed down. If you were truely asking what it means rather than making fun of my poor spelling, a carthartic experience is one that releases emothion from deep inside of a person.

 

[vortech]

The most striking aspect of MXE is its versatility, The spectrum of effects, especially when considering all of the different routes of administration, are so vast they appear paradoxical. If you want a profoundly stimulating experience, just tune your intentions to the channel that excites you. If you want to experience a state of supreme stillness, there's a channel for that too.
I’m fresh out of a low dose IV session with intentions for stillness and meditation. Wow, the sense of peace and clarity! This is in contrast to sessions that have had the polar opposite effect- stimulating and confusing! With MXE it’s all about set setting and intentions.
There is profound therapeutic potential in drug-assisted psychotherapy to be explored here. The malleability of the effects continues to astonish me.

 

[ColtDan]

^ Spot on

 

[psood0nym]

The most striking aspect of MXE is its versatility, The spectrum of effects, especially when considering all of the different routes of administration, are so vast they appear paradoxical.

In my opinion this aspect, along with numerous others, can be marshaled into an argument that MXE is probably the best all-around recreational substance ever made. By "best" I mean that it has more preferred qualities across domains than any other recreational drug I know of. These include the following virtues:

1. Subjective variation by dose/ROA, making it suitable for both recreational use and mind exploration (versatility)
2. Orally active
3. Apparently not physiologically dangerous within common dosage ranges, nor does it appear to cause appreciable physiological damage/lasting cognitive impairment even with semi-frequent use (at least within limits)
4. Potent enough to be cheap, but impotent and forgiving enough that the irresponsible can usually eyeball doses without ending up in the hospital
5. Doesn't burn mucus membranes
6. The physical material is not sticky or staticy, nor is it prone to absorbing humidity from the air
7. Appears to be chemically stable
8. Though it is highly psychologically addictive, it doesn't appear to be physically addictive at normal doses/frequencies of use
9. Though it does induce tolerance, the degree to which it does so is substantially less than its closest common comparison, ketamine
10. Water soluble
11. Duration is long enough to be satisfying but not so long it's tiresome, and sleep is usually possible near the end of it
12. Apparently not dangerously contraindicated with any other drug

 

[zzz101]

yeap i agree. nice list. after quitting most drugs for a year i got into mxe, because it doesn't feel bad for me. it has so far(over a year or so?), been one of the best recreational drugs - as long as you keep you usage in good control.

fucking I missed the old / first era mxe batches, has the true mxe magic. you can get some good stuff now, just not as good as back then. like with meph

 

[Folley]

I hate the idea of "pre-ban" drugs.. nothing is different about the drug, the only thing that's changed after a year of continuous use is your tolerance.

 

[zzz101]

I don't disagree because tolerance does effect it. taking the drug isn't going to be as good as the first few months or a dozen times were. happens with pretty much every drug.
i tried the old stuff that a friend mistakenly stored away & found a couple big-sized baggies sitting snug between a big dictionary book pages. you can really tell the difference. (more magic) just my opinion. even with a small tolerance i can tell the difference when i go back between them.

 

[ColtDan]

I hate the idea of "pre-ban" drugs.. nothing is different about the drug, the only thing that's changed after a year of continuous use is your tolerance.

Compare the pre ban meph with the meph around now...

 

[psood0nym]

Compare the pre ban meph with the meph around now...

I hate the idea of "pre-ban" drugs.. nothing is different about the drug, the only thing that's changed after a year of continuous use is your tolerance.

The prevalence of underhanded tactics in the black market relative to the gray market make me think there's likely to be greater variance in the composition of what's sold as the same drug when it's handled by the former than by the latter. However, this is true to a far greater degree for the likes of extremely popular drugs like mephedrone, which sometimes sells as an alternative to coke or meth and for which a significant profit motive exists to cut it with cheaper chemicals, than it is for niche products like MXE that are still cheaply available in pure form from many gray market sources. It's natural to seek an explanation for the quality of an experience in the compositional quality of a drug itself rather than in the complex, invisible, or entirely subconscious influences of our bodies. Occasionally, like with the possible PCC impurity in 4-MeO-PCP, this explanation is actually justifiable. But I think the root of Folley's frustration is in seeing such rationalizations made to explain strong responses to EVERY DRUG EVER, an explanation that's undeniably often wrong despite the confidence of those making the claims.

