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EADD Theology Megathread - Book II - Exodus

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raas_2012 said:
...Positive: Worry free existence. Everything happens for a reason, if evil/suffering occurs then it is for reasons of greater good... No fears of dying, or what happens when we die.

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No the "rules" are all very practical. There is method in why sexual relations are perverse and wrong and why homosexuality is wrong. The bible teaches of abstinence not just for the sake of it, but because it's genuinely wrong. The bible only purports the truth.
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Hey did you know you're a stoic Raas? That first bit is pretty much stoical philosophy (as parodied by voltaire's pangloss "all's to the best in this the best of all possible worlds")

Have you read any? (eg marcus aurelius) - it's got a lot of crossover to christianity (not accidentally).

Maybe you could apply your stoicism to the question of sexuality. Are you saying that all sexuality is perverse? That's pretty perverse in itself - is it perverse in all animals and plants or just in humans? Homosexuality of various sorts (loving or otherwise) is common in the animal kingdom (many animals have similar rates as humans - sheep are particularly high) - is that all evil or is it only when humans do it? (i too thought you were a better christian than this - maybe i haven't been paying attention)
 
BecomingJulie said:
He wasn't much nicer to Adam and Eve, though, was he? That whole Garden of Eden business is a classic set-them-up-to-fail scenario. Adam and Eve are the original Patsys. Bear in mind that neither of them has tasted the forbidden fruit yet, so they don't know right from wrong. Therefore, when they get told both not to eat the fruit that will show them the difference and to eat the fruit, logic dictates they're going to wind up letting someone down.

Anyway, we only got the story up to the turning point, not the what-ifs. If Hissing Sid hadn't delivered the goods, God might well have come up with another more cunning plan to get his victims to take the bait.
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This has been discussed on here before. The snake was the good guy. God was the sneaky, evil one.
 
ColtDan said:
They should have, but sadly didnt

Maybe if/when religion dies out, homophobia will die out with it
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You have a point, Dan. I don't like religion myself. I have my faith yes. Faith and religion are different. To often "religion" is used as a way of causing wars, hatred, bigotry and so on.... A lot of wars throughout time are based on religion or stereotype (scapegoat) towards a religion of people. For instance, Hitler using the getting rid of the Jews as a way of cutting down the unemployment lists when he became chancellor in 1933.
(I've probably phrased that all wrong but ah f 'tis too late in the day lol)

Evey
 
I believe in spirituality and everything... and see no need for religion. Paganism or agnostic or something
 
parttime crackhead said:
This has been discussed on here before. The snake was the good guy. God was the sneaky, evil one.
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Yay gnosticism! That demiurge was a baddun ;)

You could also stretch jehova and the serpent to be based on Enlil and Enki from sumeria - enki (a bit of a trickster god) freed the people enlil had created as worker slaves by giving them the knowledge of good/evil (that might be a bit paraphrased...).

Lots of paralells/plaigiarism between babylonian/sumerian myths and the bible (eg Noah/gilgamesh, moses/hammurabi's laws, seven days of creation matching the tablets of the enuma elish creation myth etc). Unsurprising considering the jews were living in exile in babylon for ages just before they wrote most of the early torah, and pretty uncontroversial among bible historiographers (is it the second isiah?).
 
Vurtual said:
Are you saying that all sexuality is perverse? That's pretty perverse in itself - is it perverse in all animals and plants or just in humans? Homosexuality of various sorts (loving or otherwise) is common in the animal kingdom (many animals have similar rates as humans - sheep are particularly high) - is that all evil or is it only when humans do it? (i too thought you were a better christian than this - maybe i haven't been paying attention)
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ColtDan said:
Maybe if/when religion dies out, homophobia will die out with it
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Eveleivibe said:
Homosexuality is not wrong at all. I thought attitudes like that died a long time ago?
This is exactly why I have faith but I don't follow any religion. There's a lot of hypocrisy involved.
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Sammy G said:
Hang on. So you're saying you agree with the Bible's teachings against homosexuality and you think being gay is intrinsically, demonstrably 'wrong'? You don't strike me as the type.
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I think we need to clarify the religious stance towards homosexuality. Though religions often take a strong disposition against homosexuality, actual "homophobia" is something different. It connotes some kind of opposition or rebellion against homosexual activity in a more malicious way. The intent and reasoning for religious disposition is very important to factor in.

An Example: Imagine if, let's say, Sammy_G was lonely and fell inlove with a glamorous woman. While he may justify that he really loves her, the feelings are likely to be transient and a product of his lonely lifestyle. Years later, he finds his way in life and falls inlove with another person on a far deeper, personal level and realises the former fascination was not true to him.

We can't blame Sammy for feeling the way he did about the original woman, it's perfectly natural. But it was a false passion and the feelings and perception towards that woman were clouded and immature .

So this is what we're doing here: Differentiating from false passions which have some kind of immature psychological basis, and then true spiritual love - A spiritual connection between 2 people who are created for each other, a superlative relationship intended by God. We're told (and it makes sense) that this connection takes place between a man and a woman. That the beautiful traits from each gender, compliment each other to make a whole.

Homosexual desire does have a structured psychological/biological basis, but it is not true spiritual feelings and could therefore be considered wrong in nature and even dangerous.
 
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No raas you can't..

No I wasn't taking the piss with that PM.

If you really want one ask again.. and i'll think about it.
 
But some people just really really like buttsex. Who are you, or your book, to tell them that is wrong?

Your religions whole patter is about setting people up to fail. So God can laugh his mad wee head off while they burn in hell.

Why did got make buttsex so much fun, if he didn't want people to do it?


It's one thing that you live your own wee delusional life based on this bullshit, but then you start fucking about with other peoples. Denouncing them because of the person they love/pump. Get a fucking grip, have a look at your own life before you start shouting sinner at other people.

Maybe the Tuesday night boozing, the occasional toot of gear etc, is all just you trying to block something out of your mind. You big poofter.
 
raas_2012 said:
I think we need to clarify the religious stance towards homosexuality.
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Only choir boys? ;)

I agree with PTCH, people can have their own beliefs & they can share them with others but they should not impose their views on others. Who are you to tell someone else that your religion or belief is better than theirs?
 
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raas_2012 said:
Homosexual desire does have a structured psychological/biological basis, but it is not true spiritual feelings and could therefore be considered wrong in nature and even dangerous.
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Christianity is in many ways out-dated including much of it's views. Pope takes an interesting stance:

Pope Francis said:
"If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn't be marginalized. The tendency (to homosexuality) is not the problem ... they're our brothers."
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Note, he says that the desire itself is not "wrong in nature" or "dangerous" as you put it, it's "not the problem." Just the butt sex part as PTCH so eloquently put it.

P.S. - I'm a Christian, I was baptised, but I have an open mind. I accept there is something greater than us, something going on that we could not possibly understand at this point in time but I don't necessarily believe in God as such. I'm more spiritual than religious really.
 
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Same... 5 years of waking up at 5:20am to get there for 6. used to be shit, deffo not an early morning person
 
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