EADD Theology Megathread - Book II - Exodus

[ColtDan]

Fuckin ell man... my 45 mins each way journey was bad enough

1 mins onwards... love this... proper hip hop

Binary Star - Reality Check

 

[mydrugbuddy]

It was just as quick to cycle the 5 miles to work as to drive it during the rush hour, the only good thing about the early starts was that the roads were so quiet and if the traffic lights complied (or sometimes fuck 'em if nothing was coming) i could get to work in about 10 minutes, compared to the half hour - 40 minutes it took during rush hour.

 

[ColtDan]

Mine was 27 miles... 45 mins adverage... did it in 25 mins once when i was late, picked my work mate up every morning... he was holding on for dear life haha. quiet twisty hilly A and B roads, got to work and my brakes were half cooked, stinking

 

[swampdragon]

Pft, my commute used to take about 45 minutes to go 10 miles. Woo for rush hour

But some people just really really like buttsex. Who are you, or your book, to tell them that is wrong?

And why is it that the threads I always avoid end up with the best discussions? I should have learned by now.

 

[BecomingJulie]

This has been discussed on here before. The snake was the good guy. God was the sneaky, evil one.

You could also stretch jehova and the serpent to be based on Enlil and Enki from sumeria - enki (a bit of a trickster god) freed the people enlil had created as worker slaves by giving them the knowledge of good/evil (that might be a bit paraphrased...).

Well, when you put it that way around, it makes a lot more sense. It takes a certain mentality to regard half a life -- being kept in such a state of ignorance that you don't even know how things could be better -- as preferrable to freedom. Yes, it's hard work taking responsibility for your own actions; but it's so much more interesting than being kept in a walled garden and not even knowing there was anything beyond it. In the same way as how a universe that doesn't require a God to have created it in the first place or intervene to keep it going is more interesting than one that did.

Of course, for many people, "interesting" is a bit too close to "scary" or "icky" .....

Lots of paralells/plaigiarism between babylonian/sumerian myths and the bible (eg Noah/gilgamesh, moses/hammurabi's laws, seven days of creation matching the tablets of the enuma elish creation myth etc). Unsurprising considering the jews were living in exile in babylon for ages just before they wrote most of the early torah, and pretty uncontroversial among bible historiographers (is it the second isiah?).

I might have to do some reading on Sumerian mythology. Then I will read Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash again.

 

[Vurtual]

...I might have to do some reading on Sumerian mythology. Then I will read Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash again.

It's fascinating stuff (and assyrian and babylonian), and there are definite parallels with the torah, though these are often overstated in internet land - and to the zecharia sitchin extreme of 'obviously being about spacemen'; You can read snippets of them that way with a bit of effort (and mistranslation), which is fun, but when you read the whole passages, they're so obviously myths in format (ie anthropomorphised cosmology and just so stories).

Same trouble with the ancient aliens thing generally in regards to religion/mythology imo - a shallow understanding of the role of myths and archetypes, and not understanding the obvious point about gods needing to be god-like to be gods at all (and therefore eg to be able to explain why the sun rises), rather than this being cos they're aliens. (er i suppose this is theology to an annunaki-ite)

/i tried to like snow crash, but only read it a few years ago and found it a bit too dated technologically to get into (can't even remember if i finished it...)

 

[Raasyvibe]

FFS hip-hop youtube links in here? Dan go back to the gibberings, mate. This thread is far too holy for you.

But some people just really really like buttsex. Who are you, or your book, to tell them that is wrong?

Your religions whole patter is about setting people up to fail. So God can laugh his mad wee head off while they burn in hell.

Why did got make buttsex so much fun, if he didn't want people to do it?

Some people find the idea of shagging animals much fun, some people find the idea of shagging dead people fun. Doesn't necessarily mean it's all good.