The "inherent differences" explanation is rarely applicable because it requires that proposed synthesis impurities (say 10 to 20% of product weight) are, by unlikely chance, both potent at dosages lower than the intended drug and malignantly psychoactive enough to spoil the overall effects. Users often point out that one "batch" has larger shards, or a slightly different color, but all sorts of things can cause these differences that have next to no necessary consequences for purity percentages or impacts on what a double-blind assessment of the psychological reactions to a drug might pick up. Yet such surface differences prime user expectations, become self-fulfilling, and thereby "confirm" these beliefs.

Misinformed rationalizations about the quality of drugs can also be harmful because they give users a way to position the source of their bad or mediocre drug experience outside of themselves (in the drug, or far more incredibly with the good intentions put into its creation/acquisition or the tainting effect of a vendor's "bad vibes" -- both examples of natural but often inaccurate intuitions about "sympathetic magic," which is a type of metaphysical explanation hunter gatherers have historically used to rationalize their belief in hexes and mystical potions). If drug users were more skeptical of such notions they might find motivation to prepare more consciously, better moderate their use to lower tolerance and effect a better experience, invest $40 in a damned mg scale so they know about how much they're using, and simply have a good time more reliably. So much deferring to different batches for explanations is frustrating not just because it's usually unjustified, but because it arguably reinforces perceptions that undermine self-improvement and harm reduction efforts.

 

[I B Profane]

UPDATE on the further adventures of I B Profane the guinea pig's self-experimentation with this whacky compound they call methoxetamine...(like anyone cares, lol)

So, I was a bit naughty with my mxe this past weekend. When I ordered it I explicitly told myself "no more than once a week or so" but after I got it I went on a 3 day binge (not all day every day, just nightly.)

It's insidously addictive, as others have mentioned. I guess the last time I had a large amount (a year or so) I was only using it once or twice a week tops. I would use it when I didn't have work the next day, and limit my use to those occasions. But now that I have infinity etizolams, I can use those for sleep, so it's easier to justify using it on a nightly basis.

I used it three nights in a row. The first night was with four other friends. The next two nights were with my SO. It was her first dissociative experience (other than low dose dxm) and she loved it! We watched episodes of Rick and Morty (that show is PERFECT for mxe), she'd never seen the show either which makes it that much better. We kept bumping it until we could no longer make any sense of what we were watching, and lied down in the darkness, cuddling with some soft music playing. Sailing thru the m-hole (or whatever you like to call a high dose mxe experience) together, our bodies merging into one :D

Bad thing is when I'm peaking, I can't get a boner for shit. Actually, if the dose is where I like it to be, at the peak I'm not really capable of doing anything at all I wish it was possible to have sex on this stuff tho. Ah well, nothing's perfect.

But yeah anyway so I did it 3 nights in a row and I was going to use it a fourth night, but my SO got a splitting migraine (weed barely helped, etizolam helped a lot) and she fell asleep right after the tiz kicked in and I figured "eh, tonight's not the night" even tho I REALLY wanted to.

Now I'm sitting in my room, bored and resisting the temptation to take more. This stuff, as plenty of people have pointed out, is simply too good. It's way too easy to function on. For example, despite my binge I noticed not one negative or unpleasant side effect (other than peeing a lot during the trip) and showed up to work the following days in an extemely calm, zen state of mind that didn't impair my work ability, and actually helped it a significant degree.

I got a buddy coming to crash tonight so it's highly doubtful that ill indulge but the possibility is still there. The next day I have dinner with my parents...basically I'm trying to do stuff to distract me from using mxe, cuz left to my own devices ill just sit around and use it all day. It is amazing, I'm on a phone and can't even explain all the reasons I love this substance, this b&d thread does a nice job of summing it up.

But I should maybe have a friend hold onto it for me. I really don't wanna lose the magic with this one (as I have with MDMA and such.) I also would like to keep my tolerance down, and save it for special occasions like shows or my one day a week off...

