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How can we get this place active again?

Ahhh right yeah I get ya all now. Like I said, I missed all that, except for my dealer driving round in his Micra going 'anyone want any M-Cat?' and me thinking 'wtf is that no'. So I guess the decline sort of pushed away the non drug geeks. Legal RC scene is, honestly, pretty boring I have to admit. I like my EPH, LSZ, 5-MeO-DALT and benzos but when I go looking for other interesting stuff it's just like...eh.

See there's a couple more bans coming up too. Or at least AMT? And one of the APBs. I think. Think we'll just always be like this tbh, with the odd newbie dropping in from other forums, which is what I did, and what a lot of us seemingly did too.
 
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You never know. There may be a new craze around the corner. Or a drought of one particular drug or another might bring noobs in their droves, only for most of them to leave when they manage to source / fail at sourcing, as happened with the heroin thread. Though EADD gained some really good long-term posters through that.
 
Aye I've seen at least one site selling off 5-EAPB 'pre-ban'. Sure I heard summat about AMT but I might be wrong so take that with a pinch of salt. Think suspicion was due to a few people stopping selling it but heard of people stocking up too.

Oh, drug gossip.

edit: yeah AMT seems fine, I'm getting my wires crossed.
 
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Sammy G said:
A few years ago there was the MDMA drought / meph boom. Immediately following that there was the buzz over the new RCs that were launched or came to prominence in the wake of the meph ban. There was also the heroin drought, which swelled the numbers of both lurkers and posters dramatically.

The legal RC scene brought a lot of traffic to BL and EADD, and that scene just isn't what it was. It's bound to have some kind of impact, as people generally don't use the internet to research / discuss street drugs.

People will sign up if there's something of real interest to them. Begging them to post here doesn't create that interest, and at worst it could well drive them away. There's already a 'join the community' link prominently displayed for anyone who's looking.
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I'm not suggesting that we "beg" newbies or make a "welcome thread" which will / may embarrass them. We already have a whole sub-forum for the newbies of BL.

My suggestion, of course I would never tell anyone what to do, it's a suggestion is that we go into NMI, talk to the newbies more----the ones from/living in the EADD areas, or anyone who has any drug interest that may be of particular interest within EADD currently, for example, MXE. And if we see new members here, perhaps drop them a PM "how are you doing?" that sort of thing. I'm sure a PM or the odd "fancy joining us at Gibberings / **** we're discussing **** if you'd like to join us." What's begging or embarrassing about that???

If anyone has any other, sensible ideas then let's here them? But why not at least try my idea? If it doesn't work out then I'll happily hold my hands up and say "I was wrong, it didn't work! What now?"

Of course people will come to EADD if they want to and of course it is up to THEM but if they are unaware of EADD and of what the sub-forum can offer then they're less likely to offer.

Evey
 
Yeah I think people will come to EADD as they wish, or if they find it (I regularly miss it despite scrolling the forums listing several times); I believe there's a newbie adoption...thing where the adopters could direct the adoptees here if it seems they'd suit. Otherwise it really does tend to just be wandering vagrants like myself who find the place and think 'I fit in here better'. A lot of people are here for harm reduction/info and then I guess they're gone.
 
Eveleivibe said:
I'm not suggesting that we "beg" newbies or make a "welcome thread" which will / may embarrass them.
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I'm not saying you are. I'm just offering examples of the kind of 'constructive' measure which can very easily become counterproductive.

Eveleivibe said:
My suggestion, of course I would never tell anyone what to do, it's a suggestion is that we go into NMI, talk to the newbies more----the ones from/living in the EADD areas, or anyone who has any drug interest that may be of particular interest within EADD currently, for example, MXE. And if we see new members here, perhaps drop them a PM "how are you doing?" that sort of thing. I'm sure a PM or the odd "fancy joining us at Gibberings / **** we're discussing **** if you'd like to join us." What's begging or embarrassing about that???
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The PM (to me) is overkill. Very, very, very much so. I'd be extremely wary of that, as would most of the posters I 'know' to some extent, though I guess some people wouldn't.

