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Benzos forced taper

butcher22

butcher22

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i only take 10mg of valium once a day most of the time which i know is nothing compared to a lot of benzo addicts, but if i dont i feel fucking terrible and anxious. im not sure how much of that is from withdraw and how much is just me because i have GAD anyway. i think i am going to be running out soon before i can get more again. considering that i am not popping like 10 pills a day do you with it would be safe for me to start taking only 1/4 of a 10mg pill each day until i can get more? and any tips for dealing with the anxiety that i know is going to hit me hard.
 
also, i feel bad for being such a pussy about this because i know there are much harder benzo addicts than i who probably look at 10mg of diazapam a day like its a flintstone vitamin. i still worry like a motherfucker about the panic attacks because i sometimes lose total control of my body and am like a fish out of water flapping around on the couch or just pace the floor for days like a lion. i'm not too afraid of dying from withdrawal, im more afraid of the panic attacks
 
are you the person who also has a huge drinking problem also. I just remember reading a post that has the same avatar if it is you the panic attacks are more likely to be withdrawal of booze and not 10mg of Diaz. If Its not you then I apologize.Exercise is good for treating panic attacks the more healthy the body the more health the mind. Also try and keep doing something sitting around doing nothing wont help ease you panic attacks also ask you doctor for some Propranolol. That might help keep your panic attacks in check
 
Yeah, it's mainly GAD, diazepam has a short duration of action, and that's a small dose anyway.

Yeah, you could go down to 2.5-5mg, I'd take it at night.

I hate to say this, but don't run out of alcohol, that would be bad losing both at once.
 
10mg a day isn't much but you will definitely notice it if it's not there and you have had it continuously for a while. You'll notice the drop to 2.5mg but if it's what you have to do then it's what you have to do.

I'm down to 25mg from 200mg but I reckon I would notice it if someone took 7.5mg off my daily dose (which is kind of going to happen, I'll be having 5mg taken off at some point soon).

If you have to drop to 2.5mg then do it but you will notice some light withdtawal symtoms for sure. Nothing serious likely but anxiety is definitely going to be one and I wouldn't be surprised if yu got the shivers a bit but I wouldn't expect much more than that.
 
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are you the person who also has a huge drinking problem also. I just remember reading a post that has the same avatar if it is you the panic attacks are more likely to be withdrawal of booze and not 10mg of Diaz. If Its not you then I apologize.Exercise is good for treating panic attacks the more healthy the body the more health the mind. Also try and keep doing something sitting around doing nothing wont help ease you panic attacks also ask you doctor for some Propranolol. That might help keep your panic attacks in check
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i appreciate the advice but i have had panic attacks for almost a decade and exercise is good for mild anxiety but when you have a full blown panic attack exercise is just training your brain that "yes, there is something to run from" and makes each one worse. yes i am an alcoholic but i never stop drinking so that is unlikely
 
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Lorne??? said:
Yeah, it's mainly GAD, diazepam has a short duration of action, and that's a small dose anyway.

Yeah, you could go down to 2.5-5mg, I'd take it at night.

I hate to say this, but don't run out of alcohol, that would be bad losing both at once.
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i agree. everyone tells me not to drink when i run out but thats the only thing that keeps me sane
 
i basically needed reassurance that im on a low enough dosage that i wont die from the withdrawal and you guys gave me that, so thanks. ill just tough it out
 
butcher22 said:
i basically needed reassurance that im on a low enough dosage that i wont die from the withdrawal and you guys gave me that, so thanks. ill just tough it out
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Well alcohol withdrawal could certainly kill you, that is if your truly dependent on it, but you'd have to be drinking fucking constantly, like not everyday constantly, but literally constantly, where you wake up and constantly consume alcohol.

But alcohol and benzo WD are similar, so they will exacerbate each other.
 
Hey Butcher 22 I too am having a bad day ordered 50 graams of red Pl Kratom made tea 7 grams no effect tossed and washed another 5 grams and still nothing. made a tea out of 30 grams drank that and was fine for an hour or so. Had something to eat and started to sweat then started to puke. I had pinned eyes but that was it really a bit stim effects at firsrt. Iits now 530pm and did this at 6am. So I have been feeling crappy all day. I took 4mg of Etizalam at 2 so managed some sleep just woke up now and still feel like shit. The stuff I ordered online was a red/brown colour in the picture anyway. The Kratom in the post was dark green. Fucking vendor bullshtit wont be using them again
 
Lorne??? said:
Well alcohol withdrawal could certainly kill you, that is if your truly dependent on it, but you'd have to be drinking fucking constantly, like not everyday constantly, but literally constantly, where you wake up and constantly consume alcohol.