Despite its addictive properties, especially when you have a large quantity laying around, mxe is still the best drug ever.

 

[vortech]

Bad thing is when I'm peaking, I can't get a boner for shit. Actually, if the dose is where I like it to be, at the peak I'm not really capable of doing anything at all I wish it was possible to have sex on this stuff tho. Ah well, nothing's perfect.

Yeah cuddling is more practical at higher doses and peaks. At lower doses sex is definitely sustainable though.

Now I'm sitting in my room, bored and resisting the temptation to take more. This stuff, as plenty of people have pointed out, is simply too good. It's way too easy to function on. For example, despite my binge I noticed not one negative or unpleasant side effect (other than peeing a lot during the trip) and showed up to work the following days in an extremely calm, zen state of mind that didn't impair my work ability, and actually helped it a significant degree.

I agree for the most part. I experience one side effect though on a binge come down that I could rather do without, a residual stimulation that can produce *slightly* uncomfortable waves, but it is mitigated as you said through a calm, zen state of mind. I prefer even-toned down-tempo music with a consistent beat to help keep my energy contained during that phase.

 

[GumbyClaymation]

Insomnia?

I tried to UTFSE, and found some hits on MXE and insomnia, but nothing really that specific. I've been using MXE for a few of years now, but sparingly. Probably been through three grams in those couple of years. What I've found lately is that it keeps me up ALL night. I'll typically dose between 630 and 8pm at around 100+ mg. (This somewhat higher dose is not due to tolerance from using frequently, I am an unfortunate "hard-head" with virtually everything). I only dose once for a night - no redosing. A dose like that will give effects for a few hours, but I will feel the primary effects wear off, and not be able to sleep all night. I may lay in bed for 6 or 8 hours and get absolutely zero sleep. It happens every time.
Does this happen to others? Again, in my search, I see a few mentions of insomnia here or there, but not like this. The only way I sleep is if I take some etizolam after dosing. I didn't notice this happening to me the first few months that I tried it, so did something change in my brain? My frequency of dosing has varied from no more than once a week, to every two or three months.
I have a hard time pointing to product purity. I've purchased from multiple sources over multiple years. Places people trust and give good reviews about the product. I've even gone so far as to give some of a couple batches away and get those recipients to tell me how their experiences was - and they found it fine with no weird insomnia.
I would really appreciate it if someone could postulate on what might be going on with my brain chemistry. Secondarily, are there any good solutions to this, or is this chemical just not/no longer for me? I have, at times, gone several months abstaining, with no change in these types of effects after I try a dose after the wait. I've always found MXE to be someone mild for me, even at the 100+ mg doses, but that seems to be common for me - drugs just don't have a strong effect on me - which makes the 12 hour insomnia thing even more puzzling.


Thanks.

 

[ColtDan]

The only way I sleep is if I take some etizolam after dosing.

Same. or valium, etc, cant sleep without it on MXE otherwise

 

[vortech]

dose like that will give effects for a few hours, but I will feel the primary effects wear off, and not be able to sleep all night. I may lay in bed for 6 or 8 hours and get absolutely zero sleep. It happens every time.
Does this happen to others?

yeah thats the 'residual stimulation' that I just mentioned in my last post. You aren't alone in that side effect, and I've found that when I dose 100mg in a night on the first day after a tolerance break, I also can't sleep for 8-12 hours. That's only the first night though. If I dose the next day or up to a few days after that, the residual stimulation is such that I can sleep after 4 hours. Functionally, I prefer the effects of MXE with a mild to moderate tolerance because of the diminished side effects.

 

[GumbyClaymation]

yeah thats the 'residual stimulation' that I just mentioned in my last post. You aren't alone in that side effect, and I've found that when I dose 100mg in a night on the first day after a tolerance break, I also can't sleep for 8-12 hours. That's only the first night though. If I dose the next day or up to a few days after that, the residual stimulation is such that I can sleep after 4 hours. Functionally, I prefer the effects of MXE with a mild to moderate tolerance because of the diminished side effects.

Thanks for the reply. I'll have to experiment around with the tolerance thing you mentioned. I wonder if I could take several days of subthreshold doses leading up to a planned experiment to avoid the residual stimulation altogether?