A mention of EADD in an NMI thread for those who are based in Europe is completely different and not as intrusive, though it happens fairly often anyway, at least to the best of my knowledge. You mustn't forget, however, that only a fraction of Greenlighters actually post in NMI anyhow, let alone European Greenlighters who might get something out of EADD.

If you feel that it's a positive thing to do, then by all means spread your message through NMI. It's not a bad thing.

Just don't be expecting many others to follow suit, which your use of 'we' implies. I just don't think it's very EADD.
 
Sammy G said:
I'm not saying you are. I'm just offering examples of the kind of 'constructive' measure which can very easily become counterproductive.



The PM (to me) is overkill. Very, very, very much so. I'd be extremely wary of that, as would most of the posters I 'know' to some extent, though I guess some people wouldn't.

A mention of EADD in an NMI thread for those who are based in Europe is completely different and not as intrusive, though it happens fairly often anyway, at least to the best of my knowledge. You mustn't forget, however, that only a fraction of Greenlighters actually post in NMI anyhow, let alone European Greenlighters who might get something out of EADD.

If you feel that it's a positive thing to do, then by all means spread your message through NMI. It's not a bad thing.

Just don't be expecting many others to follow suit, which your use of 'we' implies. I just don't think it's very EADD.
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Oh I already DO spread the message through NMI. I've a word document of all the links of the sub-forums so I can paste whichever link is appropriate to whichever newbie. Took a while to do it, but it's far easier than having lots of multiple tabs open. Of course, I don't expect others to follow suit. As I said above, I would not DARE, or wish to, tell others what they should and should not do; was merely making a suggestion, based on a question from the OP; "How to make EADD more active again?"

My saying "we" is not how you interpret it to be. I mean "we" as in we are a team and we can only make EADD more active as a team not just "I," as in any one person. I'm sorry it is seemed to I was implying that all must go to NMI and greet Newbies, t'was only a suggestion and people can do with it as they wish....

Can I ask what you mean by PM being overkill? Do you mean that a newbie may find it intrusive if one or two members of EADD were to PM them asking how they were doing and what not? Maybe you're right. Probably, yes come to think of it, you are right there. Forget I mentioned that idea :)

I'll be happy to hear any ideas you may have, Sammy G?

Evey
 
I mean this in the nicest possible way but as with many forums with long-term members, there is almost like a clique. That's not quite the right way of putting it but the folks who are around the most have a rapport & have in-jokes etc. which might put off some of the newbies. It can be very daunting to some...

We have to be as welcoming to the newbies & passing traffic as we can in the hope they will choose to stick around.
 
Eveleivibe said:
I'll be happy to hear any ideas you may have, Sammy G?
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Ha, you've got me there. I really don't have any to add. :D

Though it must be said (again) that I really don't think that EADD is particularly inactive at this moment in time. The only thing that will draw anyone in is interesting topics of conversation. That and silliness, obviously.

Chatative said:
I mean this in the nicest possible way but as with many forums with long-term members, there is almost like a clique. That's not quite the right way of putting it but the folks who are around the most have a rapport & have in-jokes etc. which might put off some of the newbies. It can be very daunting to some...

We have to be as welcoming to the newbies & passing traffic as we can in the hope they will choose to stick around.
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This place is a lot less 'cliquey' than it has been in the not-too-distant past, that's for sure.

At the same time, don't you think that any community is going to seem a little cliquey to many people who stumble across it? It's pretty inevitable. Any poster who's daunted to the extent they're reluctant to post is probably too sensitive (or whatever) to deal with the forum as it actually is on a day-to-day basis.

I agree that it's a shame if a newbie gets flamed early on (though a handful arguably deserve it), but it doesn't really happen all that often. Hardly ever in fact.
 
Yeah you are right, it's not actually a bad thing... certainly it's good that there is a sense of 'community' here. At the same time, we just need to be sure to be inclusive of people who aren't regulars, that's all I'm really saying.