But alcohol and benzo WD are similar, so they will exacerbate each other.
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yeah. i wake up shaking and dont feel well until i have had about 4 beers, but i never stop there because i want to prolong that feeling of normality and confidence. i mean, i could fucking kill any interview after 5 beers so long as they dont smell my breath. i used to only drink hard liquor and switching to beer wasnt easy but beer makes me nicer, i stomped a dudes face so many times at a bar a while back that i had blood splattered on my pants up to my knees. its still on my combat boots. i wont wash them. im not sure why because i am not proud of what happened but i dont want to wash the blood off still. the good news is he was a fat fucker who belongs to a local biker gang and they have green lighted me haha. fuck em. and fuck my rambling. sorry. i am not mentally stable even sober so my mind is always all over the place
 
Lorne??? said:
Yeah, it's mainly GAD, diazepam has a short duration of action, and that's a small dose anyway.

Yeah, you could go down to 2.5-5mg, I'd take it at night.

I hate to say this, but don't run out of alcohol, that would be bad losing both at once.
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Actually diazepam has a longer DOA than most other bz's. Its metabolite,nor-diazepam,is also an active agonist that contributes to its therapeutic/recreational effects. That's why it's the DOC in tapering off the faster,more abusable/addictive short-acting bz's like Xanax and Halcion. I'd suggest taking half your daily dose as usual and if you can't sleep then try taking benadryl and see if that helps. IMO splitting doses in this case would just make your body get used to expecting it twice a day. Stick to once a day dosing with tapering and Benadryl for sleep issues before giving into a small amount(2.5mg.) of diaz. to catch some z's. It's a small enough dose that shouldn't be that hard to kick or tolerate till you get more.
 
MMT said:
Actually diazepam has a longer DOA than most other bz's. Its metabolite,nor-diazepam,is also an active agonist that contributes to its therapeutic/recreational effects. That's why it's the DOC in tapering off the faster,more abusable/addictive short-acting bz's like Xanax and Halcion. I'd suggest taking half your daily dose as usual and if you can't sleep then try taking benadryl and see if that helps. IMO splitting doses in this case would just make your body get used to expecting it twice a day. Stick to once a day dosing with tapering and Benadryl for sleep issues before giving into a small amount(2.5mg.) of diaz. to catch some z's. It's a small enough dose that shouldn't be that hard to kick or tolerate till you get more.
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thanks bro, or ma'am, whichever the case may be
 
holy shit. i think i found the answer. i havent smoked weed in some time because both of my dealers moved and the only other ones i know are shady as fuck. anyways, i just found my old bowl in an altoids tin that i havent seen in like a year or two. it still have an ancient bowl packed and i smoked it and i feel great. my anxiety, clammy hands, thoughts of dread and death, all that shit is gone. weed is what will get me through this shit and my anxiety in general. and drinking less
 
MMT said:
Actually diazepam has a longer DOA than most other bz's. Its metabolite,nor-diazepam,is also an active agonist that contributes to its therapeutic/recreational effects. That's why it's the DOC in tapering off the faster,more abusable/addictive short-acting bz's like Xanax and Halcion. I'd suggest taking half your daily dose as usual and if you can't sleep then try taking benadryl and see if that helps. IMO splitting doses in this case would just make your body get used to expecting it twice a day. Stick to once a day dosing with tapering and Benadryl for sleep issues before giving into a small amount(2.5mg.) of diaz. to catch some z's. It's a small enough dose that shouldn't be that hard to kick or tolerate till you get more.
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Shhhhh..don't tell him that. He said valium is extremely short acting. That's the reason us benzo addicts are treated with it once to twice daily lol.to maintain on xanax u need 2 -4 solid doses per day to avoid withdrawal. 100 mgs of valium Keeps me outta withdrawal longer then any other benzo of an Equivalent dose(and did so before I used it chronically) Its the methadone of benzos...but has a short duration of action?Any Bzd addict would call bullshit on that
 
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I just have to. Ask Lorne???....are u heavily dependant physically on bzds like alot of us here?just à question
 
And to the op....no one should ever be FORCED to taper from benzodiazepines ever. That's Bzd dependence 101
 
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