He's given us choice of free will. This means you can explore whatever fetish takes your fancy, if you really like. But there is right and wrong, and the bible is there to help identify the wrong. God allows us to act true to ourselves and ignore him if we wish... but this means facing the inevitable repercussions. I guess life's a learning process, but some people like to learn the hard way. (No nec. jokes, please)




There's a spirituality behind love. Many ideas of "love" are delusional, or illusional even and stem from psychological complex's:~ for instance desires for esteem, self-perception and how the relationship we form with others effects this. Fear, anger or jealousy can be precursors to sexual desire.

What we're trying to do, is surpass and break through the illusionary misperceptions of these desires which stem from falsely held beliefs and differentiate between them and genuine spiritual connections. Love being a true understanding and appreciation of the other partner.

These spiritual connections do not take place in a homosexual form according to the bible. I agree with this.


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Just to come out with something a little different for the thread. I have a genuine case here of what might be considered an example of mediumship, related to this very site. I did mention this in gibberings before, but as it's religiously themed and quite interesting i'll put it here also:





A couple of weeks before KNOCK died, I had a vivid dream about him. In the dream it was my "Last ever chance to talk to him"... and I felt it was a good time to talk about "God and religion"... pressing the issue as it was an important time to do it.

Then, after he actually died I was shocked at how relevant the dream was, it was a clear premonition alluding to his death. The dream revealed to me it was not worth discussing God before he died.

This may sound like bullshit, but I can actually PROVE it. Coz after waking from the dream, I wrote about it in Gibberings here.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...-Unplugged?p=12214675&viewfull=1#post12214675 - the date is just before his actual death.





Maybe considered a coincy-dink? I don't think it is. Anyway, I thought it was better to make such a freaky dream public than forget about it.

 

[parttime crackhead]

Ok so, as I think someone else already mentioned, why do you pick the "No bum fun" rule and stand by that so strongly when there are plenty of other similar silly rules that you don't seem to care about. I assume you wear clothes with mixed fabrics? Fish on a Friday?

Can someone with more bible knowledge than me skelp up a list of all the mental rules and we'll see how many Raas cares about? Not simply to be a dick, although that is part of it, but the homophobic christian has always fascinated me. It's like they say "Oh well, it's not my fault. The bible says so, so I must obey" yet they patch all the other stupid shit it says. Almost as though they pick the bits that fit their own prejudices...

It's a bad day when you're less progressive than the pope (the grand-wizard of religious evil) Raas. You should have a think about that.

 

[pinkpapaver]

Yes indeed you will find many of the rules newly made up with a tenuous link to the book.
For all my bible bashing i love a bitof jesus. There are some good and useful stories in there. It is the
Organised religion thats bad.
I like the prodigal son. I can feel a prodigal son moment coming in my family pretty soon.
" but shes been a dirty bag head all these years dad. Dont give her a crumb off your plate"
I think id like it to be a fattened goat that gets the chop.
Oh yeah. The kingdom of god is within you and the truth is there for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. Yes there is good sruff and boring stuff that has been misintetpreted.
Did i tell yez that st patrick was sent to get rid of the druids also known as snake priests from ireland.
Im getting angry because of yhe lies.

 

[Sammy G]

Raas is going to spin out the usual 'the Old Covenant was superseded by the new, except for the bits that suit us or don't embarrass us' spiel.

So let's begin with Leviticus. Here are some things which the Book of Leviticus explicitly forbids:


• Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (11:27)

• Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10)

• Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)

• Cross-breeding animals (19:19)

• Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)

• Getting a 'round haircut' or trimming your beard (19:27)

• Getting tattoos (19:28 )

• Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)

• Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)

• Selling land permanently (25:23)


There are plenty more, by the way. Most of the above were apparently punishable by death, which would indicate that they're at least as important (and therefore relevant) as the holy decree against gayness.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Oooft, looks like I woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning haha

Edit - For the record, I have no idea if buttsex is fun or not lol. I just assume that it must be.

You should experiement.


Frankly, as far as I'm concerned organised religion can all get to fuck. It's just a method off supressing people and leeching from them. Particularly Christianity and Islam, they're both evil abominations that are a stain on humanity. I'm indifferent towards most others but there's always extremists somewhere using them as an excuse to be violent pricks .