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I think if we could generate more discussion in some of the threads other than Gibberings, it would help. Either new topical threads (which are good for discussion & bringing people out the woodwork) or other existing threads. i.e. using the <xxxx> thread instead of Gibberings. I think some people post in Gibberings just because it's where everyone is/looks.

Just an idea.
 
In my opinion, I've never seen anyone get "flamed" in BL n quite glad too. I've been flamed n trolled n it's not nice n very damaging - but I've not seen that here - only banter n maybe a bit of arguing/ drama but that soon gets forgotten. That's what I love about EADD. And yes, of course already established groups / communities are going to be cliquey. It doesn't mean we can't at least try.

Yes people may be "too sensitive," it doesn't mean that, in time, people can't learn not to be that way as they adapt to their environment.

As I've already said, I was flamed n trolled to hell hence me being overly-sensitive to things put here for awhile. But I had support off staff n members n I'm learning not to take things so personally. I've not completely got there yet. I still snap n lose my temper but less n less frequently. Anyway I 'm going off-topic.

My point is try not to rule people off as too sensitive thus they shouldn't be chatting. People have had different experiences n there may be reasons for how people act / react to situations.

Evey
 
Eveleivibe said:
Yes people may be "too sensitive," it doesn't mean that, in time, people can't learn not to be that way as they adapt to their environment.

As I've already said, I was flamed n trolled to hell hence me being overly-sensitive to things put here for awhile. But I had support off staff n members n I'm learning not to take things so personally. I've not completely got there yet. I still snap n lose my temper but less n less frequently. Anyway I 'm going off-topic.
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I'm not talking about people being 'oversensitive' in the sense they misinterpret comments or overreact, I'm talking about those who might be put off posting by the fact that EADD can seem very close-knit.

Different issues entirely, and the scenario which you describe is best avoided by newbies perhaps lurking in EADD for a long time before they post. In my eyes it's not up to the staff to help integrate any posters who perhaps have difficulties such as yours, though of course if they choose to do so of their own volition then fair play to them.
 
Chatative said:
All you need do is look at the amount of Mephedrone Megathreads.... I joined just before the 2nd one back in 2009. We're up to 13 now... they drew a lot of people in. I also noticed there was a lot of activity around when MXE was legal.
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They certainly did.

Although according to Shamby, meph turned this forum to shit, or this forum was shit when meph was legal, or words to that effect. dunno if thats the case or not
 
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But sammy I was also one of them put off by it being a close communitty at first as per example i gave earlier in the day when I mentioned having concern over a member n falling out with most of EADD. IF IT WASN't for knock explaining how things are here I'd have been one of those who left. I didn't leave n now I have a lot of friends here n love EADD.

I'n not saying it's up to staff to help integrate posters. I just so happened to be friends with some staff members - and they helped me as FRIENDS, not as staff. I was suggesting that we, as members, help integrate newbies.

I wouldn't EVEN DARE try n tell a staff member what to do or how to do their job. That would be extremely disrespectful n ignorant of me if I even thought of doing that.

My comments were simply responses to question from the OP, as already mentioned.

Where is GoS anyway? Hope he's ok.

Evey xxxx
 
I guess as it drew a certain type of people & their attitudes to BL. Being as it's what brought me here, I can't really be that objective. :D

To be honest, there were a lot of great people here from early in the Meph debacle.

In my opinion, as it died down, MXE provided a sort of 'golden era' in terms of RCs & level of activity/atmosphere.

Older members may have differing opinions though...
 
Eveleivibe said:
But sammy I was also one of them put off by it being a close communitty at first as per example i gave earlier in the day when I mentioned having concern over a member n falling out with most of EADD. IF IT WASN't for knock explaining how things are here I'd have been one of those who left. I didn't leave n now I have a lot of friends here n love EADD.
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But you certainly weren't put off posting in the first instance, were you? That was the kind of 'oversensitivity' I had in mind.

I don't think it was the fact EADD is a close community that put you off. Rather it was the responses to some of your posts. It's a completely different issue.
 
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