If people want to have their own personal beliefs then I have nothing against that but as soon as you start bringing scripture in to it there's always some prick willing to use it to justify being a dickhead.

 

[Vurtual]

...There's a spirituality behind love. Many ideas of "love" are delusional, or illusional even and stem from psychological complex's:~ for instance desires for esteem, self-perception and how the relationship we form with others effects this. Fear, anger or jealousy can be precursors to sexual desire.

What we're trying to do, is surpass and break through the illusionary misperceptions of these desires which stem from falsely held beliefs and differentiate between them and genuine spiritual connections. Love being a true understanding and appreciation of the other partner.

These spiritual connections do not take place in a homosexual form according to the bible. I agree with this...

You're right to distinguish the different types of love, as all cultures already do, but they are all variations of the same love (i define love as anything that isn't fear). I'd say you're dead wrong if you think "a true understanding and appreciation of the other partner" can't include homosexuals and i pity you for that because you're missing part of 'god's picture'.

"These spiritual connections do not take place in a homosexual form according to the bible. I agree with this..." The bible says it so you agree with it wiht no other reason? What about your own god-given judgement? Do you really perceive that love between man and woman in all its variability is any differen than between homosexuals? That's bananas frankly - how could you possibly see into the interior of people's innermost feelings when you've never even experienced man-love yourself? Look up some Rimbaud (or Sappho) and get some lessons in love...

Jesus said love your enemy like yourself - what type of love was that? Can homosexuals at least have that? What about the love between homosexual black swans who mate for life?

Would jesus have turned away practising homosexuals from joining his little troop of outlaws? (i mean lets face it, hanging around with mostly sailors with a couple of fag hags... jk)

I can appreciate that there are some lovely messages throughout the bible, but it takes some judgement to seperate the wheat from the chaff i reckon. But it seems to me to maintain the infallibility of the entire bible as a whole or even just the whole NT takes some real effort and mental gymnastics. Surely you could concentrate on the important bits of jesus' message if you didn't have to jump through all these mental hoops? (plenty of respectably christian christians have this sort of understanding (eg rowan williams)

 

[ColtDan]

Are you talking bollocks again raas

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

I love religion in that it is indeed the opium of the masses and provides salvation for the insecure and scared, and the whole concept of religious beliefs is incredibly interesting, but it is undeniable that the course of history has shown that it is also the most evil and destructive of concepts to have graced humanity.

 

[Vurtual]

...but it is undeniable that the course of history has shown that it is also the most evil and destructive of concepts to have graced humanity.

I think you have to blame specific groups of humans for that evil stuff not some varied body of ideas - people pick and choose what fits what they want to do/think; most/all the evil can only be done with some twisting of the actual messages involved (which largely start out 'nice'). Economic/imperialistic factors explain the nastiness better for me. And what about the 20th century where most of the evil happened, under athiest or secular technocratic systems (nazi germany, stalin, US)

I do agree that personal spirituality is the valuable bit, and the organised religion bit is as much statecraft as spirituality i think

 

[ColtDan]

I love religion in that it is indeed the opium of the masses and provides salvation for the insecure and scared, and the whole concept of religious beliefs is incredibly interesting, but it is undeniable that the course of history has shown that it is also the most evil and destructive of concepts to have graced humanity.

Beautifully written

 

[Sammy G]

And what about the 20th century where most of the evil happened, under athiest or secular technocratic systems (nazi germany, stalin, us)

A very important observation, and one which the devout atheist boneheads tend to gloss over. Along with organised religion's central, even pivotal role in securing many of the 'freedoms' we take for granted today.

Beautifully written

Have you been at the drugs again?

 

[ColtDan]

Not yet haha

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

I could do with some fabric softener advice tbh. I just use those persil things you thow in the washing wachine but it doesn't make me want to do that to my clothes.

 

[swampdragon]

Do people actually use fabric softener (other than Jesus)?